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Topic: Warren Buffet: "Stay away from Bitcoin" - page 5. (Read 10110 times)

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March 14, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
#55
Warren Buffett is being generious with his praise of Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is the tulip of the 21st century, destined to be obliterated by a better-implemented altcoin.

Oh my god, another florist. Please explain to me what has a flower to do with Bitcoin protocol? Can you send with your tulip on sunday at 1pm money from China to USA without middle-man within 1 hour almost for free? No? So stop comparing it...you guys with your tulips. If you really believe it is the same, why are you even here man/woman? Your comparison is just stupid, i am sorry to being rude.
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March 14, 2014, 02:02:54 PM
#54
Remember, this is the same guy that said to avoid investing in internet companies.

Ahahah, really?

This happens when some guy which has not born playing videogames tell you things about disruptive technology.
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March 14, 2014, 02:02:14 PM
#53
Anyone calling Buffet an "idiot" clearly does not understand the history and depth of this man's successful long history of entrepreneurship and investing.

But his long-time success does not preclude him from being wrong, as he was with internet investments not so long ago.

Clearly he appears to be wrong again.

I wonder how much of this recent statement regarding Bitcoin comes from him directly, and how much comes from his advisers.
legendary
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March 14, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
#52
just another NWO puppet. completely irrelevant.
Maybe :-) but we will show them our NWO.
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March 14, 2014, 01:46:17 PM
#51
just another NWO puppet. completely irrelevant.

And a leading member of the Illuminati. lol
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March 14, 2014, 01:44:52 PM
#50
Warren Buffett is being generious with his praise of Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is the tulip of the 21st century, destined to be obliterated by a better-implemented altcoin.
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March 14, 2014, 01:39:54 PM
#49
just another NWO puppet. completely irrelevant.
legendary
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March 14, 2014, 01:38:09 PM
#48
His 4th largest investment is a $12.5B holding in IBM.

Ok ok Smiley
You got me. IBM is IT company indeed Tongue

So when he is telling to stay away from Bitcoin we should listen to him?Smiley

He was not tempted to buy into the it-bubble around 99/2000 and survived the it-crash while other investors lost billions.
He got many billions, how many do you have?
So don't underestimate him.
I have none :-)
But because of bitcoin many people get rich. Isn't?
I just underestimate him as a bitcoin expert (and IT expert).
sr. member
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March 14, 2014, 11:31:55 AM
#47
People are pissed, but Warren just said a fact.

Bitcoin is just a money transfer system. A valuable technology if it were not open source. The currency aspect is fictional, and does not have any INTRISIC value.

As for "Scarce", it is not. One bitcoin contains 100 million satoshis, and can be changed in the source or swtching to other system of same technology.
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March 14, 2014, 10:57:00 AM
#46
"Buffett also said he would steer clear of bitcoin. Buffett said the cryptocurrency is an effective payment system, but “so is a check.” The idea that bitcoin has some “intrinsic value is just a joke.”

If you could argue back, you could point out the intrinsic value of the us dollar is a joke as well, but it seems to work as method to store value and is the backbone of the US and much of the world's economy.


Dollar does not have intrisic value really, that's why 1 dollar is worth nothing more then one dollar and you can only obtain thru' your work that has a value to others.
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March 14, 2014, 10:54:05 AM
#45
Whenever I want tech advice, I always ask a senior citizen.  Undecided

true visionär  Grin
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March 14, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
#44
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the markets need not care about your lack of understanding.

The ironic thing is, the whole "lack of understanding" comment was exactly the same thing that that people made fun of Buffet for right before the tech crash.  Buffet said the companies were being overvalued because the cash flow didn't support the valuation.  People laughed at him for not understanding new financial metrics like "value per page views".

Then most of those people promptly went broke.

Many others besides Warren Buffet predicted many things that come out dot on. Before Lehman Brothers, say just 3 years after the Nasdaq bubble burst when the authorities had to pump up the stock markets (2003), many people already warned about the coming housing bubbles. People too were openly saying the 'strongest' US banks like BoA, and some others heavily invested in derivatives, had  zero net worth. It was proven in 2008 when BoA/Citi's shares drop to a dollar a piece. So there are smart and sharp people around all the time, not just Warren Buffet. We too can list many, many stupid bums around.   

God created the world and also, at this point in time, gives permission for Bitcoin to come into being - according to His image. The image and design just happens not to be compatible to the image of what Warren Buffet think is a huge BTC making opportunity - so he cannot partake of its grace, Opps! So the right thing for him is that he should not get involved; or he could not get involved, at least not at this point in time.

Buffet got it right about the bursting of the Nasdaq tech bubble and so did many, many others. With some hindsight, not rocketscience, Tech companies are just corporations and any corporation building on hope may vanish if reality finally deviate far from the initial hope and wish. Bitcoin is indeed a completely different beast and Buffet's whole "lack of understanding" is correct - at least in my view and opinion. No one person or organization, in general, can control the character of bitcoin or the way it would develop. Open source means it is truly democratic, decided only through the consensus of the internet - and the internet means the whole world nowadays!

