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legendary
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Never selling

Convoluted contracts. What are you talking about? blockfi? that is not optimal, sure, I would never give Zack my btc.
However, selling covered calls is a very well known financial technique that involves NO lending and, frankly, is VASTLY advantageous to the outright selling since you are not selling anything at ALL, UNLESS the price is above whatever the value is, chosen by yourself and nobody else. Covered calls assume that you write them against whatever bitcoin you sent to the broker, they are not "naked", therefore "were not able to adequately cover" is not possible and just shows that you need to research this topic more.

Of course it s not better than hodling, but it is superior to repetitive selling up or down, skimming small amounts (or not small, whatever) that you advocate.
Selling covered calls is actually a perfect trade for mined coins since you can lock in value without a sale or assuming a sale at MUCH higher levels if you chose to do it.
If you are lucky, then you retain your btc and if not, you still sold btc at a higher to much higher price (depending on your chosen price for the contract: 75, 100, 200K).
Hoverver, if btc is not sold in the end, you generate income and not cap. gains-maybe it matters for some.

Spot on.

JJG, this one seems to be beyond your ability of understanding or comfort level. Just stick to selling your stack as the price goes up. I and others wish to maintain our current stack or increase it.
legendary
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Cлaвa Укpaїнi!
Is laser eyes cool
I can not decide on that
Time will have to tell

legendary
Activity: 2050
Merit: 1184
Never selling
These people who sell are always a step ahead. After 8 years of hodling I was ready to sell my first small amount BTC (not the one I bought Oct 2020) at $59444. And they knew many people will sell at 59k ish so they started the sell off at 57k  Roll Eyes Now I will rethink if I sell below $99k  Cool

How about don't sell at all. At these price levels, there are ways to make an income of 10s of thousands USD a month on your exsisting stash without selling. This applies to stashes under 10 BTC too. Life is good at these levels.

Fuck third-party custody, if you are considering or enticed by anything that involves that.

There are some concepts in bitcoin.. the real deal bitcoin, that incentives are built in, so bitcoin is already designed to increase in value.. .what the fuck more do you need, you greedy fucks (#nohomo) who may well be seriously considering placing your coins with some stupid-ass service trying to claim legitimacy and enticing you with supposed "passive income" .. blah blah blah..

Did I say, "fuck that?"  Don't be fucking trying to short-cut your BTC accumulation goals by thinking that you can "make money" using convoluted (surprise terms) contracts when if you accumulate adequately, then you will have way more options just living off the likely ongoing BTC price appreciation that has no real signs of stopping, even though it it is likely to continue to have up and down cycles along the way.. and you can take advantage of that in your long term planning and your refusal to take stupid-ass shortcuts that may well end up screwing you out of your coins by hook or by crook or just by bad luck (such as great price moves that liquidate you out of your supposed collateral that you were not able to adequately cover because you were to fucking busy gambling out of greed).

You will thank me later, even if you might not be able to measure what you are thanking me for, exactly...  Wink

The thing you fail to grasp is that by selling covered call options to fund my lifestyle and purchases I will not be reducing my stack, In fact it will even help me accumulate more then I could before. What's more, I don't have to risk keeping my BTC on the exchange to still have it fully cover my calls. I can use margin so that those coins are kept in my own wallet (not the exchange). A little diversification is not a bad thing, especially when you don't have to sell BTC from your stack to do it.

I think the trouble some of you have with this may be a lack of understanding/experience with derivatives in general. I can get almost 10% per month with covered calls, and my counter-party exchange risk is reduced by using margin. Yes its slightly risky, yes you might miss out on some capital gains, but in the long term it will do pretty fucking well. I’ve done covered calls among other options strategies for years in the legacy markets and I can tell you right now these premiums are amazing in comparision.

