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July 31, 2017, 09:10:52 AM
News from the Polybius Bank:

Life after the ICO: how are things now at Polybius
The Polybius ICO ended on 5th July, immediately ranking among the top five largest ICOs of 2017, raising $31 million with 27,000 participants. So what has the team behind this next generation financial institution project been doing over the last three weeks, and what are Polybius’ plans for the near future? Read in this article.

Completed activities
Immediately upon closure of the ICO, all surplus tokens were burned. Out of the initial 20 million PLBT (Polybius Tokens) issued, just under 4 million are left, 3,969,565. It is unfortunate, of course, that we didn’t reach a more rounded number.

The team spent the next few days accepting the last bank payments granting the tokens in return.

Meanwhile, all payments received remain in their accounts, as before, allowing anyone who so wishes to check the contents of their Ethereum, Emercoin, and our bitcoin-escrow wallets.

What is happening now?
The distribution of PLBT within the framework of the bounty campaign is coming to an end. In total, 79,391.299996 (or 2% of the total number) PLBT have been distributed as bounties for various support services provided to the project and the Polybius ICO sales.

Currently, there is an internal audit of the ICO underway. During the audit, our accountants will verify the tokens accrued in relation to the money received to ensure that all transactions are in good order. As the Polybius Foundation has raised more than $30 million this fiscal year, under Estonian law, it is required to undergo an obligatory accounting audit at the beginning of 2018.

Hunting, Will Hunting, where Polybius gets its bankers
Polybius is already a popular place to work. Bankers, lawyers, security and compliance specialists, as well as cryptographers and developers, are actively providing us with their CVs.

But the number one question for the Polybius team right now is “what exactly is the set up of a strong banking team?” Why is this so important?

  • To establish a bank — you need to get a license.
  • To get a license — you need to get a great team together.
  • To get a great team together — you have to entice them from their current jobs.

And this is where it gets fascinating!

During the ICO we were often accused of appearing to lack experienced and successful bankers in the project. That was only half-true, they really were not there, but not because we did not have them.
Polybius’ ‘Will Hunting” started long before the opening of the ICO. Of course, Polybius was nowhere near hiring bankers, but that did not stop us from getting to know highly skilled specialists who were interested in the project, many of whom declared their interest in switching to Polybius in the event of a successful ICO.

Now that the Polybius funding targets have not only been achieved but even exceeded, the departure of bankers from mighty, but inflexible old school financial institutions has begun. However, this process takes time, from one to six months. Bankers are not people who change their jobs at the click of a button, some need to provide a month’s notice, others two, and others six.

The ‘Hunting’ process is ongoing — lawyers are in negotiations, drawing up employment contracts. Building the bank’s team will start from the top. The first recruits will be the CEO and senior management of the bank, and they will take the main strategic decisions, formulate the core development parameters, and then recruit the necessary staff.

Among the decisions to be taken will be making a final choice regarding Polybius country of jurisdiction, making arrangements with regulators and obtaining a banking license, whether that is done by starting from scratch or by purchasing an already existing bank.

We regard the purchase of an existing bank as our second choice regarding obtaining a banking license. We began receiving proposals of this nature before the completion of the ICO. We are looking into a Maltese bank with particular interest. However, it is important to understand that when you buy an existing bank, you also buy its entire history. As such the most rigorous checks must be carried out. For this reason, we would prefer to start from scratch and create our own bank.

We plan to announce the name of the Polybius CEO this fall, followed by appointments to other key positions. The Polybius team (for the time being without a bank) will then start its work.

Why is there no need to worry about the token price drop
Immediately upon the listing of PLBT on several cryptocurrency exchanges on July 5, its price began to fall precipitously. It reached a low of $3.60 from a starting value of $10. However, a simple analysis shows that this has nothing to do with “panicked investors fleeing tokens for cash.” Polybius tokens have a total capitalization of ~ $18 million at current exchange rates, yet the volume of trading in PLBT rests between $100,000–150,000 per day, which is less than one percent of the total value of tokens. So what accounts for this single percent? It is most probable that it is simply a trade in tokens issued as bounties (i.e. free of charge)

In accordance with the above, we can see that those investors who paid real money for PLBTs did not succumb to panic selling and herd mentality. They realize that putting money into something like Polybius is a long-term investment. As such, 99% of tokens remain in their original buyers’ wallets. The token value has already begun to rise gradually, and will probably grow further following this publication. It will inevitably continue growing as more news emerge from Polybius.

Cool, you’ve been on TV!
For sure, HashCoins and Polybius have been inundated with various requests for help in organizing ICOs. We certainly cannot answer every one of them in detail. It is unlikely we will even be able to read all of them in full. We shall just have to select the most interesting proposals.

