Topic: Was U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl a Traitor? (Read 7821 times)

Absolutely, he disobeyed a direct order and left his brothers in arms. Though it doesn't matter whether he intended to come back eventually or not, the evidence points towards desertion.

A soldier is supposed to follow the orders from his officer, even if he doesn't like them personally. Mr Bergdahl disobeyed the direct order, and indirectly caused the deaths of a number of American soldiers. That said, branding him as a traitor will be a bit harsh, in my opinion. You can say that he was a dissenter or a rebel. That is the right word.

No one told him to join the army and sign up. Also soldiers went to save him from his "captures". They died trying.

The next time you feel like sharing something anywhere on the internet it is cool to post the link as no one will search for what you are talking about. People are lazy. Go back to all the posts from the beginning to see how it should be done.

I would recommend listening to the second season of the Serial podcast. They do a good job of presenting the case and describing his strict morality/black and white thinking that lead him to leave base the way he did. You may come to a different conclusion but it made me think that he was not a traitor.

BREAKING: Bowe Bergdahl Pleads Guilty To Desertion And Misbehavior






Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who walked off his post in Afghanistan in 2009 and was held in captivity for five years by the Taliban, pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy on Monday, saying “I understand leaving was against the law.”

“I left my observation post on my own,” Bergdahl told a judge at his hearing at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, according to CNN. “I understand leaving was against the law.”

In an interview that aired earlier Monday, Bergdahl who was released in 2014 in exchange for five Taliban prisoners who were being held in Guantanamo Bay, said that he doubts if he could have gotten a fair trial after President Trump once called him a “no good traitor” who should be executed.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/16/bowe-bergdahl-pleads-guilty-to-desertion-and-misbehavior/


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Another Obama Record! The first president in US history to trade FIVE top Taliban terrorists for an admitted traitor! Congratulations Barack! You did it!

Collaboration. Best way to survive, especially when he was actively seeking the talibans. He had value. He played his part. 5 top talibans were released in exchange of him.

And, according to the new revelations, 0bama knew.


 

I don't know? But wouldn't you expect to be captured and killed? He was at an outpost with no where to go and did not even know the language. I think he is lucky to be alive. His actions really make me wonder about his mental state.

Suicide-by-talibans?

Desertion and misbehavior before the enemy is clearly treasonous. I might agree that a 20 year old who refuses to follow the rules he considers wrong is to be held up. But a 20 year old volunteer solider should be shot for it. There are many ways to object to an order in the army. However deserting your unit and putting their lives at risk is not one of them. 

And don't get me started on the stupidity of this. It looks more like a suicide attempt than a desertion.

Obama Admin Had Tapes Proving Bergdahl Deserted and Joined Taliban – Ignored Them at Trial


Retired Colonel David Hunt broke the news tonight on The O’Reilly Factor that the the Obama administration had proof that Bowe Bergdahl deserted to the Taliban.
The Obama administration did not use the evidence in his trial.

Colonel David Hunt explained it tonight:

Col. David Hunt (retired): June 30, 2009, Bergdahl deserts his post in southeast Afghanistan. July 1st and 2nd, in a standard briefing to a commander of his unit, Fourth Brigade ot the 25th Infantry division, we have tapes of Taliban talking on Bergdahl’s phone saying that Bergdahl wanted to join them. And we have the Taliban on their own phones talking about Bergdahl trying to join them. This information was known July 2nd on and yet we still traded him for five terrorists, had a White House ceremony and now we’ve taken two years since he’s come back to do something which takes 90 days. The government has not yet and it doesn’t sound like it’s going to even use these tapes against Sgt Bergdahl.

Bill O’Reilly: How did they get the tapes?

Col. Hunt: It doesn’t make sense. None of it makes any sense on Bergdahl.

Bill O’Reilly: How did the government get the tapes?

Col. David Hunt: There are programs, we’ve been doing it since World War II, in which we listen to the enemy, and people who are speaking Pashtun and any language the Taliban in that section are using, were listening because they were told to and they were also listening to Bergdahl’s phone. What they heard was the Taliban on Bergdahl’s phone because he had joined them by then. So it’s a military program.

Bill O’Reilly: So, once again the tapes say that Bergdahl deserted and wanted to join the Taliban.

Col. Hunt: Yes the tapes are available. The government’s not using them.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/breaking-obama-admin-had-tapes-proving-bergdahl-deserted-and-joined-taliban-ignored-them-at-trial/

as the potus, the senat, the congress, all the branches of the us gov have betrayed the people, no he can't. logic if there in no one to betrayed, ie your nation is gone, how could anyone betray? (proof gmo trough TPP) but more generally if it was before 1913 maybe, but now an individual case... who cares.... what is Kim K. doing?