Thank you? your kidding right? If I had listened to you my stack would have been reduced substantially with your constant insistence of selling BTC on the way up. Now that's a stupid strategy. I can assure you my stack will be much larger at 200k then it is now. The only people to thank around here are the ones that tell you to never sell any of your BTC, unless there is an emergency.
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 4597
These people who sell are always a step ahead. After 8 years of hodling I was ready to sell my first small amount BTC (not the one I bought Oct 2020) at $59444. And they knew many people will sell at 59k ish so they started the sell off at 57k  Roll Eyes Now I will rethink if I sell below $99k  Cool

How about don't sell at all. At these price levels, there are ways to make an income of 10s of thousands USD a month on your exsisting stash without selling. This applies to stashes under 10 BTC too. Life is good at these levels.

Fuck third-party custody, if you are considering or enticed by anything that involves that.

There are some concepts in bitcoin.. the real deal bitcoin, that incentives are built in, so bitcoin is already designed to increase in value.. .what the fuck more do you need, you greedy fucks (#nohomo) who may well be seriously considering placing your coins with some stupid-ass service trying to claim legitimacy and enticing you with supposed "passive income" .. blah blah blah..

Did I say, "fuck that?"  Don't be fucking trying to short-cut your BTC accumulation goals by thinking that you can "make money" using convoluted (surprise terms) contracts when if you accumulate adequately, then you will have way more options just living off the likely ongoing BTC price appreciation that has no real signs of stopping, even though it it is likely to continue to have up and down cycles along the way.. and you can take advantage of that in your long term planning and your refusal to take stupid-ass shortcuts that may well end up screwing you out of your coins by hook or by crook or just by bad luck (such as great price moves that liquidate you out of your supposed collateral that you were not able to adequately cover because you were to fucking busy gambling out of greed).

You will thank me later, even if you might not be able to measure what you are thanking me for, exactly...  Wink

Convoluted contracts. What are you talking about? blockfi? that is not optimal, sure, I would never give Zack my btc.
However, selling covered calls is a very well known financial technique that involves NO lending and, frankly, is VASTLY advantageous to the outright selling since you are not selling anything at ALL, UNLESS the price is above whatever the value is, chosen by yourself and nobody else. Covered calls assume that you write them against whatever bitcoin you sent to the broker, they are not "naked", therefore "were not able to adequately cover" is not possible and just shows that you need to research this topic more.

Of course it s not better than hodling, but it is superior to repetitive selling up or down, skimming small amounts (or not small, whatever) that you advocate.
Selling covered calls is actually a perfect trade for mined coins since you can lock in value without a sale or assuming a sale at MUCH higher levels if you chose to do it.
If you are lucky, then you retain your btc and if not, you still sold btc at a higher to much higher price (depending on your chosen price for the contract: 75, 100, 200K).
However, if btc is not sold in the end, you generate income and not cap. gains-maybe it matters for some.

Psychologically, you should consider bitcoin on which you wrote covered calls as pre-sold right now for the price attained at some moment in the future. The person on the other of the trade gives you cash right now for the RIGHT to buy btc at that future date at the price that YOU chose (be it 75, 100 or 200K). Yea, tough luck if btc is at 300K and the guy would approx 30X his money and you only get 200K/btc+whatever premium is currently there. Your counterparty would made bank, but so what, you still get your 200K, keep the premium and did not dilly-dally with "little" buys/sells at 56K.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 2617
Far, Far, Far Right Thug
These people who sell are always a step ahead. After 8 years of hodling I was ready to sell my first small amount BTC (not the one I bought Oct 2020) at $59444. And they knew many people will sell at 59k ish so they started the sell off at 57k  Roll Eyes Now I will rethink if I sell below $99k  Cool

How about don't sell at all. At these price levels, there are ways to make an income of 10s of thousands USD a month on your exsisting stash without selling. This applies to stashes under 10 BTC too. Life is good at these levels.

Fuck third-party custody, if you are considering or enticed by anything that involves that.

There are some concepts in bitcoin.. the real deal bitcoin, that incentives are built in, so bitcoin is already designed to increase in value.. .what the fuck more do you need, you greedy fucks (#nohomo) who may well be seriously considering placing your coins with some stupid-ass service trying to claim legitimacy and enticing you with supposed "passive income" .. blah blah blah..

