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I am following Waves for a while now, and I am a big fan of the platform and like the direction it is going.
I have a number of questions regarding the new developments on the Waves platform and would like to assess and understand their intrinsic risks better, it would be great if somebody could provide more knowledge or point me to a FAQ (if it exists)

1) The Staking rewards for the LP tokens are pretty high right now. (Like 10-15% for BTC and ETH and >40% for USDC and USDT)
It is mentioned in the description of the Waves.exchange that the price of the LP tokens can never go down (however details are not mentioned). How is this possible? While logically this does make some sense to me for the stablecoins, I don't understand how this is achieved for volatile cryptos such as BTC or ETH? Is the liquidity there only provided to assets that are stable to BTC (or ETH respectively)? Or how is it done?

2) What are the risks of the Staking the LP coins? Of course I could imagine some sort of smart contract bug. Is there any other "black swan" event for those tokens? What would happen if for some reason the underlying asset goes down by 99%? What happens if the other side of the pair used for generating the stakes goes down 99%? What happens if ETH forks? (as most of the Staking is done on the ETH chain if I understood correctly)

3) Regarding the USDN tokens: They are backed entirely by Waves, is this correct? USDN has currently a backing ratio of ~2, so that way more Waves are locked than USDN are issued (in $). What would happen if Waves goes down by more than 50% and the backing goes below 100%? Would USDN fall below $1?

4) One last question about swop.fi. This looks like a great addition to the Waves platform and it also has a nice FAQ. However, I couldn't find how are prices made? The trading doesn't seem to go over the Waves.exchange directly (or does it? the prices don't match with the waves exchange orderbook though). For instance if I buy a huge amount of BTC for USDN on swop.fi, what exactly happens with the LP-pool? How does it balance the USDN and BTC amounts after the purchase? As there is the (deterministic?) AMM algorithm behind I wonder if this algorithm could be abused in some sort of attack, especially for the pairs with at least 1 non-stablecoin, for instance in a flash crash or sudden price jumps?

Thanks in advance and keep up the good work Smiley

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Are there more projects planned on waves blockchain to work in similar way like Swop, and maybe something like uniswap exchange for waves?
It has much lower fees than ethereum and good potential for growth this year.

It depends on what you mean by such projects ... For example, in my Ratatouille project, liquidity is not provided on a website, but directly on the decentralized Waves Exchange. The annual profit of 40% is not particularly different, and also as an advantage we can note the immediate deposit and withdrawal of funds that are in USDT and USDC. The deposit service fee is 2% and is charged upon withdrawal. All this works on a decentralized smart contact, including arithmetic, and generally does not need a site. You can make a deposit by making a direct purchase on the Waves Exchange in RATS / USDT or RATS / USDC pairs. The contract is located at "3PJ7RB5CC3Bnn44RNR2hceZ6wKsULnMSxPi" and can be accessed via Waves Explorer (Open Dapp button). More details at: https://t.me/defi_franklin
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Distribution of NSBT airdrop on Huobi is now completed! Check the details.
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The bot logs in with user name, make a new post with the lovely pictures  Wink and does log off.

oh yay, the awesome waves.support lol Tongue
the same high support-level as in their Discord channel... hundreds of users online, but a ghosttown on the part of Waves-team. Posting "ETH giveaway" scam-links there? No problem. Imo unbelievable, this "we don't give a flying f*ck"-feeling from WavesHQ-side towards their investors everywhere. 💩

Hey there! Could you please clarify what threads on Discord are missing answers from the team? We'll sort it out!

It is not just Discord, it is about this forum. Here are so many open questions and suggestions and we would be very happy if you sort it out here on bitcointalk.

All right! What questions are now opened?

Nice if we can now communicate with you! Smiley

My first question: there was announced some weeks ago an airdrop of  USDN at binance and huobi for waves holder. When will it paid out?

Huobi airdrop is now distributed, as for Binance, we expect it soon as well!
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To use  Swop.fi, make sure you have a Waves wallet installed and connected! If you're new to the service, this article will give you a crash course.
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The bot logs in with user name, make a new post with the lovely pictures  Wink and does log off.

oh yay, the awesome waves.support lol Tongue
the same high support-level as in their Discord channel... hundreds of users online, but a ghosttown on the part of Waves-team. Posting "ETH giveaway" scam-links there? No problem. Imo unbelievable, this "we don't give a flying f*ck"-feeling from WavesHQ-side towards their investors everywhere. 💩

Hey there! Could you please clarify what threads on Discord are missing answers from the team? We'll sort it out!