Tin stars on a person's shoulder should not impress any adult. Nor should other cosmetics. Why do you need someone to follow him?

As for him helping the Taliban militarily, if he did that, again please try to understand the gang mentality.

1) The Taliban were not involved in 911 in any way whatsoever. They allowed any person of their religion into their country but no knowledgeable person has ever claimed they were involved in 911, because they weren't. You can argue why we invaded, there are a number of theories. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102158/Heroin-production-Afghanistan-RISEN-61.html

2) Life is not about joining the biggest gang. If his intention was to kill innocent people, as you suggest his 'old comrades' were, then he should be stopped. Was that his intention? Were his 'old comrades' innocent harmless people?

If your friends go on a murder spree, killing people they have no business with, are you obliged to support your comrades no matter what? Is your only moral obligation to follow orders and be loyal?

3) As for wearing a speedo, maybe that will get girls in some bars. That guy evidently thought a soldier costume would work better so he tried it. My argument was simply that he is no more of a fraud than others who wear similar costumes. They are imposing gangs, they have control of a lot of territory, they can force people to do and say things etc. But the truth, the real truth, is that uniforms are for punks. People who want power by force are annoying enough, gangbangers who try to take power under the false banner of 'protecting' are scum. Most militaries have no interest in defense.

Who would follow his orders then? Fake muscled steroid punks who strut around? Why join the army if you don't belong? If you feel it is OK to help "your new friends" kill your old comrades why can't you do it yourself, while looking into their eyes?

As far as the other dude disguised as a soldier to get free stuff and girls... Can't you get the same amount of sex and materialist stuff just by wearing a speedo?

What is the rational reason?



Not every dumb head is a hero walking on a path of petals...

America has arrived at a dark place, where young people are coerced into obedience at all costs. Right and wrong are determined by the state.

It is like the 'stolen valor' story yesterday. A guy dresses up in a military costume to get help getting girls. Someone accuses him of 'stealing the valor' of soldiers. What valor is he stealing?

An obedient 20 year old is a disgrace. Most soldiers who strut around like peacocks, so proud to be 'one of the gang' will spend their whole lives following some other person. "Who can I obey" should be America's national motto.

Bergdahl, whether you agree with him or not, should be made a two star general. Three stars for Bradley Manning, unless he gets his dick cut off, then only one star but still a general.

All the fake muscled steroid punks who strut around, proud that they "served", i.e., killed foreign people for no rational reason, should remain privates until their victims reincarnate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/16/bergdahl-teammates-head-joint-chiefs-knew-walked-off/

Report: Bergdahl Definitely Deserted To Turn Himself Over to The Taliban, Other U.S. Enemies







administration for five top Taliban commanders last summer, has been charged with desertion and misbehaving in front to the enemy under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He faces life in prison if he is convicted.

Bergdahl's legal defense team will argue in military court that Bergdahl didn't desert, but was trying to get to another base to report wrongdoing inside his Army unit.  Up until this point, the Obama administration has defended the decision to get Bergdahl back in exchange for terrorists, even going so far as saying he served with "honor and distinction."

But a report from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service shows Bergdahl not only deserted his unit, but deliberately tried to seek out the Taliban and other enemies of the United States. It should be noted that many of Bergdahl's platoon members have said this from day one, but were smeared by the Obama administration as uncredible and as liars for doing so.

A 2009 NCIS investigation into Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s activities while in Afghanistan reveal that there is clear evidence Bergdahl was “going over to the other side with a deliberate plan,” Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" Monday night.

“He had Afghan contacts and he was actually trying to offer himself up with the Taliban. Both are very severe,” Shaffer added.

Shaffer said that the NCIS investigation, which included interviews with squad mates as well as Afghans working outside the wire, reportedly resulted in Bergdahl being charged with misbehavior toward the enemy.


Lt. Col. Shaffer also noted during the interview above that President Obama had to have known about Bergdahl's desertion through the NCIS before making the decision to negotiate his release.

A preliminary Article 32 hearing has been scheduled for Bergdahl's case and will be held at Ft. Sam Houston, Texas. When the hearing will take place will be announced at a later date.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/04/07/report-bergdahl-was-defintely-trying-to-turn-himself-over-to-the-taliban-n1981780?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall

Bergdahl, 28, went missing from his base in Paktika province on June 30, 2009, and is believed to have grown disillusioned with the U.S. military’s mission in Afghanistan. He was held captive in Pakistan by the Haqqani network, an insurgent group allied with the Taliban, until a deal brokered through the government of Qatar was reached last year.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/25/bowe-bergdahl-once-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/?hpid=z1

Breaking: One of the “TALIBAN FIVE” Swapped for Bergdahl Returns to Terror










Washington (CNN)The U.S. military and intelligence community now suspect that one of the five Taliban detainees released from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in May of last year has attempted to return to militant activity from his current location in Qatar, CNN has learned exclusively.

