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legendary
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Anyone else thinks this is a fake relief rally? I’m
About to make the decision I talked here before to sell 10% of my Bitcoin at certain stages. 69k was the first stage to sell 1%. But I’m ok with 67k right now. I have the feeling we will dump further and stabilize until few months after halving. Would be nice to have some powder to buy back deeper. As I am 100% into bitcoin and have nothing else on the side lol

Yes, but you can take my opinion with a dose of salt as I've been sceptical about this rally since $48K  Tongue

According to Pi Cycle Top, as discussed elsewhere, $70K is either the mid-cycle top (like in 2019, 2016 and 2012), prior to a correction and consolidation, or this is the late-stage top, ie start of full blown bull market, like in 2020, 2017 and 2013. Based on time, I see this as a mid-stage not a late-stage top, especially given this indicator has "factored in" a new ATH being at this mid-stage top, and has previously been the most accurate at identifying these types of tops. This would otherwise be the first time there has been no "mid-stage correction" in Bitcoin's history, so while possible, the argument is that "this time it's different" - which is a fair argument given the introduction of ETFs and new ATH already. But only time will tell whether this is actually true or not, with the recent break of ATH not being enough to justify that speculative opinion as of yet.

More than anything I think ETFs are following the price, not leading it. There has been net inflows on the way up and net outflows on the way down generally speaking, even if they are helping to drive the price in both directions. All it will take is for GBTC to offload the rest of their coins, which may only take a couple of months from here, but until then and seeing net outflows, there remains selling pressure.

Based on price alone, either $69K breaks to the upside and price rallies further, or otherwise $60K breaks to the downside, leaving a pretty sizeable volume gap down to $52K at best, but more realistically $42K to $44K (which would still be a macro higher low). Also within a couple of months the 50 Week MA will be around these prices too, so bullish continuation could start from there quite easily. Based on 200 WMA projection, it should be around $37K by August (that was also a consolidation level) and would be a full -50% haircut, which is about as low as I see price going for now, if the correction lasted 4 months.

I'm otherwise overlooking the shorter-term TA on 4hr, as while price is currently confirming resistance around $68K (bearish trending 50 MA and ichimoku cloud at volume point of control), this could all still be broken with ease after another re-test of the 200 MA that previously supported the price perfectly (as expected in strong uptrends) and is currently around $62K. Too early to tell comes to mind here.


...but what do you REALLY think? Surely, it could go up or down, as always.
What's the probabilities, as @JJG likes to post from time to time?
If bitcoin is 37K by August, all ETF holders will be out of it and ETF "project" crashes and burns.
ETF investors are not accustomed to more than 50% haircuts in a few months.
They will be out and stay out.
legendary
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Anyone else thinks this is a fake relief rally? I’m
About to make the decision I talked here before to sell 10% of my Bitcoin at certain stages. 69k was the first stage to sell 1%. But I’m ok with 67k right now. I have the feeling we will dump further and stabilize until few months after halving. Would be nice to have some powder to buy back deeper. As I am 100% into bitcoin and have nothing else on the side lol

Yes, but you can take my opinion with a dose of salt as I've been sceptical about this rally since $48K  Tongue

According to Pi Cycle Top, as discussed elsewhere, $70K is either the mid-cycle top (like in 2019, 2016 and 2012), prior to a correction and consolidation, or this is the late-stage top, ie start of full blown bull market, like in 2020, 2017 and 2013. Based on time, I see this as a mid-stage not a late-stage top, especially given this indicator has "factored in" a new ATH being at this mid-stage top, and has previously been the most accurate at identifying these types of tops. This would otherwise be the first time there has been no "mid-stage correction" in Bitcoin's history, so while possible, the argument is that "this time it's different" - which is a fair argument given the introduction of ETFs and new ATH already. But only time will tell whether this is actually true or not, with the recent break of ATH not being enough to justify that speculative opinion as of yet.

More than anything I think ETFs are following the price, not leading it. There has been net inflows on the way up and net outflows on the way down generally speaking, even if they are helping to drive the price in both directions. All it will take is for GBTC to offload the rest of their coins, which may only take a couple of months from here, but until then and seeing net outflows, there remains selling pressure.

Based on price alone, either $69K breaks to the upside and price rallies further, or otherwise $60K breaks to the downside, leaving a pretty sizeable volume gap down to $52K at best, but more realistically $42K to $44K (which would still be a macro higher low). Also within a couple of months the 50 Week MA will be around these prices too, so bullish continuation could start from there quite easily. Based on 200 WMA projection, it should be around $37K by August (that was also a consolidation level) and would be a full -50% haircut, which is about as low as I see price going for now, if the correction lasted 4 months.

I'm otherwise overlooking the shorter-term TA on 4hr, as while price is currently confirming resistance around $68K (bearish trending 50 MA and ichimoku cloud at volume point of control), this could all still be broken with ease after another re-test of the 200 MA that previously supported the price perfectly (as expected in strong uptrends) and is currently around $62K. Too early to tell comes to mind here.

