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March 14, 2014, 04:36:12 PM
#75
Whenever I want tech advice, I always ask a senior citizen.  Undecided
ROFL QFT!

Wanna know another Buffet quote?

"When others are greedy, be fearful. When others are fearful, be greedy."
-Warren Fuckin Buffet

I think the old man should consider his own advice in this matter.
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March 14, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
#74

1. Picture a complete freeze in lending, and a lack of access to cash.  No one can buy cars or houses.  People with no cash on hand couldn't buy anything.  Stores can't stock shelves or pay employees.  Forget just the banks, every company from GE to local mom and pop shops would be under within a month.  Tens of millions would suddenly find themselves out of work.  You'd have mass riots in every major city in the nation.  If we were lucky, we would be living in a state of martial law.

This entire premise is based on the fact that new players will not enter the space that just appeared.

Riots? Martial Law?  You have got to be kidding.  This reeks of statist fear-mongering.

Not even the great depression brought on Martial Law.

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2. And as for your ridiculous solution, is this something you actually spent more than 2 seconds to think up?  Honestly, how long do you think it would take for the government create this plan, to identify these people, and to mail them checks.  A few months?  A year?
As opposed to giving reward to the stupid and losers?  Now that was ridiculous and down right evil.

And as for your time frame, there is this tech called a database that  Dr Codd nailed for us in 1969.

As a real world example, the Australian government gave out $800 dollars to every tax payer directly into their bank account within 3 weeks.  It's not hard.
It was a perfect Friedman helicopter drop.  Minimal implementation cost and only a few dead people wasted it.

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3. What money was spent?  In the end, the banks paid the money back, so what money could have been "saved" for a better use?

The opportunity costs that the US lost by keeping the dead wood alive is immeasurable.  You are currently experiencing a "long slow painful recovery" due to propping up zombie businesses.
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March 14, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
#73
Dear Mr Buffet,

you should read this:

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bitcoin is:
1. Scarce
2. Durable
3. Portable
4. Divisible
5. Impossible to counterfeit
6. Fungible ( any 1 BTC has the same value as any other )
7. Easy to keep safe ( contrary to popular belief, it easy to print out a paper wallet...)
8. Shiny ( yes the digital bits that make up a bitcoin are VERY shiny)
9. all of the above. + very shiny

Fiat is:
1. Definitely not  Scarce, ( mage inflation in the money supply is monumental )
2. Not Durable
3. NOT Portable... compare it to bitcoin, ( try sending 1 million dollars across the globe, try sending 10 cents. then try again but with bitcoin AHhhhh you starting to get it now eh )
5.  Impossible to counterfeit LMAO
6. Fungible... ya maybe...
7. Easy to keep safe? ya all it requires is huge banks, and even then....  the only reason it works is the fact the government has no problem printing (out of thin air ITS MAGIC!) as much money as they need to be solvent any time they need it, you do know what a bailout is right?
8. Shiny? Its has cocaine all over it so no... not shiny
the only thing that fiat  has going for it is that its widely accepted, for now!

the markets need not care about your lack of understanding.

This post will be worth a Billion $'s someday.   Cheesy
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March 14, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
#72

Remember, this is the same guy that said to avoid investing in internet companies.

All he says is invalid.
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March 14, 2014, 03:57:06 PM
#71
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS HE COULD WISH BITCOIN INTO THE CORN FIELD ANYDAY!!! ~HE MUST LIKE US !!!

;-)

JMHO!
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March 14, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
#70
"Stay away from bitcoin" if.. you want to stay away from profits
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March 14, 2014, 03:51:37 PM
#69
Like it or not, TARP and the other bailouts saved everyone's arse.

I call bullshit and please define "everyone"?

Depositors and creditors should have been completely wiped out.  No exceptions.
The bastion of capitalism turned into a corporate/crony cluster fuck.

If you want to throw Keynes and a social conscience into it for the retirees and "mum & pop" investors, the US could have written checks for $0.50 in the $1 for anyone with assets under $2million.

The printing done each month to "save us" could have bought you a complete universal health care system for everyone of your citizens with change left over.

1. Picture a complete freeze in lending, and a lack of access to cash.  No one can buy cars or houses.  People with no cash on hand couldn't buy anything.  Stores can't stock shelves or pay employees.  Forget just the banks, every company from GE to local mom and pop shops would be under within a month.  Tens of millions would suddenly find themselves out of work.  You'd have mass riots in every major city in the nation.  If we were lucky, we would be living in a state of martial law.

2. And as for your ridiculous solution, is this something you actually spent more than 2 seconds to think up?  Honestly, how long do you think it would take for the government create this plan, to identify these people, and to mail them checks.  A few months?  A year?

