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Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 08, 2024, 03:46:06 AM

Quote from: PrivacyG on July 07, 2024, 11:39:15 AM

I will give some Money to a Terrorist Group. The actual purpose is that with no Money left, innocent kids and wives of Terrorists could die of hunger. Is my donation now justified and I am innocent or is it implicitly bad to donate to a known bad actor that works against us all?

Terrorist groups?

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Ser, that's a Straw Man Fallacy because terrorist groups spread terror and do actual nefarious things. zkSNACKS' developers were merely looking for a way to filter out "tainted" outputs, and they accepted the trade-offs to safeguard their coordinator from "taint". They were not giving money to terrorist groups.

Come on, no where did I try to assume they were giving Money to Terrorist groups. I think it is pretty evident I was simply giving an example for why the actual purpose of giving Money does not matter if it is sent to a bad actor. I even specifically mentioned this in the end of my example. You could have the most innocent purpose, it does not matter if the destination Wallet is of an Evil person, Organization or company.

But since you make it seem like I was calling it a Terrorist funding, I have a thing or two to say about the similarities,

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 08, 2024, 03:46:06 AM

Ser, that's a Straw Man Fallacy because terrorist groups spread terror and do actual nefarious things.

Blockchain Analysis companies spread terror and do nefarious things too. They are working against individuals and specifically against their Privacy, which to me qualifies under the term 'nefarious' very well. These companies are any thing but Saints or Innocent if you ask me.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 07, 2024, 11:39:15 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 07, 2024, 11:27:48 AM

If the actual purpose of paying for blockchain analysis is to filter the outputs coming into their coordinator from "taint", then perhaps not.

I will give some Money to a Terrorist Group. The actual purpose is that with no Money left, innocent kids and wives of Terrorists could die of hunger. Is my donation now justified and I am innocent or is it implicitly bad to donate to a known bad actor that works against us all?

Terrorist groups?

👀

Ser, that's a Straw Man Fallacy because terrorist groups spread terror and do actual nefarious things. zkSNACKS' developers were merely looking for a way to filter out "tainted" outputs, and they accepted the trade-offs to safeguard their coordinator from "taint". They were not giving money to terrorist groups.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 06, 2024, 06:17:19 AM

How about those who advertise as a Privacy oriented Service but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers too?

Of course not. Don't you know they are open-source and donate money to other open-source projects? You are only a scammer if you wear a signature of mixing service. Those are the rules we have always lived by. It's not like Kruw makes them up as he goes. And let me tell you another thing. zkSNACKs only funded blockchain analysis companies to keep the terrorists and scammers away. Damn those nasty terrorists, always trying to hurt us. Kruw was a big ambassador of that and hailed their actions. In fact, he loved the idea so much that his coordinator allows those same terrorists and scammers to coinjoin. But like I said, it's not like he makes up the rules as he goes. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 07, 2024, 01:24:39 PM

This was my question too but you will never receive a direct response from Kruw

He is clearly waiting again for us to write one more Reply or two so he finds the right part to nit pick and avoid our questions again, I am aware of that.

Hey Kruw, before you come up with this idiotic argument again,

Quote from: Kruw on June 26, 2024, 07:10:10 AM

You accused me of avoiding questions, yet, you ironically avoided my inquiry about which questions I avoided. Why can't you provide any evidence of this claim?

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on June 26, 2024, 07:27:48 AM

Every question from post #350 was just avoided.

Quote from: PrivacyG on June 26, 2024, 11:45:09 AM

Ask for evidence, evidence is proven, then you change the subject.

Quote from: Kruw on June 26, 2024, 11:50:29 AM

Where is the evidence? Provide a direct quote.

There are a few questions above this Reply you have avoided providing an answer to. Again! The glasses, Kruw, I always told you..

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 06, 2024, 06:17:19 AM

How about those who advertise as a Privacy oriented Service but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers too?

This was my question too but you will never receive a direct response from Kruw or Dont Trust Verify. It seems Dont Trust Verify is the advocate for Kruw. After-all he needs to shillers to to shill his statements.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 07, 2024, 11:27:48 AM

If the actual purpose of paying for blockchain analysis is to filter the outputs coming into their coordinator from "taint", then perhaps not.