It is not just Discord, it is about this forum. Here are so many open questions and suggestions and we would be very happy if you sort it out here on bitcointalk.

All right! What questions are now opened?

Nice if we can now communicate with you! Smiley

My first question: there was announced some weeks ago an airdrop of  USDN at binance and huobi for waves holder. When will it paid out?
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The bot logs in with user name, make a new post with the lovely pictures  Wink and does log off.

oh yay, the awesome waves.support lol Tongue
the same high support-level as in their Discord channel... hundreds of users online, but a ghosttown on the part of Waves-team. Posting "ETH giveaway" scam-links there? No problem. Imo unbelievable, this "we don't give a flying f*ck"-feeling from WavesHQ-side towards their investors everywhere. 💩

Hey there! Could you please clarify what threads on Discord are missing answers from the team? We'll sort it out!

It is not just Discord, it is about this forum. Here are so many open questions and suggestions and we would be very happy if you sort it out here on bitcointalk.

All right! What questions are now opened?
legendary
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The bot logs in with user name, make a new post with the lovely pictures  Wink and does log off.

oh yay, the awesome waves.support lol Tongue
the same high support-level as in their Discord channel... hundreds of users online, but a ghosttown on the part of Waves-team. Posting "ETH giveaway" scam-links there? No problem. Imo unbelievable, this "we don't give a flying f*ck"-feeling from WavesHQ-side towards their investors everywhere. 💩

Hey there! Could you please clarify what threads on Discord are missing answers from the team? We'll sort it out!

It is not just Discord, it is about this forum. Here are so many open questions and suggestions and we would be very happy if you sort it out here on bitcointalk.
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Check out a list of top-performing tokens in the DeFi sector and decentralized exchanges leveraging them, according to Cointelegraph. Waves.Exchange and Swop.fi are featured as catalysts for growth!
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When do you repair deposit on OKEx?

Hey! What's the exact problem on OKEx?
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The bot logs in with user name, make a new post with the lovely pictures  Wink and does log off.

oh yay, the awesome waves.support lol Tongue
the same high support-level as in their Discord channel... hundreds of users online, but a ghosttown on the part of Waves-team. Posting "ETH giveaway" scam-links there? No problem. Imo unbelievable, this "we don't give a flying f*ck"-feeling from WavesHQ-side towards their investors everywhere. 💩

Hey there! Could you please clarify what threads on Discord are missing answers from the team? We'll sort it out!
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When do you repair deposit on OKEx?
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The bot logs in with user name, make a new post with the lovely pictures  Wink and does log off.

oh yay, the awesome waves.support lol Tongue
the same high support-level as in their Discord channel... hundreds of users online, but a ghosttown on the part of Waves-team. Posting "ETH giveaway" scam-links there? No problem. Imo unbelievable, this "we don't give a flying f*ck"-feeling from WavesHQ-side towards their investors everywhere. 💩
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BOT which talks here?

Not often, but he talks only when he wants. He does only what he wants to do but looking like the propaganda machine. Smiley

The bot logs in with user name, make a new post with the lovely pictures  Wink and does log off.
When the user like to "talk" with us, the user does the login, make a new post ("talks" to us) and log off.

jr. member
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What no support? There is and they are posting almost every day?

@Waves.support there is something wrong with your  images as they are not  displaying..

They are posting with a bot.

I can see all the pictures here. Sometimes it helps when you clear you cache.


BOT which talks here?

Not often, but he talks only when he wants. He does only what he wants to do but looking like the propaganda machine. Smiley

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It appears that yield farming APY is largely derived from new buyers entering a pool with money inorder to sustain payments to themselves and other pool liquidity providers.

The APY is drawn from the added capital and used to pay investors.

External revenue sources are marginal and insignificant compared to xxx% APY which is impossible to sustain on stablecoin network fees which are below 0.1% per trade.

This is the definition of ponzi:

https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/article/what-is-yield-farming

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp


"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investing scam which generates returns for earlier investors with money taken from later investors."


I would advice against waves joining the DeFi mania based on its present form as this is not a healthy or viable business method.

You will gain short term user adoption and parabolic profit but cause long term damage to waves when the ponzi disintegrates.

My main concern is this toxic asset promising xxx% APY:

https://medium.com/swop-fi/where-is-swop-fi-pools-high-apy-coming-from-4fedca21cd86

But Bernie Madoff used ~10% APY for his long running ponzi and the stablecoins on waves dex are in this range so they must still be audited to confirm revenue source such as from trading fees.

Masternodes did this in 2018, I invested in alot of masternodes with a few thousand dollars and every single one of them was -99% 1 year later.

https://masternodes.online/

Masternodes was also a Ponzi because new investors were used to pay xxx% APY and the system collapsed when investors stopped providing liquidity.

