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Topic: [WDC] Worldcoin | 3.0 Flirtatious Ant Released! | Multicoin architecture - page 183. (Read 442423 times)

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still confused, don't all the blocks go through the nodes?

Eventually, yes.  But you need to know how the standard client works. It follows the longest, valid, chain.  So lets assume you are evil miner 1. You have a significant amount of hashing power, say 10% of the network.   One in every 10 blocks is yours.

Statistically, in this case, you're mining one block every 150 seconds.  But that's just statistically.  You will quite regularly, mine 3 coins in a row. You can re-write your miner to NOT follow the longest valid chain. You can tell it to keep persevering with your chain until you're 4 blocks behind the rest of the network, before you abandon your tree.

And when you DO get those 4 coins, suddenly the chain you're on is the longest chain, and you've just invalidated (orphaned) those 4 blocks that other people mined (and, whoops, those were confirmed by the network, too!) and you've just done a very small, but very easy, 'traditional' 51% attack with only 10%. Consider it brains vs brawn.

There are other things you can do, too. You can just ignore blocks mined by other people, too. Let your miners run for an extra 5 seconds on that block before you switch to the next one. See if you can get a block too. Keep mining that one. If you're lucky, you'll beat the other chain, and orphan them.

It also helps (as in, helps nasty-miner-1) other miners having slower nodes, too. At the moment, it can take up to 15 seconds for a block to propagate throughout the BTC network. I haven't done any timings on LTC, but I assume it would be roughly the same. Having a fast, central, node, means you can be an entire block in front of everyone else.

Oh look, I'm doing BTC-hacking 101 in this thread.   Most of these issues are dealt with (by BTC and LTC) by having slower block times, and longer confirmations. As I said originally: Randomly changing numbers without knowing what the numbers are for is just a dumb idea.
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15 second blocks?

Hello Orphans

+1  

OMG, Seriously, people are just randomly changing numbers without knowing WHY those numbers should be what they are.

15 seconds isn't going to be enough for blocks to get from one side of the network to the other. A couple of miners are going to modify their clients to ignore other chains, and just mine everything themselves. With blocks only 15 seconds apart, it's going to be almost impossible to avoid multiple, simultaneous, attacks on the coin.
Your assuming this is meant as a long term coin.

Can somebody explain why this wouldn't be viable long term? How can you just ignore a chain?

In the beginning of a coin the difficulty is very low and there are not many nodes on the network. If you run a few nodes that always agree on each other and you have some hashing power behind those you could easily extend the blockchain while others are fighting with orphans.

This only works while you can find blocks in seconds and other chains are not extending faster than your nodes chain

still confused, don't all the blocks go through the nodes?
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15 second blocks?

Hello Orphans

+1  

OMG, Seriously, people are just randomly changing numbers without knowing WHY those numbers should be what they are.

15 seconds isn't going to be enough for blocks to get from one side of the network to the other. A couple of miners are going to modify their clients to ignore other chains, and just mine everything themselves. With blocks only 15 seconds apart, it's going to be almost impossible to avoid multiple, simultaneous, attacks on the coin.
Your assuming this is meant as a long term coin.

Can somebody explain why this wouldn't be viable long term? How can you just ignore a chain?

In the beginning of a coin the difficulty is very low and there are not many nodes on the network. If you run a few nodes that always agree on each other and you have some hashing power behind those you could easily extend the blockchain while others are fighting with orphans.

This only works while you can find blocks in seconds and other chains are not extending faster than your nodes chain
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15 second blocks?

Hello Orphans

+1  

OMG, Seriously, people are just randomly changing numbers without knowing WHY those numbers should be what they are.

15 seconds isn't going to be enough for blocks to get from one side of the network to the other. A couple of miners are going to modify their clients to ignore other chains, and just mine everything themselves. With blocks only 15 seconds apart, it's going to be almost impossible to avoid multiple, simultaneous, attacks on the coin.
Your assuming this is meant as a long term coin.

Can somebody explain why this wouldn't be viable long term? How can you just ignore a chain?
newbie
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15 second blocks?

Hello Orphans

+1  

OMG, Seriously, people are just randomly changing numbers without knowing WHY those numbers should be what they are.

15 seconds isn't going to be enough for blocks to get from one side of the network to the other. A couple of miners are going to modify their clients to ignore other chains, and just mine everything themselves. With blocks only 15 seconds apart, it's going to be almost impossible to avoid multiple, simultaneous, attacks on the coin.
Your assuming this is meant as a long term coin.
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Nothing here that FC2 does not already offer

One of the retarded above, yes they are clearly identical even though feathercoin2 has a 2min. block and this one confirms almost instantly, but yes sorry ScamCoin2 already offers all of this.

Feathercoin 2 is just a joke. The first feathercoin didn't take off, a sequel isnt going to do any better...

It took off big time, then crashed hard as fuck.
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Convert Crypto at BestChange
another nice named coin  Wink
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pre-announcement, lol, the website looks very nice though Smiley
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Nothing here that FC2 does not already offer

One of the retarded above, yes they are clearly identical even though feathercoin2 has a 2min. block and this one confirms almost instantly, but yes sorry ScamCoin2 already offers all of this.

Feathercoin 2 is just a joke. The first feathercoin didn't take off, a sequel isnt going to do any better...
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Nothing here that FC2 does not already offer

One of the retarded above, yes they are clearly identical even though feathercoin2 has a 2min. block and this one confirms almost instantly, but yes sorry ScamCoin2 already offers all of this.
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In order for this altcoin to succeed you need to be a really shitty developer, you can't release binaries, and you need to fuck up the genesis block creation.

Jr member registered 2 days ago with 12 posts. I think we have it covered!

Not trying to play Devils Advocate... but anyone think that maybe they created a new account so the name would match their coin in order to make it more professional, and create less confusion overall?

no that would be to simple for the trolls. I swear people on these forums are mentally retarded, no wonder scam coins gallore are up on exchanges.
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Nothing here that FC2 does not already offer
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In order for this altcoin to succeed you need to be a really shitty developer, you can't release binaries, and you need to fuck up the genesis block creation.

Jr member registered 2 days ago with 12 posts. I think we have it covered!

Not trying to play Devils Advocate... but anyone think that maybe they created a new account so the name would match their coin in order to make it more professional, and create less confusion overall?
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So when this does launch... and instead of retargeting every 8 hours, it retargets every 1-2 hours (like most other new coins lately)... does this mean OP is yanking my blockchain?? XD


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countdown 24 hours from now??

Its a time range. Its around 24 hours I think but give or take a few hours.
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countdown 24 hours from now??
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15 second blocks?

Hello Orphans

+1  

OMG, Seriously, people are just randomly changing numbers without knowing WHY those numbers should be what they are.

15 seconds isn't going to be enough for blocks to get from one side of the network to the other. A couple of miners are going to modify their clients to ignore other chains, and just mine everything themselves. With blocks only 15 seconds apart, it's going to be almost impossible to avoid multiple, simultaneous, attacks on the coin.

I read somewhere about checkpoints doesn't that stop this from happening?
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Nothing cool at all except the icon.
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