I will give some Money to a Terrorist Group. The actual purpose is that with no Money left, innocent kids and wives of Terrorists could die of hunger. Is my donation now justified and I am innocent or is it implicitly bad to donate to a known bad actor that works against us all?

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 07, 2024, 10:23:13 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 07, 2024, 04:07:37 AM

Don't they merely use those services to filter "tainted" outputs instead of something more "nefarious"? Or are they actually hiding something from their users/general public? Because if it's data from outputs before the outputs went though the coordinator that's being shared, then what can ANY coordinator actually do. That data is transparent on the blockchain.

Are you saying that it's data AFTER CoinJoin that's being shared with agencies?

I am saying they are practically paying a company to offer them Blockchain Analysis Services. Which correct me if I am wrong, but to me it is the same thing as paying to continue and support their work of collecting and sharing data. What else are they paying for if not for the results of Blockchain Analysis work?

I agree Blockchain Analysis is something anybody can do on their own at any time and the funding from partners may not necessarily significantly impact the survival of Blockhain Analysis, but think of it like a Terrorist acting solely on their own versus receiving funds. The activity would increase, they would have more opportunities, the impact would be much larger.

In consequence, here comes the question for Kruw again.

Services who advertise as Privacy oriented but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers?

If the actual purpose of paying for blockchain analysis is to filter the outputs coming into their coordinator from "taint", then perhaps not. They're not scammers. Because from zkSNACKS' viewpoint, what if a criminal cabal started to use their coordinator, and they simply didn't check or care what outputs came in? The F.B.I. would be after them.

They took the trade-off and they probably thought that if some people in the community will not like it, then they could use another coordinator.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on July 07, 2024, 04:07:37 AM

Don't they merely use those services to filter "tainted" outputs instead of something more "nefarious"? Or are they actually hiding something from their users/general public? Because if it's data from outputs before the outputs went though the coordinator that's being shared, then what can ANY coordinator actually do. That data is transparent on the blockchain.

Are you saying that it's data AFTER CoinJoin that's being shared with agencies?

I am saying they are practically paying a company to offer them Blockchain Analysis Services. Which correct me if I am wrong, but to me it is the same thing as paying to continue and support their work of collecting and sharing data. What else are they paying for if not for the results of Blockchain Analysis work?

I agree Blockchain Analysis is something anybody can do on their own at any time and the funding from partners may not necessarily significantly impact the survival of Blockhain Analysis, but think of it like a Terrorist acting solely on their own versus receiving funds. The activity would increase, they would have more opportunities, the impact would be much larger.

In consequence, here comes the question for Kruw again.

Services who advertise as Privacy oriented but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers?

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 06, 2024, 06:17:19 AM

Quote from: Dont Trust Verify on July 05, 2024, 10:10:45 PM

That’s not how it works. Users data was never collected by third parties.

You misinterpreted my question. Read it again.

How about those who advertise as a Privacy oriented Service but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers too?

Don't they merely use those services to filter "tainted" outputs instead of something more "nefarious"? Or are they actually hiding something from their users/general public? Because if it's data from outputs before the outputs went though the coordinator that's being shared, then what can ANY coordinator actually do. That data is transparent on the blockchain.

Are you saying that it's data AFTER CoinJoin that's being shared with agencies?

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Quote from: Dont Trust Verify on July 05, 2024, 10:10:45 PM

That’s not how it works. Users data was never collected by third parties.

You misinterpreted my question. Read it again.

How about those who advertise as a Privacy oriented Service but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers too?

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Quote from: icopress on June 28, 2024, 08:39:00 AM

Quote from: PrivacyG on June 28, 2024, 08:07:49 AM

If this is what you believe, then why did the Wasabi Signature Campaign accept Criminals for the most part? I wonder what all these participants think about your accusations too.

For a second I thought you were questioning my management skills.

Hahaha!

By the way, Kruw I heard that Wasabi Wallet's development will be taken over be two open source developers for free? It's probably what the project actually needs to remove it from the "stain" of using blockchain analytics services to filer outputs.

I believe that it should be forked too, and be another "flavor" like different flavors of Linux.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on July 05, 2024, 01:59:39 PM

How about those who advertise as a Privacy oriented Service but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers too?

That’s not how it works. Users data was never collected by third parties. Wasabi doesn’t have the ability to collect any useful information to begin with. They don’t know your IP. They don’t have your XPUB. If they did, I would certainly consider them scammers like many privacy services that were being advertised and recommended by members of this forum despite the massive risk of losing funds and leaking your transaction history.

