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There is currently a vote on which ERC20 tokens should be listed on the DEX, voting.wavesplatform.com

But my question is: what's the point of the vote? If they want to start listing ERC20 tokens, then just list them all. It's not like it's really more work for them.

If the point is just to show how blockchain voting can work, as a proof of concept, then they have also failed on this point. Let me explain...

Just like the DEX, they try to pass it off as decentralized while in reality, it is centralized. As we have seen with the recent DNS hijacking, the dex is controlled by a single server. Yes, there is the capability for people to run their own DEX if they want, but the current DEX that all the clients use is just one server, just one Matcher that gets all the trading fees. NOT decentralized.

The voting is similar. They have you verify your account through client.wavesplatform.com. Okay, nothing wrong with that, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and just trust that they're not saving your private keys. They use this to verify your Waves address and record your vote. When voting closes, they tally up the number of WCT that each account has, to use as their voting power, and the token with the most WCT voted for it wins.

The problem here, if you didn't realize, is that the votes themselves are not recorded on a blockchain. What's to stop them from saying that an account with alot of WCT voted for something when really they didn't? Yep, it's centralized - they can completely control the results of the vote.


Hello. There will be a payment gateway for ERC20 tokens as a temporary decision before atomic swaps. Obviously there are difficulties with implementing a new payment gateway because Waves Platform has only the following gateways: Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Zcach, Bitcoin Cash, Dash and Monero. That's why it's not very easy to add all Ethereum-based tokens via payment gateways.
Speaking about voting, it's impossible to be included in the list of voters without taking part in voting because anyone can check the list of wallets there. There's no point in this.

Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager
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WAVES LEFT TO DIE IN 2020

Check Twitter, https://twitter.com/Ebunayo08/status/1025785794894745605

Sasha had an internal presentation outlining the company's short- and long-term plans.

Fall 2018
- Vostok launch
- NTC contracts launch

Winter 2019
- Turing complete contracts launch
- R&D work on off-chain protocols, state channels, secure POS, confidentiality
- Waves side-chains

2020
- Integration of Vostok in large enterprises
- Maturation of the Waves blockchain
- Moving on to the next generation of open blockchains

So.... "moving on"... ouch


Wow two consecutive fud posts! This guy is trying hard.  Grin Grin Grin
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WAVES LEFT TO DIE IN 2020

Check Twitter, https://twitter.com/Ebunayo08/status/1025785794894745605

Sasha had an internal presentation outlining the company's short- and long-term plans.

Fall 2018
- Vostok launch
- NTC contracts launch

Winter 2019
- Turing complete contracts launch
- R&D work on off-chain protocols, state channels, secure POS, confidentiality
- Waves side-chains

2020
- Integration of Vostok in large enterprises
- Maturation of the Waves blockchain
- Moving on to the next generation of open blockchains

So.... "moving on"... ouch
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There is currently a vote on which ERC20 tokens should be listed on the DEX, voting.wavesplatform.com

But my question is: what's the point of the vote? If they want to start listing ERC20 tokens, then just list them all. It's not like it's really more work for them.

If the point is just to show how blockchain voting can work, as a proof of concept, then they have also failed on this point. Let me explain...

Just like the DEX, they try to pass it off as decentralized while in reality, it is centralized. As we have seen with the recent DNS hijacking, the dex is controlled by a single server. Yes, there is the capability for people to run their own DEX if they want, but the current DEX that all the clients use is just one server, just one Matcher that gets all the trading fees. NOT decentralized.

The voting is similar. They have you verify your account through client.wavesplatform.com. Okay, nothing wrong with that, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and just trust that they're not saving your private keys. They use this to verify your Waves address and record your vote. When voting closes, they tally up the number of WCT that each account has, to use as their voting power, and the token with the most WCT voted for it wins.

The problem here, if you didn't realize, is that the votes themselves are not recorded on a blockchain. What's to stop them from saying that an account with alot of WCT voted for something when really they didn't? Yep, it's centralized - they can completely control the results of the vote.