Intrinsic values are relative as all of us know and even talking about the intrinsic values of things is extremely boring. Just say, for simplicity, that value, like beauty, is only in the eyes of the beholder or valuer. (Stupid) People can say whatever they like about why something with no "real" existence like 1 bitcoin should never be valued almost equal to half an ounce of gold. Why should it not be? Can anyone answer. Or can anyone give the true valuation of bitcoin as at today. Warren Buffet too don't have an answer. We have to decide for ourselves what the value of bitcoin should be or whether it has a future.

sr. member
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March 14, 2014, 10:48:35 AM
#43
Well this is not for old generations.



What dumb ass ageist thing to say. I know plenty of 20 year olds that have laughed at the idea of Bitcoin. While you have people like Ron Paul recognize its ability to become a major force. Seems like sexism, racism etc is jumped on these days but people can be ageist without a single person questioning it. Age doesn't mean ignorant, you posting that however means you are.
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March 14, 2014, 10:42:39 AM
#42
As far as I can tell he was quite positive about bitcoin this time around.
The fact that bitcoins doesn't have intrinsic value is a no brainer really. Its what the bitcoin represents, or what you can get for it that has intrinsic value.
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March 14, 2014, 10:31:39 AM
#41
Well this is not for old generations.
newbie
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March 14, 2014, 10:24:18 AM
#40
Do you not know who Buffet is?  He may be wrong, but he's far from an idiot when it comes to investing.

Yes I know who he is..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Warren_Buffett_KU-crop%2Cflip.jpg/433px-Warren_Buffett_KU-crop%2Cflip.jpg

And He was born in 1930.

Ok - I am sorry he is not an idiot.
He just do not like IT technologies Tongue


http://www.c[Suspicious link removed]m/id/22130601

His 4th largest investment is a $12.5B holding in IBM.


^SHA256 where did dat ish come from? hmmmm =) haha
newbie
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March 14, 2014, 10:19:42 AM
#39
Dear Mr Buffet,

you should read this:

Quote
bitcoin is:
1. Scarce
2. Durable
3. Portable
4. Divisible
5. Impossible to counterfeit
6. Fungible ( any 1 BTC has the same value as any other )
7. Easy to keep safe ( contrary to popular belief, it easy to print out a paper wallet...)
8. Shiny ( yes the digital bits that make up a bitcoin are VERY shiny)
9. all of the above. + very shiny

Fiat is:
1. Definitely not  Scarce, ( mage inflation in the money supply is monumental )
2. Not Durable
3. NOT Portable... compare it to bitcoin, ( try sending 1 million dollars across the globe, try sending 10 cents. then try again but with bitcoin AHhhhh you starting to get it now eh )
5.  Impossible to counterfeit LMAO
6. Fungible... ya maybe...
7. Easy to keep safe? ya all it requires is huge banks, and even then....  the only reason it works is the fact the government has no problem printing (out of thin air ITS MAGIC!) as much money as they need to be solvent any time they need it, you do know what a bailout is right?
8. Shiny? Its has cocaine all over it so no... not shiny
the only thing that fiat  has going for it is that its widely accepted, for now!

the markets need not care about your lack of understanding.

don't be a bitch , i'm sure he knows wayyyyy more than you(behind the scenes) about our desert oasis!!! ;-) LOL!!!
sr. member
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March 14, 2014, 10:13:02 AM
#38
Buffet is billionaire - you aint.
end of discussion.
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eidoo wallet
March 14, 2014, 10:12:30 AM
#37
"Buffett also said he would steer clear of bitcoin. Buffett said the cryptocurrency is an effective payment system, but “so is a check.” The idea that bitcoin has some “intrinsic value is just a joke.”

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/03/14/warren-buffett-dont-dump-stocks-on-china-or-ukraine-and-stay-away-from-bitcoin/?mod=sfmw

Well... It's too late for some of us to stay away now.

Remember, this is the same guy that said to avoid investing in internet companies.

For everyone that doesn't know, this could be a marketing ploy, for him to buy up Bitcoin and watch it's value rise, Or it could be genuine. Who knows.
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March 14, 2014, 10:09:16 AM
#36
1. He say consumers and merchants (he was not referring to investors in BTC) don't use it as a unit-of-account nor store-of-value, i.e. don't retain their cash in Bitcoin, and only cash in/out from/to fiat using as a money order.

2. He doesn't think duplicates can be prevented which dilute its value.

3. He doesn't expect a worse economic crash than 2008 in next few years.


Please remember #3, because he will be highly embarrassed on this one. He is wrong.

On #1, I have to somewhat agree with him, but we are preparing to change this by making features that a fiat economy can't do.

On #2, the network effect will take over much more strongly when the prior sentence is implemented.
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