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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

You are here, so you are very lucky (as are we).

You just need to shift your mindset to a minimum of five years.
I am in that kind of mindset already but my strategy is to cashout 5% from the total profits for every quarter,seems like a weird strategy?

But until now I am doing good and also will invest more when have the money.

You’d be stupid to sell anything at all until 6-12 months after the halving which is still 8-9 months away.

https://www.bitcoinblockhalf.com/
Maybe you think that is stupidity but I call it as don't be too greedy. Grin

Anyway I got your point might be need some strategical time regarding the halving period.


I generally agree with LFC, but I do wonder about the range of 6-12 months after the halvening.

A person would be less stupid if at least waiting until 6 months after the halvening, but even less than that if waiting until 12 months after the halvening?

I am thinking that LFC is saying that the larger of the exponential price periods of bitcoin's growth is likely to come somewhat after the halvening, because there tends to be a bit of a denial of the actual effect of the shrinking of the supply of the new bitcoins coming out of the printing presses of the miners.  Anyhow, that peak is not exactly known, but we are going to have better chances of experiencing such peak within the 6-12 month window period than anytime before that.

Even though I agree quite a bit with LFC's hypothesis, I do have some trouble with attempting to bank too much on any such  fractal comparisons, which is largely an attempt to compare what had happened in the last two post halvening exponential growth periods and to extrapolate what is likely to happen in this post halvening period.  Even though I believe that there is a quite a bit of actual physical and material pressures on BTC.. which is upwards pressures on price due to actual restriction of BTC supply, I still have some difficulties putting too many of my eggs in such a basket, so in that regard, I do get some sense that if there is kind of outrageous exponential price rise that comes before that 6-12 month post-halvening period, then that outrageous exponential price rise could (but not necessarily will) take away some of the fuel on the actual restriction of the supply period, because in that case, if BTC's price rise had been front run in such an outrageous way, then there would not likely be enough steam to fuel another exponential price rise that happens in the 6-12 month post-halvening period that comes from actual fundamentals regarding the actual lessening of the new BTC supply.
It likely more than 18 months ahead to make the highest reap compared to the current price but even after that prices going to dances and the cycle reaps that is why I am not very much confused about taking very small profits in short term interval.Which help me to collect the some of capital amount which I invested in few years so the remaining only will be the capital gains.

Well, you gotta do whatever seems to work best for you. One of the things that concerns me, sometimes, is if guys sell too much too soon because they expect the price to go down, and if the price does not go down, then they are stuck with a bunch of fiat that really is not going to do them any good.  So, as long as you are prepared for up and you have enough BTC, even if the BTC prices overshoot your expectations to the upside, you still have enough that you are able to sell a little bit at the higher prices to take some profits at those prices rather than these prices, which could be 10x or even 30x higher than currently.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I did not say the protocol could not be changed. I am pointing out Krubster's rather daft implication that the Satoshi-CSW question has anything whatsoever to do with the fact that SegWit is the alteration.
Sir,

I have always respected you. Not for your believes, but for being a gentleman and keeping a civilized tone despite all the (unfair?) bashing you receive.


jbreher deserves every fucking bit of bashing that he receives, and maybe even more bashing than he gets.


You're very intelligent, I give you that. I do however don't agree with you. For me, segwit is bitcoin, anything else is an altcoin.


Whatever.  If jbreher uses his intelligence to deceive people or to to get caught in stupid-ass technical arguments, then that should take away from any point that he might be making.  I would think.

Just because segwit wasn't mentioned in the whitepaper some 10 years ago, doesn't mean it can't be bitcoin.

Things evole. Technology improve. Just as bitcoin has improved. Segwit is a part of that improvement.

Of course, segwit is a part of bitcoin. It was fucking passed by overwhelming consensus in August 2017 and thereafter locked in.  Of course, it is an improvement, too.  NO need to argue.   This ship of this argument sailed a long time ago...
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Are you long or short? What % of capital? What are your take profit and stop loss levels?
I'm long.

If you count the btc/fiat/stocks ratio I'm 99% btc, and have been so since 2016. If you take properties/land into the equation I'm still 80% btc.

I'm debt-free. I have my own house and my own land.

I sell a small portion every month to cover my bills and everyday expenses. The rest stays in btc -- always.

I quit my corporate job in 2016. Because fuck them.

For me there is no take profit level. When the time comes, I won't need fiat.
don't need disclosed personal balance or etc sure you can share personal experience trade type or your memorials history maybe when start so inspired others people.
What's up Negotiation,

I'm not sure what you are asking about, but I will do my best.

I first heard of bitcoin in 2011. I liked the idea and the concept, but I found no easy way to invest so I kind of forgot about the whole thing.

The next year, 2012, bitcoin got a bit of attention in the mainstream media thanks to Silk Road. That raised my attention again and I started to investigate more about it.

