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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 21, 2024, 03:42:30 PM

He owns the ability to answer to a basic Yes or No question

TwistyPhrasy will never answer a question that will make Wasabi look bad, and there really isn't any way to explain why would zkSNACKs buy information from chain analysis company, if they think it's inaccurate.

(Laughable) Answers to these questions have been given in here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60518076. To me, the TLDR is that you can't trust a single line of code coming from these people.

I'm not defending Kruw, but that, ser is such an irresponsible statement. You probably can't trust a single of code from Kruw's contributions/work in closed source project/proprietary software - IF he did any of that. But in Wasabi I believe all code/contributions from all developers are Open Source, no?

It's understandable that people ask questions because there's doubt, but let's stick with the facts and avoid mud-slinging.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 21, 2024, 03:42:30 PM

He owns the ability to answer to a basic Yes or No question

TwistyPhrasy will never answer a question that will make Wasabi look bad, and there really isn't any way to explain why would zkSNACKs buy information from chain analysis company, if they think it's inaccurate.

(Laughable) Answers to these questions have been given in here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60518076. To me, the TLDR is that you can't trust a single line of code coming from these people.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 21, 2024, 03:42:30 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 21, 2024, 05:23:27 AM

Those are my sentiments exactly. All I wanted was for him to state it by his own admission.

He owns the ability to answer to a basic Yes or No question, but he has clearly avoided this question in particular for years, along many others, while continuing this 'where proof?' childish behavior for what ever reason. This is clearly a question he is trying his hardest not to answer.

But that's his decision, and although he might be hiding something, he truly doesn't owe us anything if he wants his identity hidden. We merely need to accept that he's simply a "contributor" for zkSNACKS. But if anyone wants to meet him in person, you can introduce yourself and ask him his name and what his actual work is in zkSNACKS, you can do that in Prague.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 21, 2024, 05:23:27 AM

Those are my sentiments exactly. All I wanted was for him to state it by his own admission.

He owns the ability to answer to a basic Yes or No question, but he has clearly avoided this question in particular for years, along many others, while continuing this 'where proof?' childish behavior for what ever reason. This is clearly a question he is trying his hardest not to answer.

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Those are my sentiments exactly. All I wanted was for him to state it by his own admission. He still promotes himself as a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet" when anybody could request changes on Github whether they are implemented or rejected by the core team yet still cite himself a contributor. In the past he always given the impression he is someone associated far closer to zkSNACKs than he actually was.

In his recent posts, he even stated zkSNACKs shutdown last month (when they did not) and avoided answering what his relationship with zkSNACKs was. He seems like a fraud going around trying to link himself to a project he can latch on to and then overstates his importance to both stroke his overinflated ego as well as to try to fool people in to believing he is someone important.

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 21, 2024, 04:50:35 AM

If looking to it from a viewpoint of an actual Open Source project, a contributor means that - simply a programmer who makes pull requests, and contributes code to the project/proposes changes. Your question should be if he's an official employee of zkSNACKS/who receives a salary or a sort of compensation directly from the company. Because if not, then a contributor is a contributor who works for free.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 20, 2024, 07:14:21 AM

For some reason Kruw continues to claim zkSNACKs had shutdown last month but in reality it operates and continues to update Wasabi Wallet.

Kruw has labelled himself as a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet" without explaining what that means. With him failing to even answer the question or address the point and not bother explaining what it means no matter how many times you ask, shows he is very keen to not comment on it. If that is the case, he clearly has something to hide.

How difficult can it be for him to explain what his relationship with zkSNACKs is and to explain what he means when he claims to be a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet".

If looking to it from a viewpoint of an actual Open Source project, a contributor means that - simply a programmer who makes pull requests, and contributes code to the project/proposes changes. Your question should be if he's an official employee of zkSNACKS/who receives a salary or a sort of compensation directly from the company. Because if not, then a contributor is a contributor who works for free.

