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legendary
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March 16, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
warren buffet thinks 'money makers' need good college/university degree's, a good job and promoted to a level to be able to trade on an exchange...

well this is what i think.

sr. member
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While i obviously don't agree with warren buffet's comments calling him an idiot for them is ignorant and just makes you look like an idiot. He's made BILLIONS from investing - he knows what he's talking about. The reason he made such comments about BTC, I believe, Is because he doesn't fully understand the technology.

Idolatry much.

I stand by my comments upthread.

He is dumber now. He was super smart when his capital was small and the industrial+tangible+socialism age was still young. Now it is peaking and dying with him too.

I don't hate him, but I sure don't idolize him. I don't want to follow him into his coming massive failure.

Perhaps his underlings and managers of his businesses are savvy enough to adjust to the knowledge age. We will see.

As I wrote upthread, he is correct that Bitcoin is not yet treated as a unit-of-account.

And I do think he might end up being correct about Bitcoin and wrong about an altcoin. Because I think the government is going to tax BTC as a commodity, which will insure it can't be a unit-of-account because legal tender is not taxed on VAT and capital gains. And then merge Bitcoin into some digital fiat plan (the mining is already centralized in few pools so easily to force those owners to sell to Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc). I believe this is why those banks have been patenting designs for the coming plan.

So that is why I don't think you will get 1000X gains that you BTC holders are extrapolating.

As I said in my first post upthread, he is somewhat correct, but only because Bitcoin is not designed to resist government regulation.

I most definitely don't idolize him but I give credit where credit is due. He's made more money in a few years than all of us in our lifetimes combined.
legendary
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mining is so 2012-2013
Warren Buffet MADE an extra 13 billion last year, enough that he could buy every bitcoin, litecoin, alt coin..... and still have billions left over.  It is very scary he spoke against bitcoins.  I hope and think he is wrong, but still..... it is something to think about.   
sr. member
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Buffet is too conservative to listen to him today, we need new authority


Can someone please help to change the title of this thread like this?

Bitcoiners: "Stay away from Warren Buffet"   Grin Grin
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Buffet is too conservative to listen to him today, we need new authority
legendary
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HoneybadgerOfMoney.com Weed4bitcoin.com
Well this is not for old generations.



What dumb ass ageist thing to say. I know plenty of 20 year olds that have laughed at the idea of Bitcoin. While you have people like Ron Paul recognize its ability to become a major force. Seems like sexism, racism etc is jumped on these days but people can be ageist without a single person questioning it. Age doesn't mean ignorant, you posting that however means you are.

I remember reading somewhere that age causes increased stubbornness, an increased amount of narcissism and an increased resistance to change - ie the internet and disruptive, emergent technology.
hero member
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Warren Buffett is being generious with his praise of Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is the tulip of the 21st century, destined to be obliterated by a better-implemented altcoin.

Oh my god, another florist. Please explain to me what has a flower to do with Bitcoin protocol? Can you send with your tulip on sunday at 1pm money from China to USA without middle-man within 1 hour almost for free? No? So stop comparing it...you guys with your tulips. If you really believe it is the same, why are you even here man/woman? Your comparison is just stupid, i am sorry to being rude.
The 'tulip' that most people refer to is the tulip bulb bubble, or tulip mania, that occurred in Europe. The peak of the bubble was in March 1637, with "some single tulip bulbs sold for more than 10 times the annual income of a skilled craftsman." The tulip bulb bubble and the potential Bitcoin bubble. Wink

More info can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania or http://www.investopedia.com/features/crashes/crashes2.asp

I know what tulip mania is, i don't know how people are comparing it to breaking technology though...it's like comparing Apple and oranges or even apples!  Roll Eyes
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Truth is as strong as Titanium.  Tongue Kiss




Some parts of what he said make sense. If we really want to promote decentralized currencies and not just for profit, we'll be all ok for another altcoin to go mainstream instead of MUST BE BITCOIN hurr durr

The only reason we are promoting just bitcoins is it already had enough traction and we don't want to flood the average joe's mind with thousands of different copycats cryptos.

So if another cryptocurrency's rise is the death of bitcoin, it is still actually still a good news in the big picture.

+1. Good to see not everyone is dumb.

Actually we don't need that altcoin to kill Bitcoin. I believe the Fourth Branch of government created Bitcoin, and they will make it mainstream by regulating it then allowing it to be legal tender so no more taxes on using it. That is good even for an altcoin which the government hates, because expands our ecosystem.

So what I see is a better altcoin that is #2, but better for all of us idealists who understand where we are headed 10 - 20 years hence. The masses will follow us into this altcoin later, after they get totally fucked over by the government as socialism implodes. For now the masses still trust the government, otherwise the $223 trillion global fractional reserves (i.e. debt) and $1000 trillion of derivatives would have imploded already.



