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Quote from: wriizo on February 13, 2018, 02:42:39 PM

I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.

I believe you speaking of land-based casinos aka physical casinos. In this forum we are mainly discussing about bitcoin/altcoin accepting casinos and thus physical casinos are out of the picture - I dont know any physical casino which is accepting bitcoin or altcoin till date.

Quote from: Tipstar on February 13, 2018, 08:07:28 PM

When you are not gambling on real presence, you should go with provably fair. When the game outcome are locally influenced, to some extent every dealer would have some level of influence on the outcome.

All the popularly know sites where people gamble are provably fair. With provably fair every casino would be a scam and anyone playing there is a fool to trust the system. Provably fair makes every roll mathematically fair and thus making it unbiased.

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In my opinion, the real casinos always want to inflate their profits in different ways. So they manipulate the majority of players. Moreover, there is a trick which always exists in different casinos, which it is the new player wins when he plays in their just first game. Because there will be agreed with those people to win more. But then he always loses everything (all his money) and that's what casino officials are doing.
In addition to that, in online casinos there is some manipulation, but much less than real casinos, for example Sports betting there are no cheats In most times. But sometimes, they may buy some games and choose the result and it is always contrary to expectations of players.

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Thats why an established name is so important online I think. Small bets is ok many places, I think people build up their use of a casino before really using it fully. There is some oversight and review ongoing, its not quite the wild west when we are this many years in.

Quote from: wriizo on February 13, 2018, 02:42:39 PM

I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.

They definitely do spot checks on casinos for this reason. That would be a really shady establishment to be pulling that off, I'm not sure even the Mafia when in Las Vegas did such things ? Weighting of various instruments in a casino is checked quite religiously I believe, gradient and all sorts. Some magnets being added is quite a big deal. I'm fairly certain most places just rely on the house advantage and the costs of drinks etc - the answer to this question will come from Maths

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Quote from: wriizo on February 13, 2018, 02:42:39 PM

I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.

I am pretty sure that OP was talking about online casinos, as we can rarely see cheats happen in real casinos as they are being regulated and monitored, but at online casinos you can't really know what is behind the code and you can't really know if black/red on the roulette gives you 48% chance to win and not less.
Bitcoin casinos are the most dangerous as most of them are also anonymous and even if you found out that the owner was cheating, you can't really find him and the casino can just disappear without any warnings.

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Quote from: joebrook on February 11, 2018, 12:27:46 PM

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.

I think it really depends on the venue in question. If there's a casino at a location without regulations and regular check-ups, it's possible that the games could be rigged.
But in decent casino's, the 'rigging' is just done by math, they have a positive house edge on the games and automatically make money over the long term.

Online provably fair casinos are a different story, they are 100% fair if they've implemented a correct provably fair system.
There are many casinos that also have other games than dice that are provably fair.

There are probably people who can set up something to cheat with that'll go below the radar.

Yeah that's certainly possible, but I don't think something like that is done on a massive scale.
Why would they have to cheat? They can legally adjust the payout rates of certain games like slots. All slots are by definition 'rigged'.

Table and card games are the ones that could most easily be rigged, but like I said, this only happens in shady casinos.

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Quote from: JL421 on February 11, 2018, 12:27:00 AM

Let me remind you the site you are promoting in your signature is also a casino and they have had a shady past of paying users back when they make profit. I always knew not to trust casinos at all either play a gamble with less house edge like dice or don't gamble only

When exactly?
Links.

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Quote from: joebrook on February 11, 2018, 12:27:46 PM

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.

I think it really depends on the venue in question. If there's a casino at a location without regulations and regular check-ups, it's possible that the games could be rigged.
But in decent casino's, the 'rigging' is just done by math, they have a positive house edge on the games and automatically make money over the long term.

Online provably fair casinos are a different story, they are 100% fair if they've implemented a correct provably fair system.
There are many casinos that also have other games than dice that are provably fair.

There are probably people who can set up something to cheat with that'll go below the radar.

Quote from: chris200x9 on February 13, 2018, 06:22:05 PM

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Why would you think the profit would be small?
Especially when the victim will probably never notice.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on February 09, 2018, 02:07:03 AM

I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

The bussiness side of casinos and even the gambling sites where we play for are all designed to cheat legally. There are being watched and monitored by a commission that oversees how their machines, slots and even dices and cards are all in the same standards that they set. However it is still true that with this in mind they are allowed to have it rigged into something profitabble for the casino but still allowing a chance for players to ein

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on February 09, 2018, 07:59:01 AM

Quote from: BillCoin on February 09, 2018, 03:43:18 AM

That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games? Cheesy

This!