As an example of the above, after the hype regarding the success of the Polybius ICO (it should not be forgotten that the ICO has been conducted by an Estonian company, and by Estonian standards a crowdfunding campaign raising over $30 million is explosive), the heads of Estonian banks started contacting us. They invited HashCoins to give lectures and presentations on blockchains and cryptocurrencies. We have already begun visiting them and sharing our experience for free. If you represent a European bank or a major Russian bank, you are welcome to contact us by email at [email protected]. Let’s be friends!
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July 31, 2017, 08:39:01 AM
I think it's pretty clear now it is a scam. Hope we could save some money from good guys.  Cool

I still can't see where is the SCAM... The licenses for the Polybius Bank can't be on hand of the Founders before several month, perhaps years... Until then, I think there is no increased value for the Tokens.

Also, the Tokens would never be intended to be coins, any form of digital currency. Only representation of more or less 20% of profits of a bank that does not yet exist.

But I must be very dumb.
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July 31, 2017, 12:24:18 AM
I think it's pretty clear now it is a scam. Hope we could save some money from good guys.  Cool
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July 24, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Nice to see people are slowly waking up to this latest hashcoins scam - unfortunately many have already been fooled & lost money though.

Still no response from hashcoins/polybius.
No posts since ICO ended.
No payments made (only fake claims from shills)

I reckon the whole crew will disappear within a month or 2 with everyone's money. Again.

"Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" ... interesting... Undoubtedly, trustworthy member... or a paid troll?

I spoke several times with Pavel Tsihhotski via Telegram and I already received some more tokens from the Bounties.

Can you explain again what payments are you referring?

And what about the "no response from hashcoins/polybius", when I see Pavel Tsihhotski and Edgar Bers (both from the Executive Team) online at a dayly basis, at the official Telegram chat,  answering the questions of the 2605 members? Or are you asking them to answer in this libel and offensive thread?

A comment from the Telegram official Polybius thread:

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Edgar Bers, [25.07.17 09:40]
[In reply to *******]
The funny thing is that our main newschannel is this group and our medium blog  moderation on Bitcointalk is inferior and I don't personally enjoy diving into that mess paid trolls are actively doing their job there
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July 21, 2017, 05:40:31 AM
Nice to see people are slowly waking up to this latest hashcoins scam - unfortunately many have already been fooled & lost money though.

Still no response from hashcoins/polybius.
No posts since ICO ended.
No payments made (only fake claims from shills)

I reckon the whole crew will disappear within a month or 2 with everyone's money. Again.
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July 13, 2017, 07:37:24 AM
I wish more people had heeded the warnings & done a little more research - it was obvious this was always another Hashcoins scam, & it seems to have been pulled off again due to people being blinded by greed & promises of piles of magic internet money.....

Hashcoins have done what Hashcoins do & have gone silent since the ICO finished - no fanfare, no trumpets or back-slapping - silence.
Their thread has degenerated into name calling & accusations - more out of embarrassment for falling for it than anything else I think.
The only exchange that might list it is livecoin - because it's run by the same scammers.
There's no way on earth that they raised the millions they reported, all fake numbers with no proof.
The banking license will never be applied for & even if it is, they won't get it - not that they care, they got their money now.

The endless ICO scams go on......

I can't agree more, if only the idiots on the other thread listened. I believe that Polybius received a lot of money as there's a lot of stupid people that would go head-first into scams like this. In the unlikely event of this NOT being a scam, it's certainly going to be a failure with PLBT reaching zero in the coming days.

It's now at its lowest of $2.22 - 77.8% loss!
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July 13, 2017, 05:23:56 AM
I saw Oleg was online on the Emercoin thread so I asked him:

**Oleg online**

How about you Oleg - care to answer?

Emercoin and Polybius are NOT the same organization.

You can assure everyone that this is the case by removing the Hashcoins scammers link from your website. After all, linking to & promoting proven scammers like them on your website is bound to create suspicion - don't you think?

No comment?

Well, seeing as Eugene Shumilov - Founder and CEO of Emercoin - has been so busy promoting Polybius & Hashcoins on medium lately:

https://medium.com/@emer.tech/polybius-bank-the-biggest-story-of-the-year-in-the-cryptocurrency-realm-634c9b1db57

..I can't say I'm surprised you can't (or won't) answer.

So it's true that Emercoin & Hashcoins/Polybius are the same team then.

Thanks for clarifying.

**Oleg logs off**

Amazing. Not a single answer from a single member of the Emercoin/Hashcoins/Polybius team either here or on medium, but they have no problem posting to advertise themselves.....

Guilty.

I got no reply from Eugene Shumilov or anyone else from Emercoin either. Nobody. They seem to have gone completely silent since all this came out.

I wonder why......... Roll Eyes

This is another good reason for the remaining trust to totally vanish into thin air.

I am not into both projects. I am also not against them. But I think above all, there should be transparency. If those who are directly involved avoid confronting the issue up front, the following things will be a bit worrisome. A problem left unsolved will definitely get worse.
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July 13, 2017, 05:16:53 AM
I wish more people had heeded the warnings & done a little more research - it was obvious this was always another Hashcoins scam, & it seems to have been pulled off again due to people being blinded by greed & promises of piles of magic internet money.....