Thanks! Since I have no clue about trading and reading charts, this is helpful. What I have a clue about (or experience in) are the fake rallies after some “good news” whales use to create fomo. And that Jerome Powell news from yesterday was the perfect reason for whales to create another fake pump just do dump very hard later. They did this so many times that I’m so sick of this strategy. But of course there is always the chance that “this time it’s different”. Well I missed to sell at 67-68k. Now I won’t sell at 65-66k. Either I wait for another small pump or I take my coins off Binance and go into hodl mode again.
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The point is Saylor strategy about Bitcoin is working.
His strategy about bitcoin is working because he is a strong believer in investing in assets with scarcity and high demand. Bitcoin stands out as one of such assets due to its capped supply of 21 million coins, making it highly scarce. Saylor has already predicted the continued growth, projecting a 200% annual increase over the next decade and he is putting his money where his mouth is.
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JP Morgan has concern about the way MSTR is buying Bitcoin but Saylor is very loud and clear about his bitcoin buying strategy:

  • It's the best investment asset. So the endgame is to acquire more Bitcoin
  • Whoever gets the most Bitcoin wins. There is no other endgame


eh..not exactly...BUY bitcoin for cash, don't buy it on a 2.2X perpetual margin.
Margin literally kills accounts.
I agree with @JJG...there is something odd with the guy rn...like, why you want to buy 500mil a week after you bought 800 mil worth.

Between Mar 11 to 18, 2014 Microstrategy has bought 9200 bitcoin for 620 million USD and with that purchase they now have 1% of all bitcoins. 600 Million USD capital was raised via a private offering of 0.875% convertible senior notes due in 2031.  Microstrategy now have 214,246 bitcoins with average price of $35,160 - still very much in profit [1].

Look at stock price of Microstrategy for last one month. It has gone up from 687 USD to 1690 USD in less then a month. A straight gain of 1000 USD.  

The point is Saylor strategy about Bitcoin is working.


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[1] https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/michael-saylors-microstrategy-9245-btc-620-million
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At least $1 trillion USD will enter #Bitcoin  through the ETFs.

This is a reasonable estimation that will occur over time.

The Bitcoin ETFs are still not priced in.

Let's say it enters in $100 billion increments.

And after each $100 billion, the price will need to adjust accordingly to sellers and new supply,

Let's assume it stabilizes at a price of $80k after this first 100b increment,

Starting Price: $80k
After 1st Increment: $119k
After 2nd Increment: $154k
After 3rd Increment: $191k
After 4th Increment: $228k
After 5th Increment: $265k
After 6th Increment: $302k
After 7th Increment: $339k
After 8th Increment: $376k
After 9th Increment: $413k
After 10th Increment: $450k

This is only through ETFs, not counting market dynamics, just a simple thought experiment of the potential of a single 1T entering the ETFs, which is extremely conservative.
https://x.com/mdbitcoin/status/1770751958548156688
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Are we back? Cool

$68K in one hour
We are definitely back and this time is with enough energy that can possibly put us far above the previous ATH.

As usual, there will be minor turbulence if the below holds water:


Source: https://coinmarketcap.com/community/post/334841115

It may be a stupid question, but considering what happened with the liquidation of long positions and futures options a few days ago (about $1.5 billion), what impact will the liquidation of almost $10 billion have on the price? Can we assume that another correction is inevitable, especially if ETFs inflows are at the levels we have had in the last few days?
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Anyone else thinks this is a fake relief rally? I’m
About to make the decision I talked here before to sell 10% of my Bitcoin at certain stages. 69k was the first stage to sell 1%. But I’m ok with 67k right now. I have the feeling we will dump further and stabilize until few months after halving. Would be nice to have some powder to buy back deeper. As I am 100% into bitcoin and have nothing else on the side lol

Yes, but you can take my opinion with a dose of salt as I've been sceptical about this rally since $48K  Tongue

According to Pi Cycle Top, as discussed elsewhere, $70K is either the mid-cycle top (like in 2019, 2016 and 2012), prior to a correction and consolidation, or this is the late-stage top, ie start of full blown bull market, like in 2020, 2017 and 2013. Based on time, I see this as a mid-stage not a late-stage top, especially given this indicator has "factored in" a new ATH being at this mid-stage top, and has previously been the most accurate at identifying these types of tops. This would otherwise be the first time there has been no "mid-stage correction" in Bitcoin's history, so while possible, the argument is that "this time it's different" - which is a fair argument given the introduction of ETFs and new ATH already. But only time will tell whether this is actually true or not, with the recent break of ATH not being enough to justify that speculative opinion as of yet.

More than anything I think ETFs are following the price, not leading it. There has been net inflows on the way up and net outflows on the way down generally speaking, even if they are helping to drive the price in both directions. All it will take is for GBTC to offload the rest of their coins, which may only take a couple of months from here, but until then and seeing net outflows, there remains selling pressure.

Based on price alone, either $69K breaks to the upside and price rallies further, or otherwise $60K breaks to the downside, leaving a pretty sizeable volume gap down to $52K at best, but more realistically $42K to $44K (which would still be a macro higher low). Also within a couple of months the 50 Week MA will be around these prices too, so bullish continuation could start from there quite easily. Based on 200 WMA projection, it should be around $37K by August (that was also a consolidation level) and would be a full -50% haircut, which is about as low as I see price going for now, if the correction lasted 4 months.