At first I found a local market that sold bitcoin. I sent about 500 usd worth of money to this site and made a market buy. However, this site was so illiquid that my market buy moved the market 40%.

After this I started to investigate further about bitcoin and found out about MtGox, the by far biggest market at that time.

I sent a few thousand bucks to MtGox and bought bitcoins for it. At this point I was holding close to 500 btc.

Shortly after this bitcoin began its rapid rise from $10 to $266. I have mentioned this earlier in my posts, but during that bubble I sold 100 btc worth for some physical gold and silver. I dumped another 100 In the Silk Road crash. I also lost/sold a bunch more.

Without going into much details, I've made so many stupid trades.

The first bubble you experience is always the worst.

I have learn from my mistakes. After my first bubble I've been holding like a champ. I did lose a substantional amount in the MtGox debacle though. After that I also learned that - not your keys, not your bitcoins.

In short, hodl.


Did you always hold some BTC and then have to reshuffle around after the MTGOX situation?

Of course in 2013, and thereafter, there became quite a few other ways to acquire BTC, but surely it can be frustrating to lose some BTC too, and I suppose the longer that any of us is in BTC the more likely we would have had made some various mistakes based on keeping on exchanges or other mistakes.

Surely, you have quite a few more balls than me to send money to Japan, and I have my doubts about whether I would have done that, even if I had heard about it in 2011 or 2012.

I have some real fucking difficulties remembering my thinking about bitcoin.  I know that in the period of about August 2013 to November 2013, I was researching into various investments, and I had bitcoin bookmarked in one of my tabs, to get to those tabs later.  I don't recall exactly what my feelings were.  I had heard the name and it was something that I bookmarked to look at later.  I recall that between about August and November, I had made several new investments into various index funds.. just traditional and safe investments, and I was kind of experimenting with adding those new index funds to my portfolio, and then in about mid-November 2013, an acquaintance on the interwebs, mentioned how he had been making so much money on BTC.  He said that he had been buying BTC in order to buy drugs on silk road, and he did not spend them right away, so they just appreciated like fuck, and he really did not  know what he was doing with his investment into BTC, but it had caused him to acquire a decent amount of wealth, and that story caused me to read the stupid ass bookmarked tabs that I had pending for a couple of months.  Weird.. and another weird was when I read the tabs I was like holy fuck, and it did not  take me very long to create a buying strategy, because I was already shopping for something and bitcoin seemed to be a great hedge against my then other traditional investments.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I think, in the spirit of DCA when cashing out, the prudent thing is to stick to a fixed schedule.

If it's every quarter, pick a date and use that all the time.
If it's every month, pick a date and use that all the time.
If it's a particular weekday of the month, use that all the time. Like every third Tuesday of the month. (Some people do not like to withdraw on a Monday, in this case Tuesday works fine.)

Don't try to time the market. The sage old advice is time in the market.

*edit* Out for the night, going to try to watch a movie even as I'm struggling ... Always keep a smile on your face no matter how much you don't have. Smiley

I consider cashing out to be based on somewhat differing principles, as compared with the DCA that is employed for buying and accumulating BTC.

One of the strong rationales that DCA is such a sound procedure for investing long term into any asset, including BTC, is because it can redirect people away from second guessing and just investing.. to create a budget for themselves and then just to take from that budget to buy their asset, in this case BTC, rather than so many fucking people don't act at all, and DCA creates a tool enabling better abilities to direct attention and therefore to act rather than never having enough money because of x, y or z excuses.

The same obstacles are usually NOT present once a person has reached investment goals and has actually followed DCA principles for years and years and years, presumably.   Therefore, it is not necessarily profitable or even necessary to employ the same DCA principles for when the time or circumstances come for the investor to begin to cash out.. which can be a variety of circumstances that also might vary based on reason for getting out or how much profit has been made, including that it could be better to just get the fuck out, all at once. 

Surely if such reasons are because of old age, or if the desire is to diversify into a different asset, then those could be different motives, or to buy a plot of land in Oregon.

Accordingly, depending on the goal, then the cashing out method should be tailored towards best meeting the goal.   

A kind of DCA withdraw could be used in the event that a person is retiring and merely wanting to use the investment as a kind of passive income, yet I think that such structuring would NOT be so common and could be too rigid, even though it sounds good in theory, such method might NOT be practical if there is a target purchase.  Of course, I am not going to argue about a certain amount of incrementalism, but it seems to me that cashing out is way less of a problem than figuring out ways to get in, which is a principle reason for DCA upon getting a stake into an asset, such as bitcoin.

I think that a raking of profits based on price moves makes more sense, but surely, if you have a timeline to withdraw it all  then staggering the sells might work in those kinds of circumstances, and even a combination of approaches might be practical to tailor such sells and maybe even to attempt to make them somewhat more profitable, when possible by creating flexible selling price goals..
legendary
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How could evidence of personal identity have anything whatsoever to do with evidence of protocol change?