The development has led to an ongoing debate inside the administration about whether there is a new threat from this man, and potentially the other four.

This is the first known suggestion that any of the detainees involved in the exchange may be trying to engage again in militant activity. It comes at a politically sensitive time as the administration has quickened the pace of prisoner release in an effort to encourage the closure of the Guantanamo, and the Army must decide in the coming weeks whether and how to punish Bergdahl for leaving his post.

Several U.S. officials across different agencies and branches of the U.S. government have confirmed key details to CNN. The White House referred CNN to the Pentagon.

The officials would not say which of the five men is suspected. But an ongoing U.S. intelligence program to secretly intercept and monitor all of their communications in Qatar turned up evidence in recent months that one of them has "reached out" to try to encourage militant activity, one official said. The official would offer no further details.

Under current law, this act placed the man in the category of being "suspected" of re-engaging in terrorist or insurgent activities. However, several officials say there is now a debate inside the administration that the intelligence may be stronger than the "suspected" classification. Some elements of the intelligence community believe the information is strong enough to classify the man as "confirmed" for returning to illegal activities. All five men are having their communications even more closely monitored right now, but the belief is there is no current threat, one official told CNN.

Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby tells CNN that in addition to its discussions with the Qatari government, the United States is working across its various law enforcement and intelligence agencies to address the issue.

"We have a strong security partnership with Qatar, and are in constant dialogue with Qatari government officials about these five detainees and we are confident that we would be able to mitigate any threat of re-engagement by any of these members," Kirby said in an interview that will air Thursday night on CNN's 'Erin Burnett Out Front.'

Under intelligence laws, the definition of "confirmed" for returning to militant activity is that there is a "preponderance of information which identifies a specific former GITMO detainee as directly involved in terrorist or insurgent activities."

The definition of 'suspected" is that there is "plausible but unverified or single-source reporting indicating a specific former Gitmo detainee is directly involved in terrorist or insurgent activities."

Congress has been notified of the information but it has not been made public.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/29/politics/bergdahl-swap-prisoner-militant-activity/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_allpolitics+(RSS:+Politics)



EDIT: As a reminder:

Hillary Clinton said The Taliban Five Are “Not A Threat To The United States.”

CLINTON: “These five guys are not a threat to the United States. They are a threat to the safety and security of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It’s up to those two countries to make the decision once and for all that these are threats to them. So I think we may be kind of missing the bigger picture here. We want to get an American home, whether they fell off the ship because they were drunk or they were pushed or they jumped, we try to rescue everybody.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98KwPioW9LQ

I would not say that the US military is slaughtering innocent people. Most people killed by the military are somehow involved in a war against the US.

Soldier: Bowe Bergdahl lodged false war crime allegations against his unit



An Army veteran who served alongside Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in Afghanistan said Wednesday that the long-captive soldier was deeply frustrated with the mission and had lodged false allegations that their unit had carried out atrocities.

Bergdahl “didn’t understand why we were doing more humanitarian aid drops, setting up clinics, and helping the populous instead of hunting the Taliban,” former Spec. Cody Full told lawmakers during a hearing on the exchange of Bergdahl for five Taliban detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. “He wanted to hunt and kill.” [...]

Full, who was honorably discharged and served with Bergdahl in the same fire team, the military’s smallest type of organized unit, railed against Bergdahl’s attitude during his deployment in 2009 and rejected media reports that he was a sensitive young man trying to define himself during a time of war. His handwritten journal, along with essays, stories and e-mails provided to The Washington Post, painted him as a soldier full of worry about his own mental health and the situation in Afghanistan.

“Bergdahl was complaining to his parents that our platoon was committing atrocities instead of helping the local populous,” Full told members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “But he was telling our platoon that we needed to stop trying to win hearts and minds and focus more on killing the Taliban.”

Full also dismissed suggestions that Bergdahl’s platoon had discipline issues.

“It’s a ridiculous charge,” Full said. “Security was always in place. These acts of common sense survival did not jeopardize the security or put anyone in danger.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/06/18/soldier-bowe-bergdahl-lodged-false-war-crime-allegations-against-his-unit/