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For some reason Kruw continues to claim zkSNACKs had shutdown last month but in reality it operates and continues to update Wasabi Wallet.

Kruw has labelled himself as a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet" without explaining what that means. With him failing to even answer the question or address the point and not bother explaining what it means no matter how many times you ask, shows he is very keen to not comment on it. If that is the case, he clearly has something to hide.

How difficult can it be for him to explain what his relationship with zkSNACKs is and to explain what he means when he claims to be a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet".

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 20, 2024, 06:05:42 AM

zkSNACKs did not, was not and is not shut down yet when you describe yourself as a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet" but you are not willing to explain what that means. You already embarrassed yourself with your gutter-level conduct over recent months and now you are embarrassing yourself even further by avoiding to answer.

How did I "embarrass myself"?

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zkSNACKs did not, was not and is not shut down yet when you describe yourself as a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet" but you are not willing to explain what that means. You already embarrassed yourself with your gutter-level conduct over recent months and now you are embarrassing yourself even further by avoiding to answer.

If anybody from the audience or other guest speakers on the stage ask you to explain what "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet" means or what your relationship with zkSNACKS was, you would not have the luxury of hiding behind a screen and keyboard.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 18, 2024, 10:35:19 AM

There was no answer from you to the specific question.

Yes there was:

Quote from: Kruw on July 12, 2024, 10:27:04 AM

zkSNACKs shut down a month ago:

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 12:33:06 PM

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 20, 2024, 04:52:18 AM

I'm not debating for Bitcoin as more private simply because it has more users. I was merely thinking about the comparison from a theoretical perspective. The same question - If there are 10,000 CoinJoin users and then there are 100 Monero users, in theory would the users of Monero be easier to trace/identify and/or make less private?

I cannot give an answer, because the question is too vague. It depends. For example, if you want to trace a whale, then chances are, it's easier with coinjoins, because amounts are not hidden. In Monero, you don't even know when an output is being spent, therefore it's extremely unlikely you extract any information apart from the fact that you have 100 suspects.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on July 19, 2024, 05:37:51 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 19, 2024, 05:27:59 AM

What would be more private, let's pretend these are actual numbers of users - 10,000 CoinJoin users or 100 Monero users?

Those are rookie numbers. The Monero users are, by far, greater in number than Coinjoin users.

And no, the anonymity set of Bitcoin is not greater than Monero, just because it might have more users. The overwhelming majority keeps them on exchanges, under KYC, and from the rest, the majority of the coins are simply kept on a self-custodial wallet, without any privacy enhancements apart from coin control. A brief look at Bitcoin's current privacy options makes this clear.

I'm not debating for Bitcoin as more private simply because it has more users. I was merely thinking about the comparison from a theoretical perspective. The same question - If there are 10,000 CoinJoin users and then there are 100 Monero users, in theory would the users of Monero be easier to trace/identify and/or make less private?

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Quote from: Kruw on July 19, 2024, 09:21:14 AM

Tell me exactly how you calculated the number of Monero users and calculated the number of coinjoin users to compare to each other.

You are playing it stupid. There is no need to calculate, the difference is evident. Are you going to even bring up the ridiculous idea that Coin Join users may be more numerous than Monero users and not the other way around?

Quote from: Kruw on July 19, 2024, 10:07:16 AM

If you're just guessing, then why are you so quick to assert that your claims are "not debatable"?

There is nothing to debate in how the Monero protocol works. You can argue about the efficiency of its protocol to obfuscate and offer Privacy, but the way it works can not really be.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on July 19, 2024, 09:31:35 AM

Calm down, there is no evidence. It's just estimated, based on my personal experience. If solid evidence is what you're in favor of, then you can neither prove there are more Bitcoin users than Monero users, so the numbers remain rookie.

If you're just guessing, then why are you so quick to assert that your claims are "not debatable"?