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I'm not sure if you're trolling or trying to be serious.

Back at ya.

See any evidence of SegWit in the white paper? No?

Explicitly in front of your face. Willful dereliction of truthiness.

SegWit was indeed an alteration of the Bitcoin protocol. Undeniably. There is really no way to argue otherwise.

I am pretty confident the white paper doesn’t say anything about Turing completeness, legally enforceable smart contracts, token protocols,  large data storage capability and all the other shit in Bitcoin SV marketing

Yet interestingly, all fully supported in the 0.1 version of the Bitcoin protocol.

By golly, sometimes you almost sound like you wrote it (or was involved at an early stage)...since everything afterwards was "crap".
If you did-much respect. Respect even if you did not and just being a bit cranky about later comers like PW re-writing/modifying a "perfect" code.
Does "perfect" code even exist?
legendary
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How could evidence of personal identity have anything whatsoever to do with evidence of protocol change?

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I'm not sure if you're trolling or trying to be serious.

Back at ya.

See any evidence of SegWit in the white paper? No?

Explicitly in front of your face. Willful dereliction of truthiness.

SegWit was indeed an alteration of the Bitcoin protocol. Undeniably. There is really no way to argue otherwise.

I am pretty confident the white paper doesn’t say anything about Turing completeness, legally enforceable smart contracts, token protocols,  large data storage capability and all the other shit in Bitcoin SV marketing

Yet interestingly, all fully supported in the 0.1 version of the Bitcoin protocol. You know, before the Cripple Rangers took control of the codebase. SegWit, on the other hand...

Funny, eh?

So what's the point you are trying to make?
legendary
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I did not say the protocol could not be changed. I am pointing out Krubster's rather daft implication that the Satoshi-CSW question has anything whatsoever to do with the fact that SegWit is the alteration.
Sir,

I have always respected you. Not for your believes, but for being a gentleman and keeping a civilized tone despite all the (unfair?) bashing you receive.

Thank you for that. I respect you as well.

Your insinuation that the Craig-Satoshi conundrum has anything to do with SegWit being an alteration to the Bitcoin protocol, however, remains daft. Granted, it was likely a mere rhetorical talking point. But if so, why stoop to that level of inanity?

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You're very intelligent, I give you that. I do however don't agree with you. For me, segwit is bitcoin, anything else is an altcoin.

Hmm. SegWit _is_ Bitcoin? Like, if one does not employ SegWit, then one is using something other than Bitcoin? That is certainly not the bill of goods we were sold at inception. Nor at the activation of SegWit.

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Just because segwit wasn't mentioned in the whitepaper some 10 years ago, doesn't mean it can't be bitcoin.

Debatable. Though I can acknowledge that such a position has some shred of rationality to it.

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Things evole. Technology improve. Just as bitcoin has improved. Segwit is a part of that improvement.

Again, 'improved' is debatable.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
.. however, part of the problem is then attempting to figure out where I would like to put such extra cashing out value... There will be a bit of a dilemma for me, that it would be better for me to attempt to resolve ahead of time, rather than trying to figure out that channeling of funds issue during another exponential BTC price rise, if that were to come again.   

Help others ... give them both the advice of your more than 30 years experience as well as a little start ... your prodigy just might be the next Warren Buffet.

But that is exactly what JJG does. Be could blooded, not frozen, not boiling and thread lightely so no bull or whale or bear hears your steps... .  Cheesy Some dislike JJG long discours, but mostly he is saying interesting things. And just as everyone of us he also sometimes has a grumpy day... .  Wink Cheesy

I meant something more substantial than just ... more than words ... There are people out there who are less fortunate than others, who don't have a roof over their heads, who don't know where to get their next meal, but could, one day pay it forward if only given the chance.

The younger generations are always the future.

He does say the right things particularly about traditional investing because those things do have 30 to 50 year histories. The stock market as we know it has been around for at least a hundred years, and before that ownership of corporations or large entities have existed for hundreds of years before that.

Trades were made on paper, on the "trade floor" ... eventually running on sophisticated software on mainframes and computers.

In all that time, or at least the most recent 50 years, the stock market of the entire world has been going up relentlessly, because all corporations exist to make profits, and those that remain on the major indexes, like the DOW JONES or the S&P500 ... they are "self-cleaning" ... Amazon and Microsoft were not in any of them 20 years ago. Today they are.

Just like, bitcoin did not exist 10 years ago. Now it's 200 billion total market capitalization with an absent founder, who hasn't touched any of the mined coins, coins mined because no one else would at the time, and that continues to evolve. It has a life of it's own, aided by the tens of thousands of full nodes and hundreds of countries around the world, and the millions of miners and 100 exahashes of computations per second, with a conglomerate of non-related and often competitive exchanges that provide the most liquid asset class across international borders, that now even world leaders pay attention this whole bitcoin thing.