Did I say, "fuck that?"  Don't be fucking trying to short-cut your BTC accumulation goals by thinking that you can "make money" using convoluted (surprise terms) contracts when if you accumulate adequately, then you will have way more options just living off the likely ongoing BTC price appreciation that has no real signs of stopping, even though it it is likely to continue to have up and down cycles along the way.. and you can take advantage of that in your long term planning and your refusal to take stupid-ass shortcuts that may well end up screwing you out of your coins by hook or by crook or just by bad luck (such as great price moves that liquidate you out of your supposed collateral that you were not able to adequately cover because you were to fucking busy gambling out of greed).

You will thank me later, even if you might not be able to measure what you are thanking me for, exactly...  Wink

Was a bit surprised to see the enthusiastic reactions / merits to the "ways of making money from your BTC" posts myself. It all sounded ridiculously dangerous. And of course too good to be true.
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 11416
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
These people who sell are always a step ahead. After 8 years of hodling I was ready to sell my first small amount BTC (not the one I bought Oct 2020) at $59444. And they knew many people will sell at 59k ish so they started the sell off at 57k  Roll Eyes Now I will rethink if I sell below $99k  Cool

How about don't sell at all. At these price levels, there are ways to make an income of 10s of thousands USD a month on your exsisting stash without selling. This applies to stashes under 10 BTC too. Life is good at these levels.

Fuck third-party custody, if you are considering or enticed by anything that involves that.

There are some concepts in bitcoin.. the real deal bitcoin, that incentives are built in, so bitcoin is already designed to increase in value.. .what the fuck more do you need, you greedy fucks (#nohomo) who may well be seriously considering placing your coins with some stupid-ass service trying to claim legitimacy and enticing you with supposed "passive income" .. blah blah blah..

Did I say, "fuck that?"  Don't be fucking trying to short-cut your BTC accumulation goals by thinking that you can "make money" using convoluted (surprise terms) contracts when if you accumulate adequately, then you will have way more options just living off the likely ongoing BTC price appreciation that has no real signs of stopping, even though it it is likely to continue to have up and down cycles along the way.. and you can take advantage of that in your long term planning and your refusal to take stupid-ass shortcuts that may well end up screwing you out of your coins by hook or by crook or just by bad luck (such as great price moves that liquidate you out of your supposed collateral that you were not able to adequately cover because you were to fucking busy gambling out of greed).

You will thank me later, even if you might not be able to measure what you are thanking me for, exactly...  Wink
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 11416
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I can see gold becoming a useful cheap metal for making 100-200 year long batteries for Tesla's electric cars.

ford is going electric for a reason.  they all know those asteroids are loaded with insane amounts of gold.

Gold makes super long lasting batteries if it were to be worth 100 x less or 17 a pound vs 1700 a pound  we would have multi generational batteries.

Sell your gold and buy btc

Ford is switching to all electric 2030 for a reason they know Elon will be mining those asteroids bigly.

We are heading into a new world of cheap long lasting power.

BTC is the tool that will allow it to happen.

hodl hodl hodl.

500k before 2030

 We wont be driving cars in 100 years; we'll be teleporting... to Mars.
  

WE is a tad optimistic (although I wouldn't mind, really).

 We will be able to afford the latest in life-extension technology.

 Yes JJG, I've used the royal 'WE'

Just for mentioning me, you deserve a batslap.

Stop living in a fantasy, Homer.

The most you are going to get, perhaps, might be a few more months or maybe a year at best.

Snap out of it.




#nohomo


Even now, I'm still figuring out how to chill out further.

Some of us (royal us, of course) have noticed...


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

DROP.

Oh gawd...

lot of hopium in dat one.
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 2349
Eadem mutata resurgo
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 2349
Eadem mutata resurgo
This is not yet another cycle, this is the End of Cycles

The one where after BTC flippens gold it doesn't flip back

The one where web3 supercedes web2

Where culture is collected and accrued digitally instead of physically

Where life is lived mindfully rather than mindlessly

https://twitter.com/zhusu/status/1363035740507017216

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At first it sounded bearish to me, until I unerstood what is meant. Since its creation Bitcoin went through several severe bear periods between the halvings. But what if the mass adoption has increased so much  that no such bear periods of 80%+ crashes from tha last ATH are possible? We see the first sign for that - unlike any other period of 12 months, there was only one 30% correction and two 20% corrections. What if this is a sign that such long periods of lack of interest from the big investors  are no longer possible? The implications on any sell strategy involving considerations of the previous cycles will be hugely negative. I mean if someone is selling with the hope of buying 80% cheaper, this may turn to be a total disaster with some 30-40% dips occurring here and there. Not only that, but this will make any unnecessary major sell from our stash to be a big mistake. This tweet predicts more than a supercycle, rather an infitite bull market. Well, this may look unrealistic now, but certainly the probability for that is not 0 as some may think based on previous experience. And sometimes the past experience may be misleading.