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on July 18, 2024, 11:12:38 AM

It's not debatable.

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Quote from: Kruw on July 19, 2024, 09:21:14 AM

Tell me exactly how you calculated the number of Monero users and calculated the number of coinjoin users to compare to each other.

Calm down, there is no evidence. It's just estimated, based on my personal experience. If solid evidence is what you're in favor of, then you can neither prove there are more Bitcoin users than Monero users, so the numbers remain rookie.

What I do observe is 43 million Monero transactions, and how many Bitcoin coinjoins in total?

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on July 19, 2024, 05:37:51 AM

The Monero users are, by far, greater in number than Coinjoin users.

Tell me exactly how you calculated the number of Monero users and calculated the number of coinjoin users to compare to each other. I'm sure you are just making up numbers just like last time:

Quote from: Kruw on February 01, 2024, 01:12:59 PM

If you never calculated the Boltzmann score, then why did you claim the Boltzmann score for a WabiSabi coinjoin is "worse"?

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 01, 2024, 10:03:28 AM

There is an entire analysis technique called Boltzmann score that computes resistance to this potential linking. WabiSabi coinjoin is worse in that matter, as it appears in kycp.org.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 19, 2024, 05:27:59 AM

What would be more private, let's pretend these are actual numbers of users - 10,000 CoinJoin users or 100 Monero users?

Those are rookie numbers. The Monero users are, by far, greater in number than Coinjoin users.

And no, the anonymity set of Bitcoin is not greater than Monero, just because it might have more users. The overwhelming majority keeps them on exchanges, under KYC, and from the rest, the majority of the coins are simply kept on a self-custodial wallet, without any privacy enhancements apart from coin control. A brief look at Bitcoin's current privacy options makes this clear.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on July 18, 2024, 11:12:38 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 18, 2024, 11:03:17 AM

Shower thought. Monero is technically the most private cryptocurrency, and the best to do it, BUT because of its smaller anonymity-set, it perhaps could be debatable if it indeed it's more private than Bitcoin, no?

Every time you make a Monero transaction, your client picks 15 random inputs from the blockchain as decoys, hiding the true sender, and then it derives a one-time public key that's used to obfuscate the receiver, while simultaneously hiding the amounts transacted every time. And if those weren't enough, all these privacy gains are enforced compulsorily, by the protocol.

It's not debatable.

I'm having a shower thought about it more from the perspective of Law Enforcement in identifying privacy coins users, and because of the smaller anonymity-set, once they identify one group it could make it easier to identify other groups. But if we compare that to Bitcoin - total confusion because the number of users are simply bigger. Would that be a valid argument? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What would be more private, let's pretend these are actual numbers of users - 10,000 CoinJoin users or 100 Monero users?

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 18, 2024, 10:35:19 AM

There was no answer from you to the specific question.

You can check the replies by nopara73 in the topic Wasabi topic hijacked by crooked Kruw. He talks about Kruw being an ex zkSNACKs employee. If that's true, then he currently has no official connection to either zkSNACKs or Wasabi. nopara73 also stated that Kruw can't code. One liar is praising another liar, so take whatever you want from it.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 18, 2024, 10:35:19 AM

There was no answer from you to the specific question.

Yes there was:

Quote from: Kruw on July 12, 2024, 10:27:04 AM

zkSNACKs shut down a month ago:

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 12:33:06 PM

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 18, 2024, 11:03:17 AM

Shower thought. Monero is technically the most private cryptocurrency, and the best to do it, BUT because of its smaller anonymity-set, it perhaps could be debatable if it indeed it's more private than Bitcoin, no?

Every time you make a Monero transaction, your client picks 15 random inputs from the blockchain as decoys, hiding the true sender, and then it derives a one-time public key that's used to obfuscate the receiver, while simultaneously hiding the amounts transacted every time. And if those weren't enough, all these privacy gains are enforced compulsorily, by the protocol.

It's not debatable.

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