Was U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl a Traitor? - page 5.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on June 04, 2014, 12:36:45 AM

I can't get pregnant and I don't think that I can convince my CO that I am an conscientious objector. Bottom line: there is no way for me to get out without prison time.

Wrong. If you developed a Conscience after joining the military, you can get a lawyer and get out.

It's not easy, but it's certainly easier than living then next 50 years as a murderer and a fool.

I realize the concept of standing up for morality is foreign to you, but please understand there was a time when a man's honor was important. People were willing to sacrifice comfort and convenience to keep their honor in tact because they knew it was the only thing which separated them from animals.

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 03, 2014, 11:18:00 PM

From what i have read about the note and everything he did it sounds a lot worse than it did at first. Especially considering the people that died trying to rescue him.

Anyway, let's not jump in to conclusions. Just wait until the trial is over. If he is guilty of deserting, then he should be put behind bars for the rest of his life. If proven otherwise, he should be released immediately.

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Quote from: Charlie Prime on June 03, 2014, 07:03:13 AM

Go read: http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/getout.htm

You should read your own link. If you are a random male soldier NONE of those ways will get you out without a criminal conviction, except *possibly* conscientious objector.

Let's use a concrete example. Imagine that I am a male soldier and that I have been in the army for one year. I can't get pregnant and I don't think that I can convince my CO that I am an conscientious objector. Bottom line: there is no way for me to get out without prison time.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 11:12:46 PM

Bergdahl to face the music.

US army chief Dempsey: Bowe Bergdahl could be prosecuted

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27682668

From what i have read about the note and everything he did it sounds a lot worse than it did at first. Especially considering the people that died trying to rescue him.

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Bergdahl to face the music.

US army chief Dempsey: Bowe Bergdahl could be prosecuted

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27682668

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Quote from: MaxwellsDemon on June 03, 2014, 10:45:03 AM

It seems like the man may have been a little nuts even before he left his base. Nevertheless, he's clearly a hero. Like his parents he was always opposed to American imperialism and supported the struggle of the Afghan people for freedom. The only reason he enlisted to begin with was because he thought he could help the Afghan people that way, and that is also the reason he left the base that night. Unfortunately, it seems the Taliban (who are almost as bad as the Americans) preferred to use him as a bargaining chip rather than let him join the cause. In a sense he really is a traitor to the US, its army and its imperialist program, and for that he should be proud.

You lost me at "almost as bad as the Americans."

You have some good points and some bad ones but your prejudice kind of undermines them.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 12:47:03 PM

Wilikon, the actual toll is much higher than the six soldiers which you have cited. You should also add up those soldiers, who died while trying to capture the five Taliban / Al Qaeda leaders.

Some numbers even go up to 14 soldiers killed, more or less linked to him. I just want to link stuff anyone can double check easily. If I ever stumble upon all those names then I will update the thread, eventually.

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Wilikon, the actual toll is much higher than the six soldiers which you have cited. You should also add up those soldiers, who died while trying to capture the five Taliban / Al Qaeda leaders.

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Quote from: MaxwellsDemon on June 03, 2014, 10:45:03 AM

It seems like the man may have been a little nuts even before he left his base. Nevertheless, he's clearly a hero. Like his parents he was always opposed to American imperialism and supported the struggle of the Afghan people for freedom. The only reason he enlisted to begin with was because he thought he could help the Afghan people that way, and that is also the reason he left the base that night. Unfortunately, it seems the Taliban (who are almost as bad as the Americans) preferred to use him as a bargaining chip rather than let him join the cause. In a sense he really is a traitor to the US, its army and its imperialist program, and for that he should be proud.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3162444/replies?c=28

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=1

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It seems like the man may have been a little nuts even before he left his base. Nevertheless, he's clearly a hero. Like his parents he was always opposed to American imperialism and supported the struggle of the Afghan people for freedom. The only reason he enlisted to begin with was because he thought he could help the Afghan people that way, and that is also the reason he left the base that night. Unfortunately, it seems the Taliban (who are almost as bad as the Americans) preferred to use him as a bargaining chip rather than let him join the cause. In a sense he really is a traitor to the US, its army and its imperialist program, and for that he should be proud.

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Everyone should go through this.

Bowe Bergdahl was traded for 5 Taliban commanders. Here’s who they are

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/06/02/bowe-bergdahl-was-traded-for-5-taliban-commanders-heres-who-they-are/

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on June 02, 2014, 11:43:27 PM

Quote from: Charlie Prime on June 02, 2014, 10:35:53 AM

This sucks because any kid dumb enough to join the military can formally quit and go home after they get in and see what's really going on.

Completely false. Please edit your post to delete this misinformation.

Go read: http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/getout.htm

While not as simple as just going AWOL, it's better to leave legally.

I purposely try to hire men who were smart enough to realize the U.S. military is a banker protection scam.

I purposely do NOT hire men who were so stupid they did a stretch without learning that fact.

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Quote from: Wilikon on June 03, 2014, 12:01:44 AM

State Dept: Bergdahl Was Not a Deserter
http://youtu.be/DT3HrSGl_9g

Bergdahl was not a deserter. He was a poor, young kid, who went to Afghanistan to fight the bankers wars. Should have found another job in the first place, rather than chosing to die for the politicians and the wall street demons.

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Quote from: Wilikon on June 03, 2014, 12:00:45 AM

It would be more constructive to add to the discussion links and proofs of that "misinformation". Unless you have forum post deletion super powers...

He's just making up nonsense, the burden of proof is his. He should edit his post to remove the misinformation.

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State Dept: Bergdahl Was Not a Deserter

http://youtu.be/DT3HrSGl_9g

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on June 02, 2014, 11:43:27 PM

Quote from: Charlie Prime on June 02, 2014, 10:35:53 AM

This sucks because any kid dumb enough to join the military can formally quit and go home after they get in and see what's really going on.

Completely false. Please edit your post to delete this misinformation.

It would be more constructive to add to the discussion links and proofs of that "misinformation". Unless you have forum post deletion super powers...

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I am going to with hold judgement. These kinds of things can affect people in different ways. I am glad he is free, I just wish we hadn't released hard core terrorists in the process.

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