Decentralized exchange won't help you. Because your IP address is still visible to the government, and Tor+VPN can't help you.


Documents released by, and interviews with, Ed Snowden strongly imply that Tor and/or VPNs can, in fact, help quite a bit.

Anonymint please stop polluting other peoples threads.
And yes Tor CAN help you if you know how to use it Wink

I am not polluting. I responding on Buffet's point as to why Bitcoin can not become a unit-of-account (unless it becomes the new digital fiat legal tender).

Tor and VPNs can not be proven to anonymous when you use them. You might get lucky, you might not.

And besides, most are not using them, thus diluting the percentage of those who use them (5%?) by the percentage that you get lucky (80%?), means some very small percent (0.05 x 0.8 = 4%?) of Bitcoin users are anonymous w.r.t. to IP address.

And that is only IP address. You still have to mix your coins so they can't be traced on the public ledger block chain.

Problem is all mixers have the same problem as VPNs, in that you can't prove the people running them aren't revealing your identity (NSA gag order can be applied to them) or that their servers aren't backdoored.

And mixers are only a small percent of users, so thus the anonymity set is very limited.

So all of this means that the government can find 95+% of the users to attack them with taxation and criminal liability for all activity on the coin history. Because how can you prove you didn't mine the coin and sell it to yourself multiple times unless you have the identities of who you bought from and sold to?

Come on morons, you haven't thought this out.

You remind me of a Rottweiler. Very vicious in protecting his master, but not very smart.

My MO is very simple. I believe in decentralized crypto-currency. I am grateful Bitcoin exists and will promote it as such.

I am realistic about the flaws in Bitcoin. And I expect an altcoin to fix those issues. And then I expect the two things to coexist and we will profit from it.

You can go chew on your bone now.

DOGE bone?
Is THAT your favorite altcoin?  Cheesy

Hahaha, of course not. I already wrote upthread that all existing and known planned altcoins are crapcoins. Even Ethereum is nonsense because putting a Turing complete language in the block chain can cause a virus and destroy the entire block chain.
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Sigh. Okay you two will miss your chance at 1000X gains. Fine with me. Good luck.
Hey noob, I'm doing okay. I went in pre-100. I've already gained 1400% on my original BTC investment, and completely divested myself from the very dubious, artificially-inflated dollar. You should too.

That's what happens when you buy and hold. Cryptocurrency's value increases logarithmically year over year, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to stop it. Pandora's box has been opened.

Every obstacle the terrified governments of the world throw at crypto is a mere speedbump in the big-picture, long view of the evolution of this new technology.

And trees grow past the moon to ur-anus too.

Rather adoption curves are logistic.

So the question is at what point is Bitcoin fully adopted?

Most people in the world don't give a rats ass about our idealistic goals with decentralized crypto-currency.

They would prefer to use Paypal or a credit card.

So Bitcoin will only continue going up if:

1. More investors drink the Koolaid.

2. There is some compelling mainstream use of Bitcoin that we haven't seen yet.


So it is quite easy to displace Bitcoin, simply invent an altcoin that has some very important use which Bitcoin can't do, and which many people need desperately.

I know what that is.

So goodbye to you. Enjoy your myopia.



Some parts of what he said make sense. If we really want to promote decentralized currencies and not just for profit, we'll be all ok for another altcoin to go mainstream instead of MUST BE BITCOIN hurr durr

The only reason we are promoting just bitcoins is it already had enough traction and we don't want to flood the average joe's mind with thousands of different copycats cryptos.

So if another cryptocurrency's rise is the death of bitcoin, it is still actually still a good news in the big picture.
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we do not need to dismiss him, this guy is a genius regarding business investment. but afaik he is using a somewhat fundamental analysis for his investment decision for evaluating the intrinsic value of a company etc.

obviously this does not work with bitcoin,because it is somewhat complicated to estimate the intrinsic value of this technology. I would not care so much for his opinion, he probably took at most 30 minutes trying to understand what this strange digital stuff is and dismissed it due to his mechanics of evaluating investments. 
Buffett is risk averse. If he can't fully understand something he isn't going to recommend it. And as much as I love the bitcoin concept it is a large gamble. It is a gamble I am taking (although I got in early and sold half when it was just about where it is now, so I won't feel too dumb if the bottom falls out.) but would I suggest it to someone that has kids to feed? Buffett believes in the smart safe play. And when he says sell, that is when I really pay attention. He saved my ass in the dot.com bubble.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
You remind me of a Rottweiler. Very vicious in protecting his master, but not very smart.

My MO is very simple. I believe in decentralized crypto-currency. I am grateful Bitcoin exists and will promote it as such.

