The US armed forces have killed far, far more innocent civilians than the Taliban. Orders of magnitude more. And not just in Afghanistan, but all over the world.
What he said.
Topic: Was U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl a Traitor? - page 2. (Read 7792 times)
What he said.
We use our military far to often but to draw some sort of moral equivalency between the Taliban and the US army is a bit disgusting. Welcome to my ignore list.
The US armed forces have killed far, far more innocent civilians than the Taliban. Orders of magnitude more. And not just in Afghanistan, but all over the world.
Now you can add me to your ignore list too. You're already ignoring reality; you might as well ignore those who allude to it.
Where I live, if an employee want to terminate his employment, then he has to remain in the job for a certain a notice period (depends upon the T&C). It can be a few days, or it can be a few months.
Where I live, that is convention, but it would be very strange if walking out of your job meant you were kidnapped at gunpoint and put in a cage. That sounds a little less like employment and more like something else...
And he left as per his wish.
Where I live, if an employee want to terminate his employment, then he has to remain in the job for a certain a notice period (depends upon the T&C). It can be a few days, or it can be a few months. The employer can get a replacement for him in the meantime. In case the employer waives his notice period, he can leave the company immediately.
He was a paid employee of the United States Armed Forces, and he joined as per his wish.
And he left as per his wish.
No one forced him to join the USAF. But once you join the USAF, you have to abide by the laws and regulations, which are outlined by it.
And what if he only realised the extent of the crimes committed by the US after arriving in Afghanistan? What if this was the driving factor? I don't know that this is what happened, but hypothetically?
Perhaps he also learned that there is no nobility or honour in serving power.
Legal options? Legal options laid down by the regime perpetrating the terror in question? There's a certain amount of irony there.
He was a paid employee of the United States Armed Forces, and he joined as per his wish. No one forced him to join the USAF. But once you join the USAF, you have to abide by the laws and regulations, which are outlined by it. If he was against the war in Afghanistan, then he had a better option of staying at home, doing some other job.
We use our military far to often but to draw some sort of moral equivalency between the Taliban and the US army is a bit disgusting. Welcome to my ignore list.
It's perhaps a little unfair to make that comparison. The US military after all is far better at slaughtering innocent people than the Taliban will ever be.
The fact that he got others killed is a real problem for him.
But why are other Americans who slaughter innocents in Afghanistan not held to account?
You post smells of subservience to power. A common smell on this forum, which is odd, considering what this forum is.
How about the Taliban's victims?
He was part of the US war machine, it's only natural he was more acutely aware of its victims.
The Taliban aren't nice people. But let's not pretend that the US military are any better.
We use our military far to often but to draw some sort of moral equivalency between the Taliban and the US army is a bit disgusting. Welcome to my ignore list.
So he felt more compassion for the Afghan victims of US terror. Great, that makes him human. Maybe he's a conscientious objector, maybe he's an idiot. I don't really care. The fact that he was able to view victims of US terror with compassion sets him apart from his accomplices in Afghanistan.
If he felt compassion for the victims of US terror, then there were a large number of legal options for him to quit his job. Instead, he is suspected of going AWOL, and thereby causing the death of multiple soldiers.
The fact that he got others killed is a real problem for him. There will be a clamor for involuntary manslaughter charges as his negligence did in fact cause the death of others. If it can be proven that he was in any way involved with the killings he will face the death penalty. I hope this was just a case of a disillusioned soldier that made a bad choice. Either way this is all a hell of a propaganda coupe for the Taliban.
If he felt compassion for the victims of US terror, then there were a large number of legal options for him to quit his job. Instead, he is suspected of going AWOL, and thereby causing the death of multiple soldiers.
Legal options? Legal options laid down by the regime perpetrating the terror in question? There's a certain amount of irony there.
How about the Taliban's victims?
He was part of the US war machine, it's only natural he was more acutely aware of its victims.
The Taliban aren't nice people. But let's not pretend that the US military are any better.
So he felt more compassion for the Afghan victims of US terror. Great, that makes him human. Maybe he's a conscientious objector, maybe he's an idiot. I don't really care. The fact that he was able to view victims of US terror with compassion sets him apart from his accomplices in Afghanistan.
If he felt compassion for the victims of US terror, then there were a large number of legal options for him to quit his job. Instead, he is suspected of going AWOL, and thereby causing the death of multiple soldiers.
I think he should have been fired for deserting his role, but I don't think there should be any more serious a penalty than if I walked out of my job. The army is a profession, an employer, where people are trained, paid and follow orders. I don't see the legitimacy of any parallel legal structure to be subjected to.
So he felt more compassion for the Afghan victims of US terror. Great, that makes him human. Maybe he's a conscientious objector, maybe he's an idiot. I don't really care. The fact that he was able to view victims of US terror with compassion sets him apart from his accomplices in Afghanistan.
So he felt more compassion for the Afghan victims of US terror. Great, that makes him human. Maybe he's a conscientious objector, maybe he's an idiot. I don't really care. The fact that he was able to view victims of US terror with compassion sets him apart from his accomplices in Afghanistan.
How about the Taliban's victims?
I think he should have been fired for deserting his role, but I don't think there should be any more serious a penalty than if I walked out of my job. The army is a profession, an employer, where people are trained, paid and follow orders. I don't see the legitimacy of any parallel legal structure to be subjected to.
So he felt more compassion for the Afghan victims of US terror. Great, that makes him human. Maybe he's a conscientious objector, maybe he's an idiot. I don't really care. The fact that he was able to view victims of US terror with compassion sets him apart from his accomplices in Afghanistan.
So he felt more compassion for the Afghan victims of US terror. Great, that makes him human. Maybe he's a conscientious objector, maybe he's an idiot. I don't really care. The fact that he was able to view victims of US terror with compassion sets him apart from his accomplices in Afghanistan.
I wish him a safe return to the United States. I have spent a lot of time thinking about him over the course of several years. I worry about him and hope he gets rescued soon.
Hmm.. I thought that he was already back home. Seems like I was wrong. But I don't know whether he will be safe anywhere in the United States. A lot of threats were made against him and his family.
Our government has fucked us over again. How much longer do we want this shitshow to continue?
I wish him a safe return to the United States. I have spent a lot of time thinking about him over the course of several years. I worry about him and hope he gets rescued soon.
More drama on the way.
Bergdahl REFUSES to speak to parents after describing how Taliban kept him locked in a shark cage for WEEKS – as his homecoming parade is cancelled over death threats
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652026/Bow-Bergdahl-says-tortured-kept-locked-shark-cage-weeks-trying-escape-Taliban-twice-parents-receive-death-threats-people-furious-prisoner-swap.html
Bergdahl REFUSES to speak to parents after describing how Taliban kept him locked in a shark cage for WEEKS – as his homecoming parade is cancelled over death threats
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652026/Bow-Bergdahl-says-tortured-kept-locked-shark-cage-weeks-trying-escape-Taliban-twice-parents-receive-death-threats-people-furious-prisoner-swap.html
He was NOT a traitor. But he apparently left his post without permission and so was a borderline deserter. It's not like he was captured in a firefight or anything.
A soldier who leaves his post without permission is called a deserter, and not a borderline deserter. But we don't know the exact circumstances yet, and we are not sure whether he left his post on his own.
Exactly. I will withhold judgement until all the facts are in but it does not look good at this point.
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