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I think those three reasons explained everything about the alternative coins market of which Waves is also member. Volatility level is very high which created fears and uncertainty in people and they are not willing to inject money into any market regardless of the potential. We can see priec of many markets are down but investors are very careful and are nor ready for unwilling risks.
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I wonder if op will be found dead from making so much loss
OP is sitting on his pile of bitcoins, not giving shit about his community and looking for more opportunities to vacuum money.
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waves is one of the extreme investment platforms. with an age that he had not been able to play very well and made many investors now feel disadvantaged because of falling prices at the moment. If the company does not move to improve the current situation then waves just the same as last year's failed project startjoin and eat many casualties

I think there are currently three factors that make the price so bad:

1) The uncertainty of the investors as it stands around Vostok and Waves and to what extent the team prefers Vostok for Waves in the future
2) The delays in implementing smart contract feature. It was announced for June, but have not been released so far
3) And finally the general altcoin downtrend
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Sasha is clearly starting to sell off his last stake in Waves and is getting out before the price crashes to 0.  Sasha is one whale that I wouldn't mind seeing harpooned. Angry

View the list of top 100 Waves holders. They are definitely not selling at this price lol


So, people are abandoning Waves in droves, and you think that's better? LOL!  Cheesy Sasha has definitely sold some of his coins already - or do you think he's willing to lose everything, like us plebs?

74% of the waves are in LPoS. Is it a sign of distrust?

http://dev.pywaves.org/lpos/


Seems a good thing to me...on the other side, since there aren't many waves in circulation, if a whale decide to sell (likely that's what happened in the last weeks), the price go down quickly and hard.
By the Sasha's plan this was to lead to shortages and rising prices. But he could not even think that there would be no people willing to buy.  Wink
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Smell of placebo sockpuppet accounts   Smiley
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74% of the waves are in LPoS. Is it a sign of distrust?

I'm talking about the wider community, NOT Waves bag holders desperate to earn a crust! Waves is now ranked 53rd. Numerous Waves investors are now so despondent that they're drugged up to the eyeballs to cope.  Kiss <-- one such investor - he's so out of it, he thinks he's female!

After Sasha switched on the marketing efforts, people really saw what Waves was and abandoned it! Grin
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Sasha is clearly starting to sell off his last stake in Waves and is getting out before the price crashes to 0.  Sasha is one whale that I wouldn't mind seeing harpooned. Angry

View the list of top 100 Waves holders. They are definitely not selling at this price lol


So, people are abandoning Waves in droves, and you think that's better? LOL!  Cheesy Sasha has definitely sold some of his coins already - or do you think he's willing to lose everything, like us plebs?

74% of the waves are in LPoS. Is it a sign of distrust?

http://dev.pywaves.org/lpos/


Seems a good thing to me...on the other side, since there aren't many waves in circulation, if a whale decide to sell (likely that's what happened in the last weeks), the price go down quickly and hard.
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I'll thank the community manager for the quick answer, I'am sure we all appreciate it, and we do hope that the problem can be fixed. An active and reliable DeX is a big part of the appeal of the platform. As for prices well crypto will always be crypto they come and go.
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Hi guys, I have an issue with the Des using the official waves client. I have been using the chrome extension for a long time, but it is dying off, and in fact is not properly working today, so I switched to the waves client (I know I am a bit slow) and tried to pass some orders using it, but whenever I try (I have more than enough active waves to buy what I am trying to buy, I get a message saying "something is wrong" when I press the buy or sell button whatever I am trying to buy or sell. Is it a general issue or am I just missing something. I combed the forum and could not find anything related to that type of problem.
have a good day and remember that bulls and bears follow each other
Greetings!
We are pleased that you use our platform. By the way, we just got out of Beta. Speaking about your issue, there are some problem with DEX at this moment after the restart of the Matcher. This is a general problem, some users have this hardship, some of them not. So this situation is not only by your side, don't worry. Please check the pairs a little bit later. We'll fix this asap. Your patience is much appreciated!