Any scheme that focuses on hype and flashiness to this level, where the main objective is promoting returns, is in the ponzi risk category.

DeFi could probably evolve to enable real user loans without liquidity risk but this APY is then similar to normal lending platforms that already existed for years. These loans must be locked on user account if there is no KYC or credit requirement, and the money can only be used to reinvest in specific cryptos.

I would definately borrow $20 000 with $200 monthly repayment to buy waves, it is 12% APY, Price would go into triple digit if this was enabled, it is realistic form of DeFi, why use ponzi when there is real possibilities with DeFi.

Liquidations is a source of big problems I discovered from using high margin leverageon Binance. To say that it is fraudulent is an understatement, I have never seen this dragnet level of investor fraud being perpetrated daily on Binance where big leveraged positions are wiped either by a neural network liquidation bot or chinese sweatshop workers. And a few seconds after, -10-20% flash crash, price goes back to normal.

As long as DeFi is as profitable in its current form, expect no real evolution.

But new investors deserve to understand that DeFi right now = ponzi

Lots of bs technichality and cool sounding names, still the same centuries old con artistry.

I always said that BTC core insider community came from criminal origins with silk road, they simply evolved from thuggery into white collar crime.

In 2021, investors are too smart to be fooled, because it is a simple google search. But it can be tricky to spot at first glance with the new platform "DeFi" to perpetrate the scam. And lots of hype to obfuscate critical analysis.

Maybe if I made $100k from waves rally, I would not analyze this market or care, but the King who does not pay his knights, will not be king for long.

If someone lost large money on Binance and think it was from manipulated market, my advice is to do something about it, you need to find out who is working at Binance and confront them. Forget legal recourse although this will come in time and bring down Binance.

I did not personally lose anything on this leverage fraud but I see that people lose alot every day, so if you are one of them, you need to take action because you are victim of crime, it is not normal market behaviour.

I moved away from waves to TurtleNetwork.

It did not pump yet because there is no Ponzi activity on this network.

Developers are European and there does not appear to be any criminal community from the old school BTC gangbangers in TN, but who knows maybe it is even bigger scam.

If they want to mess with TurtleNetwork, they must first buy it like everyone else. I belive that crypto is a military target for sabotage to protect centralized status quo. I think this criminal operations is partially false flags perpetrated by states to sabotage crypto but it is well known that NSA is already intercepting transatlantic fiberlanes and can use your computer similar to remote desktop, this includes all your seed passwords and every single click and website you view. You may aswell consider this computer a loan from CIA unless you are top 0.001% of hacker community with technical knowledge to hide yourself.

So my point is that maybe they don't even need false flags in crypto, they are so omnipotent anyway. Full Spectrum Dominance, land, sea, air, space, communications, socio-economic.

I don't think waves devs did this ponzi trick on purpose. Waves is not native DeFi, it is wrapped.

It is normal for them to jump the bandwagon, of course technical experts dont understand history of fraud economics, it is normal.

My family is Jewish Ashkenazi economic investment bank founders, but know nothing about technologic intricacies of blockchain.

Who can be expert at everything?

https://www.eurazeo.com/en/company/shareholding/shareholding/

There is no need to panic if you are waves investor, this ponzi was captured very early and did not have time to cause damage.

Maybe it can trigger w4 to $2.43 in combination with vaccines, spring time and lockdown ending.

But today I see that government upgraded to N95 mask requirement and corona increases alot, so it is not time yet, maybe $42.7 first.

Waves is one of the best cryptos with best foundations to create wealth, so even if it goes down it will go to $3000 after 5 years if everything goes to plan. Biggest risk if human corruption, tech is strong.
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What no support? There is and they are posting almost every day?

@Waves.support there is something wrong with your  images as they are not  displaying..

They are posting with a bot.

I can see all the pictures here. Sometimes it helps when you clear you cache.
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Are there more projects planned on waves blockchain to work in similar way like Swop, and maybe something like uniswap exchange for waves?
It has much lower fees than ethereum and good potential for growth this year.

Binance Smart  Chain has little fees and it already  has many LP/AMM projects running now..

Waves is the right address to ask!!!

But not here in this thread because here is no support from the waves team.  Undecided

What no support? There is and they are posting almost every day?

Meanwhile Waves price dropped under 10 USD..

@jerry0 you need to  create new acount with ledger and have to transfer your Waves there
@Waves.support there is something wrong with your  images as they are not  displaying..
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What yield farming app will give you the best results? 🌾🤑

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