I don't buy it, but hey whatever... there is a chance for anything to happen..

My overall thinkenings continue to be that bitcoin no doesn't work like dat... and I am not even trying to be stubbornly caught up in the already existing models, but there still seems to be more evidence to the currently credible three existing models rather than proposing some new model that may or may not end up playing out.

... at some point we will reach the end of cycles, unlikely to be this one but if it is it will be a mega rollercoaster pump to $800k+ then plateau and consolidation with bear market correction of no more than 30%, followed by years of continuous stable growth

... a steep S-curve adoption (hyperbitcoinisation) is still not off the table either but that would likely mean a catastrophic implosion of fiat system and total financial chaos with much economic destruction, better if this played out over a decade or two instead

... the mining of new coins (new supply) is still a material fraction of the total inflow and increases with increasing fiat price, but eventually (soon?) it will become insignificant as inflows outstrip new supply even as the price is increasing ... at which point the halving cycles will only be an echo

... already consuming ~0.5% of global energy production and increasing, it's likely that bitcoin may also run into material energy limits that the market is willing to afford for securing our bitcoin monetary system, or it may incentivise energy production globally in out-of-the-way places and new energy technologies, in the same way it now incentivises chip innovation and manufacturing
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 13647
BTC + Crossfit, living life.
https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/1363630231240790018?s=21
^
Awesome GIF<——-

Made me laugh just before entering HODLsleep
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 13647
BTC + Crossfit, living life.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 2617
Far, Far, Far Right Thug


This really says it all. Don‘t know who did this. But it‘s brilliant.

https://twitter.com/jilnik/status/1363420139077705732?s=21

That's great. Does explain BTC very quickly.

Watched "Sour Grapes" recently on Netflix about fake wine. BTC seems safer.
legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 7912
https://twitter.com/zined87150109/status/1363446185202188300?s=21

Another Sunday,
Thinking before HODLsleep...
Dude wants laser eyes.


 Cool Grin

  Is this what you had in mind?



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legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 7912
Cool hat stuff....


Hey man, can you make me a Fred Flintstone hat? After listening to that Bloomberg bit I'm yelling YABBA DABBA DOO!!! at every ATH......

 

legendary
Activity: 1235
Merit: 1202
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 13647
BTC + Crossfit, living life.
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 13647
BTC + Crossfit, living life.
https://twitter.com/zined87150109/status/1363446185202188300?s=21

Another Sunday,
Thinking before HODLsleep...
Dude  wants laser eyes.


 Cool Grin
legendary
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legendary
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Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist
If you have at least double the btc you need to attain your objective, why not earn 4.5% on your btc with half, or even 1/10th?

Because I'd rather not wake up to find half my stash has been goxxed?

Fucking A.  Not enough people remember Bitcoin Savings & Trust.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Savings_%26_Trust
legendary
Activity: 2097
Merit: 1070
@MMCrypto
1 #BITCOIN  IS NOW WORTH MORE THAN 1 KG GOLD!
https://twitter.com/mmcrypto/status/1363467875692994560?s=21



Not if you include the completely ridiculous premium on gold rn.

And good luck even finding a kilo of gold in stock, anywhere.

I think it's perfectly fine to buy gold certificates with btc. Gold certificates are "as good as gold", amirite?
/s

Let's buy gold certificates with btc certificates. They send us paper gold, we send them a pretty email - a pdf file, even! - stating they own the btc. Of course, we keep the keys until we touch the yellow stuff. It's only fair.  Tongue

Sounds fair to me!
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