I am realistic about the flaws in Bitcoin. And I expect an altcoin to fix those issues. And then I expect the two things to coexist and we will profit from it.

You can go chew on your bone now.

DOGE bone?
Is THAT your favorite altcoin?  Cheesy
hero member
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Decentralized exchange won't help you. Because your IP address is still visible to the government, and Tor+VPN can't help you.


Documents released by, and interviews with, Ed Snowden strongly imply that Tor and/or VPNs can, in fact, help quite a bit.

Anonymint please stop polluting other peoples threads.
And yes Tor CAN help you if you know how to use it Wink

legendary
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Decentralized exchange won't help you. Because your IP address is still visible to the government, and Tor+VPN can't help you.


Documents released by, and interviews with, Ed Snowden strongly imply that Tor and/or VPNs can, in fact, help quite a bit.
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"Buffett also said he would steer clear of bitcoin. Buffett said the cryptocurrency is an effective payment system, but “so is a check.” The idea that bitcoin has some “intrinsic value is just a joke.”

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/03/14/warren-buffett-dont-dump-stocks-on-china-or-ukraine-and-stay-away-from-bitcoin/?mod=sfmw

Well... It's too late for some of us to stay away now.

Remember, this is the same guy that said to avoid investing in internet companies.
While I think he is wrong on this one, I have done quite well over the years listening to Buffett. And his Internet comment you make fun of probably saved me from moving to a smaller house.
legendary
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I love warren Buffet  Cheesy , Can we say bitcoin is not risky. We folks are mostly risk takers investing in bitcoin, any conservative investor will say the same as Warren Buffet.

I don't like this guy Tongue he is a rich man indeed but it does mean nothing for me Smiley

XD
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Leave him alone Smiley he is 84 years old so I wish him 200 years of life Smiley
But perhaps he will dismissed himself in next decade or maximum two...

But I do not wish him that - this is just how it works. Isn't? Sad

If he really lives to 200, then is he an alien/human hybrid?
hero member
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Sigh. Okay you two will miss your chance at 1000X gains. Fine with me. Good luck.
Hey noob, I'm doing okay. I went in pre-100. I've already gained 1400% on my original BTC investment, and completely divested myself from the very dubious, artificially-inflated dollar. You should too.

That's what happens when you buy and hold. Cryptocurrency's value increases logarithmically year over year, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to stop it. Pandora's box has been opened.

Every obstacle the terrified governments of the world throw at crypto is a mere speedbump in the big-picture, long view of the evolution of this new technology.

And trees grow past the moon to ur-anus too.

Rather adoption curves are logistic.

So the question is at what point is Bitcoin fully adopted?

Most people in the world don't give a rats ass about our idealistic goals with decentralized crypto-currency.

They would prefer to use Paypal or a credit card.

So Bitcoin will only continue going up if:

1. More investors drink the Koolaid.

2. There is some compelling mainstream use of Bitcoin that we haven't seen yet.


So it is quite easy to displace Bitcoin, simply invent an altcoin that has some very important use which Bitcoin can't do, and which many people need desperately.


hero member
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
Sigh. Okay you two will miss your chance at 1000X gains. Fine with me. Good luck.
Hey noob, I'm doing okay. I went in pre-100. I've already gained 1400% on my original BTC investment, and completely divested myself from the very dubious, artificially-inflated dollar. You should too.

That's what happens when you buy and hold. Cryptocurrency's value increases logarithmically year over year, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to stop it. Pandora's box has been opened.

Every obstacle the terrified governments of the world throw at crypto is a mere speedbump in the big-picture, long view of the evolution of this new technology.



hero member
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
Ignorance won't help you. Investors ignore facts at their own peril. Continue on.

You can find the technical discussion between gmaxell and myself in the CoinJoin thread, which is not my thread. He is the moderator as well as core Bitcoin developer. Malevolent was also in that discussion. He is the moderator here.

Go cry in your milk now waterboy.

Damn right I will continue on... Don't be mad because I'm exposing your
pathetic MO and agenda.   This thread is about Warren Buffet and you try to turn it into
"why bitcoin will fail".
The clueless fiat-troll / NSA agent has spoken!

Quick, everyone divest the only real money you have ever owned (excluding gold), and buy back into nation-state ponzi-scheme currency!

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0
hero member
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You remind me of a Rottweiler. Very vicious in protecting his master, but not very smart.

My MO is very simple. I believe in decentralized crypto-currency. I am grateful Bitcoin exists and will promote it as such.

I am realistic about the flaws in Bitcoin. And I expect an altcoin to fix those issues. And then I expect the two things to coexist and we will profit from it.

You can go chew on your bone now.
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