Hashcoins have done what Hashcoins do & have gone silent since the ICO finished - no fanfare, no trumpets or back-slapping - silence.
Their thread has degenerated into name calling & accusations - more out of embarrassment for falling for it than anything else I think.
The only exchange that might list it is livecoin - because it's run by the same scammers.
There's no way on earth that they raised the millions they reported, all fake numbers with no proof.
The banking license will never be applied for & even if it is, they won't get it - not that they care, they got their money now.

The endless ICO scams go on......
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July 11, 2017, 10:58:29 PM
Whats the price atm of a 10$ buyed token?
Under 1$  Cheesy

No support or service right now, everybody flipped out and it only sounds the devs have much to do.

Funny to watch.
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July 11, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Prett interresting what happens now after the ICO ends.

Until now pretty noobie what a dev team with an 32$ m investment do anfter the funding ends.
Read the thread.  Wink

NOTHING will happen as they now have your money to enjoy!
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July 09, 2017, 12:59:38 AM
Prett interresting what happens now after the ICO ends.

Until now pretty noobie what a dev team with an 32$ m investment do anfter the funding ends.
Read the thread.  Wink

Well they do have the funds now and so I guess they can now make the project legit by hiring people to realize the project, 32M is enough to hire a CEO to handle all the works. They can operate more scam when trading is live on exchanges and just like the some team do, they pump and dump their own coin.
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July 09, 2017, 12:33:43 AM
Prett interresting what happens now after the ICO ends.

Until now pretty noobie what a dev team with an 32$ m investment do anfter the funding ends.
Read the thread.  Wink
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July 08, 2017, 07:06:10 PM
bought and sold with same price.. just earned the bonus  Grin
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July 07, 2017, 12:08:18 AM
I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

And then they, try and try and try and after all they say they fail?
Sorry to all investors, but we even dont promise!?

You can do this limitless - and there will be allways people who still believe.

If you go through everything you can see one big point - there only words!
Nothing real to show, nothing.
Dont be naive.

One day I will try to understand why the death hatred that lockept93 and other bad-looking vomiters have of Polybius.

Sry, i hate scammers and people who try to steal.
Anyway, i do not lose any money when they run. Just cant understand why people want to be so blind.

It is not only to call out its a scam, just give infos and let everybody decide alone.
I hope many people think twice about this after reading here and maybe we saved a little bit of personal money.

I really cant wait to send some  Wink to different defenders of polybius & co.

Why is lockept93 muted and silent, now that the Polybius tokens are being sold in some exchanges ... still considering it a SCAM Huh

You do not understand how this works.
It's not even difficult to bring something into some exchanges. Until now there is no proof of what they really do - just words.
And for words many people put in money.

This concept is designed for a long term play - you will see.

Anyway, it is in your hand to act with them or not.
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July 06, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

And then they, try and try and try and after all they say they fail?
Sorry to all investors, but we even dont promise!?

You can do this limitless - and there will be allways people who still believe.

If you go through everything you can see one big point - there only words!
Nothing real to show, nothing.
Dont be naive.

One day I will try to understand why the death hatred that lockept93 and other bad-looking vomiters have of Polybius.

Sry, i hate scammers and people who try to steal.
Anyway, i do not lose any money when they run. Just cant understand why people want to be so blind.

It is not only to call out its a scam, just give infos and let everybody decide alone.
I hope many people think twice about this after reading here and maybe we saved a little bit of personal money.

I really cant wait to send some  Wink to different defenders of polybius & co.

Why is lockept93 muted and silent, now that the Polybius tokens are being sold in some exchanges ... still considering it a SCAM Huh
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July 04, 2017, 06:17:34 PM
It should be interesting to what happens when it hits the exchanges tomorrow
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July 04, 2017, 06:13:05 PM
No one knows whether this is a scam. Unless they know the future.

We know who the people are. We can see the addresses for the BTC and Ethereum.

I think it is just "wait and see" now.

If they do mange to get a licence it could be huge. But I don't know how difficult that will be.

banking is definitely going to get more "digital" in the future and may use blockchains, so they may be putting themselves in the right place at the right time.

Estonia is also a leader in the digital world too.
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July 04, 2017, 05:57:37 PM
I read some article regaeding on the CEO of the polybius is an owner of a ponzi scheme site that turn into scam in the past.  Is this legit? It's alarming because polybius already raised 30+ million usd on their ICO.

Is it legit?
Hard to say as you haven't posted a link to the article. Huh
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July 04, 2017, 05:53:01 PM

2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.

That is what Polybius has said all along. They said they will attempt to get one.

It is slightly deceptive of you to say "They don't hold a banking license." licence because you infer that they claimed they did.

I think the project is wildly ambitious, and should be viewed as such...but who knows?
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July 04, 2017, 05:49:15 PM
@blurryeyed (IconFirm)

The team has rarely used the forums for communication over the 3+ year history of Emercoin. Why don't you join the slack as I suggested. Or email us directly. Don't use the "it's not in public" excuse either because of course you would post any reply you got here if it fit your agenda.
Can i have an invite to slack?
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