. Well, I bet he is hoping that he placed the bet on the winning team on that fixed game, but I guess this is rarer than those casino who almost always cheat every session. Between these two, I think fixing result of sports game maybe able to book us a winning too LOL. So i choose fixed result of sports betting than Cheating Casino.

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Quote from: chris200x9 on February 13, 2018, 06:22:05 PM

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Yes we have many reputed casinos which are running from last few years, if they really cheat people then they will not become famous today. but whenever you like to play in the new casino you better take care because some casino will collect your money and they will shut down immediately.

Exactly, I also play in these gambling sites without any hesitation becasue these gambling sites have been spend a long time and have good reputation. But i always testing the new gambling site to play in it that it is scam or not.

I also tried checking new casinos just to do comparison on its pros and cons, and what it's advantages among other known gambling sites, it's good sometimes to try new since we might discover something will enjoy but we have this point that we end up still playing on things we were used to.

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Quote from: bitcoinmasterlord on February 14, 2018, 03:48:29 AM

Quote from: chris200x9 on February 13, 2018, 06:22:05 PM

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Yes we have many reputed casinos which are running from last few years, if they really cheat people then they will not become famous today. but whenever you like to play in the new casino you better take care because some casino will collect your money and they will shut down immediately.

Exactly, I also play in these gambling sites without any hesitation becasue these gambling sites have been spend a long time and have good reputation. But i always testing the new gambling site to play in it that it is scam or not.

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Quote from: chris200x9 on February 13, 2018, 06:22:05 PM

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Yes we have many reputed casinos which are running from last few years, if they really cheat people then they will not become famous today. but whenever you like to play in the new casino you better take care because some casino will collect your money and they will shut down immediately.

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Quote from: btc-facebook on February 13, 2018, 11:06:41 PM

Well, everything in online games has higher chance to get scam rather than live gambling like Vegas.
So yeah I'm prefer play casino in live rather than online.

Luckily onehash is a place to bet soccer match so it's more fairer and the results of the match not depend on onehash themselves

All casino sites have the provably fair mechanism to show that all rolls are unbiased and they are mathematically fair. You seem to contradict yourself a bit. You said that you prefer to go to a real life casino that online casino. Again you say that you like the OneHash website to gamble. I believe you like both and you are looking for the "fair" casinos to play so you dont get cheated.

Also the sports betting is a bit different "fairness" method than dice games - for dice and other such EV- games its the mathematical algorithm.

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Quote from: JL421 on February 11, 2018, 12:27:00 AM

Let me remind you the site you are promoting in your signature is also a casino and they have had a shady past of paying users back when they make profit. I always knew not to trust casinos at all either play a gamble with less house edge like dice or don't gamble only

The principle here is about to never go trust things online for 100 percent no matter how good the service, no matter it's online casino, online shopping etc, at some point they could practice bad things like cheating or something shady similar like that. Use that principle and you'll be fine.

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Well, everything in online games has higher chance to get scam rather than live gambling like Vegas.
So yeah I'm prefer play casino in live rather than online.

Luckily onehash is a place to bet soccer match so it's more fairer and the results of the match not depend on onehash themselves

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Quote from: serjent05 on February 09, 2018, 02:37:44 AM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on February 09, 2018, 02:07:03 AM

I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I had watch that last link and saw how the staff incharged of the game skipped the card. and this one,

Quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

we can see how the rolling ball jumped and shakes.. and here is the explanation how they cheat with that kind of stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bc1ypNsrU and it seems that they have some kind of disruptor in there to make the ball shakes and fall to other part of the roullete.

Only blind people cant able to see that obvious flick from his hand basing on the 3rd video which is really not a good or fair thing to do of a certain online casino. Once bust up then they are all fucked up,if your eyes arent too alert into these kind of scenarios then expect you will loss on being cheated.This is why im not really too confident on playing on those live games.

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When you are not gambling on real presence, you should go with provably fair. When the game outcome are locally influenced, to some extent every dealer would have some level of influence on the outcome.

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

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Quote from: joebrook on February 11, 2018, 12:27:46 PM

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Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.

Every business is there to make money from, but with fair and legal way, not to use unfair means, i think the good reputed casino never cheat, they have low house edge, but those who are still not so much popular and still they are not attracting more users so they try to cheat so as to fulfill their needs. I think still there are so many casinos who are too much fair and never try to cheat their users.

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I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.

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Compound probability is behind most gambling profits for the house that hosts the games. Even a fair 50% possible win if repeated diminishes to nearly zero if gamblers keep repeating the risk. I think a statistician or probability analysis mathematician would be able to find the flaw in most games if it was unfair, I believe a company of any size would employ or deploy checks of this nature on a routine basis to prevent fraud.

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