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Quote from: Kruw on June 29, 2024, 09:34:15 AM

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on June 29, 2024, 09:08:38 AM

You really think you are going to make us believe that you have zero knowledge about everything that happened all over about Wasabi

I'm not asking you to believe anything, I'm asking you to verify it.

You are lying, which is why you didn't attach any proof whatsoever for your statement. You never asked BitcoinGirl.Club to verify, you blatant liar. Questions end with '?' while yours was a statement telling every body, not solely BitcoinGirl.Club, that Wasabi can be verified.

Quote from: Kruw on June 29, 2024, 08:01:45 AM

Anyone can verify this themselves since all of the code is open source: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi

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Quote from: Kruw on June 29, 2024, 08:18:41 AM

It's not trolling, it's the truth. You are a scammer and I have your confession to prove it:

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 17, 2023, 08:30:46 PM

I'm so pissed off because I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

You are lying, which is why you did not attach any valid proof whatsoever for your statement. The only 'proof' you have is the feeling of betrayal portrayed by BlackHatCoiner. Feelings are not proof of anything.

Today I ate a burrito using a fork and a knife. I was told that is not how I am supposed to eat a burrito and I even taught my kids to eat burritos that way. Now I feel like a Criminal.

There you go. Valid proof and full confession of PrivacyG in exclusivity on your Thread! Call the cops, I am a Criminal!

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on June 28, 2024, 02:08:50 PM

[2] How about those who advertise as a privacy oriented service but then they share data with agencies, are they scammers too?

Yes they are scammers, this data collection is exactly that "mixing sites" do. You gain no privacy when you use a "mixing site", the operator is completely aware of the transaction history linked to every user.

How about those who advertise as a Privacy oriented Service but then they pay a Third Party to collect and share data with Agencies, are they Scammers too?

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Quote from: Kruw on June 25, 2024, 08:44:42 AM

Block 849436 after the fee spike earlier was dominated by coinjoin transactions Grin

Check out the coinjoins in block 849514: https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000001a33b2531cfb2fe3e8ccae515a4a8d9d468d2e8940b02

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on June 29, 2024, 09:08:38 AM

You really think you are going to make us believe that you have zero knowledge about everything that happened all over about Wasabi

I'm not asking you to believe anything, I'm asking you to verify it. All of the code is open source: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi

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Quote from: Kruw on June 29, 2024, 08:54:30 AM

You are lying, which is why you didn't attach any proof whatsoever for your statement.

You really think you are going to make us believe that you have zero knowledge about everything that happened all over about Wasabi and asking proof from me? You want this topic to be in at the top in the search engine and to give you a good signal for the people who are searching for a wallet? You are doing well so far.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on June 29, 2024, 08:47:39 AM

You are helping blockchain analysis companies where you advertise yourself is a privacy oriented company is contradictory of your marketing idea and you are a scam.

You are lying, which is why you didn't attach any proof whatsoever for your statement.

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Quote from: Kruw on June 29, 2024, 08:01:45 AM

You're lying, Wasabi does not share absolutely any data with absolutely anyone, your data never leaves your device. Anyone can verify this themselves since all of the code is open source: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi

You are helping blockchain analysis companies where you advertise yourself is a privacy oriented company is contradictory of your marketing idea and you are a scam.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on June 29, 2024, 08:16:08 AM

I'd recommend you all to stop feeding the troll. We've had enough of this drama already.

It's not trolling, it's the truth. You are a scammer and I have your confession to prove it:

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 17, 2023, 08:30:46 PM

Is there a chance some really big shit is going on in their lives, and they are incapable of going online? For like... A month? I really can't believe this is an exit scam. The service seemed legitimate.

I'm really pissed off, and not because I lost money; fortunately, I had grasped that "don't leave coins to third parties" cliché. I'm so pissed off because I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

It makes you question the integrity of the service you're currently carrying in your signature.

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Farewell, Leo

Everyone but he and his buddies is a scammer. People who promoted mixing sites in their signatures, icopress for managing mixing sites' campaigns, search engines for displaying mixing sites in their search results. Mixing sites themselves, of course! Samourai and every other privacy solution for not following their protocol.

I'd recommend you all to stop feeding the troll. We've had enough of this drama already.

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