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

We are all affected with the DEX Problem, We hope it will be fixed soon,
Still we do believe in WavesPlatform

Regards from Redfishcoin Community
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I think all of these tokens like ARK, Ethereum and Waves are pretty much going to die off. This is the first time I have ever posted but it is obvious that ICOs are overrated and mostly produce junk coins. EOS and tokens like NXT are by far superior not only in transaction speed but they offer Airdrops. In other words, a platform like EOS is not really that risky and EOS and NXT holders get free tokens when other companies join their platforms. I am hedging a little myself by holding WAVES but I do not see it ever growing like EOS. Diversify folks.

Man, you have no idea what you talk about do you? OES does not even have a proper working platform yet and is as risky as any other crypto project. Next to that, Waves-NG protocol is one of the fastest blockchain techs available in the space and certainly can match NXT. Also, by owning and leasing Waves you reveice regular airdops (incl. a lot of spam). Airdrops should not be the business model of any crypto, either should ICOs be. The only sustainable business model is mass adoption by daily uses from companies and people for a wide variaty of uses cases. This takes time to be developed and adopted.

also it seems that EOS can freeze accounts at will, hence definitely centralized.
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Hi guys, I have an issue with the Des using the official waves client. I have been using the chrome extension for a long time, but it is dying off, and in fact is not properly working today, so I switched to the waves client (I know I am a bit slow) and tried to pass some orders using it, but whenever I try (I have more than enough active waves to buy what I am trying to buy, I get a message saying "something is wrong" when I press the buy or sell button whatever I am trying to buy or sell. Is it a general issue or am I just missing something. I combed the forum and could not find anything related to that type of problem.
have a good day and remember that bulls and bears follow each other
Greetings!
We are pleased that you use our platform. By the way, we just got out of Beta. Speaking about your issue, there are some problem with DEX at this moment after the restart of the Matcher. This is a general problem, some users have this hardship, some of them not. So this situation is not only by your side, don't worry. Please check the pairs a little bit later. We'll fix this asap. Your patience is much appreciated!

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager
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Hi guys, I have an issue with the Des using the official waves client. I have been using the chrome extension for a long time, but it is dying off, and in fact is not properly working today, so I switched to the waves client (I know I am a bit slow) and tried to pass some orders using it, but whenever I try (I have more than enough active waves to buy what I am trying to buy, I get a message saying "something is wrong" when I press the buy or sell button whatever I am trying to buy or sell. Is it a general issue or am I just missing something. I combed the forum and could not find anything related to that type of problem.
have a good day and remember that bulls and bears follow each other
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​​Moscow! They’ve teamed up with Binary District again to bring you the latest leg in the Waves Summer Roadshow, 'Blockchain for the People'. Expect insight into blockchain’s potential to seamlessly transform their everyday lives, all led by their CEO, Sasha Ivanov. Don’t miss out!

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The coinomat investors deserve to get their funds back, it's been 2 years ... shameful

Last I heard there were legal hurdles that needed to be solved first before Sasha can start a legit asset fund that's fully legal, so as not to attract negative attention from regulators like the SEC. That might be complete BS, but it might also be true. The lack of communication is a magnet for discontent though, can't really justify leaving people in the dark for so long.


Any news on Coinomat asset swaps, it's really hard to defend the lack of action with coinomat assets when Sasha moves on to Vostok project.

Hello Nashamoto.
All available information at this moment can be found here: https://twitter.com/wavesplatform and https://twitter.com/sasha35625


Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager
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The coinomat investors deserve to get their funds back, it's been 2 years ... shameful

Last I heard there were legal hurdles that needed to be solved first before Sasha can start a legit asset fund that's fully legal, so as not to attract negative attention from regulators like the SEC. That might be complete BS, but it might also be true. The lack of communication is a magnet for discontent though, can't really justify leaving people in the dark for so long.


Any news on Coinomat asset swaps, it's really hard to defend the lack of action with coinomat assets when Sasha moves on to Vostok project.
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