Nothing else comes close.

The institutions are coming.
The bulls are coming.

Some of us won't be able to ride the wave (I am thinking I am one of them) because they've got nothing else and lost it all or are even negative.

Is this your best JJG? Grin
legendary
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Hearing talk of putting mesh network antennas in phones next, as it's hardly against manufacturer's interests any more.
Which is nice.

Are you hip to David Rowe's work?



i started scrolling through that and drool started coming out.
I now feel like I have the IQ of a potato. Cheesy


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He did the mesh potato for village telco

The maths are beyond me, but fascinating work.

This link was easier. Smiley
legendary
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legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
.. however, part of the problem is then attempting to figure out where I would like to put such extra cashing out value... There will be a bit of a dilemma for me, that it would be better for me to attempt to resolve ahead of time, rather than trying to figure out that channeling of funds issue during another exponential BTC price rise, if that were to come again.    

Help others ... give them both the advice of your more than 30 years experience as well as a little start ... your prodigy just might be the next Warren Buffet.

But that is exactly what JJG does. Be could blooded, not frozen, not boiling and thread lightely so no bull or whale or bear hears your steps... .  Cheesy Some dislike JJG long discours, but mostly he is saying interesting things. And just as everyone of us he also sometimes has a grumpy day... .  Wink Cheesy

I meant something more substantial than just ... more than words ... There are people out there who are less fortunate than others, who don't have a roof over their heads, who don't know where to get their next meal, but could, one day pay it forward if only given the chance.

The younger generations are always the future.

He does say the right things particularly about traditional investing because those things do have 30 to 50 year histories. The stock market as we know it has been around for at least a hundred years, and before that ownership of corporations or large entities have existed for hundreds of years before that.

Trades were made on paper, on the "trade floor" ... eventually running on sophisticated software on mainframes and computers.

In all that time, or at least the most recent 50 years, the stock market of the entire world has been going up relentlessly, because all corporations exist to make profits, and those that remain on the major indexes, like the DOW JONES or the S&P500 ... they are "self-cleaning" ... Amazon and Microsoft were not in any of them 20 years ago. Today they are.

Just like, bitcoin did not exist 10 years ago. Now it's 200 billion total market capitalization with an absent founder, who hasn't touched any of the mined coins, coins mined because no one else would at the time, and that continues to evolve. It has a life of it's own, aided by the tens of thousands of full nodes and hundreds of countries around the world, and the millions of miners and 100 exahashes of computations per second, with a conglomerate of non-related and often competitive exchanges that provide the most liquid asset class across international borders, that now even world leaders pay attention this whole bitcoin thing.

Nothing else comes close.

The institutions are coming.
The bulls are coming.

Some of us won't be able to ride the wave (I am thinking I am one of them) because they've got nothing else and lost it all or are even negative.
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
jeebus, this next boom is going to be...um...big

I'm feeling kind of giddy, but also just a tad sick, I might need one of those NASA logo barf bags.
legendary
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John Mcafee is in hospital.

Choked on his own dick?

 Naw. It's just that he hasn't been in the limelight most of this summer so he had to do something to get another 15 minutes.  Probably something cosmetic.

He was hiding out in the north of Iceland until the last week in August, so I have been reliably informed...
legendary
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legendary
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Golden cross on the weekly, as the 30 week (green) crosses the 100 week (orange) from below.  In 2015, this golden cross occurred during a period of extended consolidation.  In 2019, this cross occurs during a period of extended consolidation...


In 2015 30wk over 100wk in October, immediate rally from the relative flat into halving in June 2016

In 2019 30wk over 100wk in September...immediate rally from consolidation into halving in May 2020?
Duration would match...predicted price (by the end of may)...(805/320)X10550=$26540 (a bit too high?)
Anon predicted 29K in Feb and 56K in July (no graph)...I might believe it IF we hit 16K in October.
legendary
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Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist
Multi-year perspective

legendary
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Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist
Our current giant bull flag

legendary
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Golden cross.  Cheesy
Without it, I know Bitcoin will do have to reconsolidate, for months. In my opinion, its reconsolidation will not finish earlier than late of December this year. From that month, bitcoin might jump into its new bullish trend, that might be triggered officially in later half of March in 2020.

I believe we will have a rally in October that will push us higher.  It is certainly within the realms of possibility, although unlikely, that we could go sideways from here all the way to June 2020.  But I don't think that will happen. 
legendary
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legendary
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Farewell o_e_l_e_o
Golden cross.  Cheesy
Without it, I know Bitcoin will do have to reconsolidate, for months. In my opinion, its reconsolidation will not finish earlier than late of December this year. From that month, bitcoin might jump into its new bullish trend, that might be triggered officially in later half of March in 2020.
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