Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software - page 17. (Read 10786 times)

You asked for a post that shows you convincing people that giving up control of your coins was necessary to obtain privacy:


I provided a post where you claimed that forfeiting custody was required because privacy "falls short at the protocol level":

Lol. Read again what I've asked, and then what you've quoted.

Here you go:

So we are making up new accusations now, are we? According to Kruw, those people are scammers who have stolen money and should return it to their victims. On top of that, users with mixer signatures were also doing their best to convince users that giving up custody of their coins was the only way to attain privacy. Fabulous story. 

Let's expand on that flawed logic a bit, shall we. Operators and promoters of coinjoin coordinators are thieves and scammers because they expose users to malicious services created to steal their coins as we saw with WasabiCoordinator. Expanding the flawed logic even further: anyone who runs, promotes, or defends such business practices is a thief who should be ashamed of themselves and should also return the money they stole asap. To go fully crazy, let me ask you and Kruw when are you planning to return the bitcoin you stole with Wasabi and its malicious coordinators? I see no flaws in my logic here.

Find me one post of mine where I am convinced or have convinced another person that giving up control of your coins is necessary to attain privacy.

How is that business model different from coordinators, especially when you have services like WasabiCoordinator which were able to find ways to "steal" user funds by using excessive rounds as well?

The reality is, when you use any privacy service that anonymizes coins, you have to trust that they won't find an exploit in the protocol to drain all of the money. The only case where you don't need to trust is when the privacy is baked into the protocol like in Monero.

Mixers and promoters of those services aren’t scammers because of the clients they attract, they are scammers because they convince users that giving up control of their coins is necessary in order to attain privacy. Those who recommended custodial mixers as a privacy solution exposed countless people to the risk of theft through exit scams and selective stealing, not to mention having their information logged and handed over to authorities.

What was wrong with the answer you received the first time?

What is stopping you from directly answering the question without either by using misdirection or by using walls of text:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64318299

An answer or explanation is long overdue. What exactly is a "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet"? Can you explain what your relationship with zkSNACKS is? If you post an answer without trying to hide behind unnecessary words and misdirection, it will save myself or any other member asking about this again.

The only one I can vouch for is OpenCoordinator, having spoke to them privately.

Yeah, it's another problem with current sidechain. Nobody knows whether Drivechain will ever reach mainnet (due to BIP 300 & 301 requirement), while other L2 (e.g. https://bitvm.org/bitvm2.html and https://bitcoinrollups.org/) still require some trust.

The Bitcoin protocol doesn't need to be modified to coinjoin though. Coinjoins provide privacy on Bitcoin today: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63551707

@ABCbits, there is no sidechain with trustless peg in and out. The Bitcoin protocol has to be modified for such sidechain implementation to be possible.

Sidechain exist. But due to peg-in/peg-out requirement, i doubt such sidechain (which implement privacy features) can rival Monero's privacy.


How about of joinstr[1], joinmarket[2] and other WabiSabi coordinator[3]?

[1] https://joinstr.xyz/
[2] https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver
[3] https://wabisator.com/

Since you are now running a coordinator that anyone can use, that means you created it to launder money, help hackers "wash" their stolen coins, finance terrorism, and provide a service perfect for pedophiles and similar predators. Why are you doing that? Why do you want to help such scum? I know you are scum yourself, but I thought there are limits. Obviously there aren't. 

I have stooped down to your level of thinking. If that "specific forum member" was a scammer, then you provide a front for scammers, pedophiles, and thieves to coinjoin. That makes you the biggest scammer and scumbug by a mile.   

That's a post from 2019, but you are free to keep quoting it for the next 50 years, if you so please, and whenever it seems convenient. That was way back in the past. In the meantime, you and your handlers have become a pro-censorship and blockchain-analysis-funding service. You are also rejects that were turned down by the institutions you so desperately wanted to please. Must be hard being willing to bend down at the waist and accept everything that is coming only to find out that no one wants you.   

"Hounded" for what exactly? It seems you completely forgot to mention that "specific forum member" was using this forum and this thread specifically for scamming: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63517432

I'm proud of calling out these scammers. I'd suggest you listen to staff about these "mixing site" scams as well:

Yes he definitely saw it and definitely avoided answering.

It really is somewhat strange to see silence from someone that has been extremely vocal and outspoken (as well as provocative) on a regular basis over a long period of time when just a simple question was put forward to him. He avoided answering yet when he wanted to accuse members of making posts that sided with him by deliberately taking their posts out of context and attributing them back in a way that was never intended, he would never stay quiet.

Also the way he hounded a specific forum member that is no longer with us clearly demonstrated Kruw is more than capable of getting in to gutter-level posting patterns but only when it suits him or his needs or quite obviously his overinflated ego.

I was under no doubt it is the same Kruw/Kruwed but wanted him to explain using his own words what according to him was the exact extent of his relationship with zkSNACKs. Simply being labelled as a self-styled "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet" does not mean a lot because it is impossible to understand what even means.

For example, as a comparator we are all contributors to this forum but the context of our contribution is almost specific when it comes to posts.

Here is Kruw being mentioned for the BTC Prague event in 2025. It states "Contributor to Wasabi Wallet. Kruw is an observer of Austrian economics, game theory, and bitcoin privacy."

If anybody is in town at the time and wants to go meet him in person to ask questions about Austrian economics, game theory and bitcoin privacy as well as WasabiWallet/zkSNACKS and on far too many occasions his unacceptable conduct when posting in this forum, I am sure he will welcome it.

Trezor didn't remove their coinjoin feature because of what happened to Samurai and their developers. Coinjoining with Trezor is no longer available because of zkSNACKs' decision to stop their coinjoin feature. zkSNACKs was the most used coordinator, and Trezor used it as well. Trezor could have switched to a different coordinator but there are/were no quality alternatives.     

Such as? Wasabi is the last one standing.

Trezor has recently removed their coinjoin feature because of the situation with Samurai.

Privacy is actively researched at https://getmonero.org. Anyone serious about privacy should switch to Monero.

There is no holy grail of privacy in Bitcoin, and there probably never will be due to Layer 1 limitations.