3. What money was spent?  In the end, the banks paid the money back, so what money could have been "saved" for a better use?
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March 14, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
#68
This is harsher than his internet company diss.  That was more along the lines of "I personally wouldn't invest in a business I couldn't understand".

He also made his internet comment right before the tech crash in the late 1990s...

The tech crash didn't happen until after the 90's were over.
If he made the comment "right before the tech crash", then we are talking the year 2000 (late Spring/Early summer)
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March 14, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
#67
His analogy comparing bitcoin to a paper check doesn't fit. Bitcoin is a more than a money transfer system; it's a protocol within itself.

Edit: And it has the potential to cut into the profits of the corrupt banking system. That alone makes it valuable to me.
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March 14, 2014, 03:41:36 PM
#66
Like it or not, TARP and the other bailouts saved everyone's arse.

I call bullshit and please define "everyone"?

Depositors and creditors should have been completely wiped out.  No exceptions.
The bastion of capitalism turned into a corporate/crony cluster fuck.

If you want to throw Keynes and a social conscience into it for the retirees and "mum & pop" investors, the US could have written checks for $0.50 in the $1 for anyone with assets under $2million.

The printing done each month to "save us" could have bought you a complete universal health care system for everyone of your citizens with change left over.
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March 14, 2014, 03:36:24 PM
#65
"Buffett also said he would steer clear of bitcoin. Buffett said the cryptocurrency is an effective payment system, but “so is a check.” The idea that bitcoin has some “intrinsic value is just a joke.”

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/03/14/warren-buffett-dont-dump-stocks-on-china-or-ukraine-and-stay-away-from-bitcoin/?mod=sfmw

Well... It's too late for some of us to stay away now.

Remember, this is the same guy that said to avoid investing in internet companies.

I respect Warrens opinion he doesn't invest in the tech sphere because he doesn't put money in things he does not understand
Since he doesn't understand bitcoin he will miss it like the rise of the internet age
But for him it does not matter his fortune is from doing what he knows best so I would say to let him be
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March 14, 2014, 03:32:49 PM
#64
I used to have a lot of time for Buffett.

Not any more though and it has nothing to do with his position on Bitcoin.

Bank of America/Merrill Lynch - 5th largest investment
Wells Fargo & Co - Largest Investment
JP Morgan - Owns shares

His influence in bringing about TARP to save his own arse is the pinnacle of cronyism.



Like it or not, TARP and the other bailouts saved everyone's arse.
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March 14, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
#63
I used to have a lot of time for Buffett.

Not any more though and it has nothing to do with his position on Bitcoin.

Bank of America/Merrill Lynch - 5th largest investment
Wells Fargo & Co - Largest Investment
JP Morgan - Owns shares

His influence in bringing about TARP to save his own arse is the pinnacle of cronyism.

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March 14, 2014, 03:18:40 PM
#62
because he fears that people investing in bitcoin will devalue his assets?
lets take a moment and remind ourselves that everyone is selfish.
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March 14, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
#61
stay away from Buffet and his theories if you don't understand them. just keep investing in bitcoin to prove him wrong.
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March 14, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
#60
Well this is not for old generations.



What dumb ass ageist thing to say. I know plenty of 20 year olds that have laughed at the idea of Bitcoin. While you have people like Ron Paul recognize its ability to become a major force. Seems like sexism, racism etc is jumped on these days but people can be ageist without a single person questioning it. Age doesn't mean ignorant, you posting that however means you are.
Well that excalated quickly
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March 14, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
#59
Buffet is an investor, not a speculator.
Investing in bitcoin now is just pure speculation.
He would never invest in something he is not sure it will still exist in 10 years.
Plus if you buy bitcoin and you don't sell them, you don't get any dividends.


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March 14, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
#58
Bitcoin has outperformed Berkshire Hathaway. Warren Buffett bought BRK at $8 in 1962 by 2013 it peaked at $178,900, an increase of 2,236,250%. Bitcoin went from $0.01 to $1243, a 12,430,000% move in 4 years.
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March 14, 2014, 02:34:12 PM
#57
Anyone calling Buffet an "idiot" clearly does not understand the history and depth of this man's successful long history of entrepreneurship and investing.

But his long-time success does not preclude him from being wrong, as he was with internet investments not so long ago.

Clearly he appears to be wrong again.

I wonder how much of this recent statement regarding Bitcoin comes from him directly, and how much comes from his advisers.

If he will be wrong (if bitcoin will have 100x more value than now for example - so investors would make money), can we remember these moments and THEN call him an idiot please?  Roll Eyes If he will be right, we will all be just idiots here anyway, so what does it matter Lips sealed
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