I'm otherwise overlooking the shorter-term TA on 4hr, as while price is currently confirming resistance around $68K (bearish trending 50 MA and ichimoku cloud at volume point of control), this could all still be broken with ease after another re-test of the 200 MA that previously supported the price perfectly (as expected in strong uptrends) and is currently around $62K. Too early to tell comes to mind here.
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The ETFs in and out flows appear to be controlling the price quite a bit at the moment from what I can see. We are dipping again, now that GBTC has sold another 3000 BTC via Coinbase.


The rest of the ETFs would be pleased to wait until Sellbert drops his coins for them to buy at a cheaper price.
IF ETFs are dominating the price right now, regardless the outflow of GS, the volume would be sucked up to about re-establish the pre-GBTC-sell price shortly later on. I am thinking in ETF net flow, makes more sense, imo.
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Quite impressive to have a huge green candle yesterday.

The ETF inflows is close to zero and the outflows (GBTC) is high.
Shows the stupidity of people I guess, when prices were soaring, people were buying ETFs like crazy. Now, a week later when BTC is cheaper, they are nowhere to be seen..




FOMO

I spent all my money already, but at half these prices :p
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Jelle
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In the past 9 years, BTC has generated the bulk of its returns in overbought conditions.

A high RSI isn't bearish. In fact, it's bullish.

Send it higher.

https://x.com/cryptojellenl/status/1770811907210895785

legendary
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Anyone else thinks this is a fake relief rally? I’m
About to make the decision I talked here before to sell 10% of my Bitcoin at certain stages. 69k was the first stage to sell 1%. But I’m ok with 67k right now. I have the feeling we will dump further and stabilize until few months after halving. Would be nice to have some powder to buy back deeper. As I am 100% into bitcoin and have nothing else on the side lol

Who knows...

The ETFs in and out flows appear to be controlling the price quite a bit at the moment from what I can see. We are dipping again, now that GBTC has sold another 3000 BTC via Coinbase.

I am totally not obsessed with GrayScale, regardless of what some people may think. I've even explained in one post that I think it's just another single hump in the road like SO MANY distractions we are constantly faced with, when speculating about the price and the reason for its movements.

But absolutely, I think when GrayScale outflow stops (which will happen soon) and the halving has happened, I think the sky is the limit to BTC's price in fiat currencies.
We will definitely see a 100K+ BTC in 2024 and latest in 2025 I would have thought.

The time frame will always be the uncertainty.

Now that self custody is no longer a concern for perhaps many potential BTC buyers in the future, who may have been apprehensive in the past, certainly for institutions, with the multiple ETFs existing, I wouldn't be too sure about revisiting sub 50K BTC prices ever again.

The Fed talked about 3 rate cuts + political changes with the US / UK elections in the autumn could bring more bullish price action, or not. etc.
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Anyone else thinks this is a fake relief rally? I’m
About to make the decision I talked here before to sell 10% of my Bitcoin at certain stages. 69k was the first stage to sell 1%. But I’m ok with 67k right now. I have the feeling we will dump further and stabilize until few months after halving. Would be nice to have some powder to buy back deeper. As I am 100% into bitcoin and have nothing else on the side lol
legendary
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Quite impressive to have a huge green candle yesterday.

The ETF inflows is close to zero and the outflows (GBTC) is high.
Shows the stupidity of people I guess, when prices were soaring, people were buying ETFs like crazy. Now, a week later when BTC is cheaper, they are nowhere to be seen..




Wasn't expecting that, would of thought inflows were positive based on the buying pressure. 3.8K Bitcoin is a fair amount of corn to scoop up from ETFs. Reclaiming $69K will likely bring back the ETF volume imo though, this would help to nullify the fake-out ATH scenario with a bullish weekly wick. Either that or $68K get's confirmed as a resistance level for the time being. This is otherwise the first real test of short-term resistance since $40K levels based on cloud, MAs and volume, so I can understand with the hesitancy from ETF investors on this one, given they quite clearly aren't in the market to buy dips.
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The BTC ETFs are still not priced in.
https://x.com/adam3us/status/1770714302833365246


Adam Back
@adam3us
Consider:

- bankruptcies run out of GBTC in not many days now.

- then we feel $500-$1bil/day ETF buy walls.

- when there's buy side net flow OTC flow to spot

 - ETF sales channels are just warming up. Many not yet setup with training, approvals.

- exchange balances falling
https://x.com/adam3us/status/1770776420299542603


Adam Back
@adam3us
People who sold sub $100k to @saylor and ETF inflow should just delete their exchange sell limit orders, better yet get off exchange and cold store.
https://x.com/adam3us/status/1770777070152437878


It makes sense.

This latest price drop involves a lot of manipulation to transfer bitcoins from the hands of sardines to the hands of whales...

Are there months of waiting to sell at 60k? It doesn't make sense... it's like being a virgin, saving money for months, hiring a luxury prostitute and ejaculating in 30 seconds.  Roll Eyes
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