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Rassah

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Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 01:44:18 PM

Quote from: Rassah on October 21, 2011, 01:31:35 PM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 12:37:17 PM

Quote from: BitterTea on October 21, 2011, 08:49:04 AM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 08:05:15 AM

Egypt is in the midst of a crime wave. I think you need examples from the real world.

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People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize.

Are you claiming that it is not possible to provide private defense of persons and property?

The private defence becomes the new state. The chaos is usually an intermediate state.

Can a new "state" version of private defence emerge on something like a virtual world, where everyone who can afford to can just buy their own defensive weaponry I wonder?

You decide - you make the game so you make the rules.

If i make this, I wont make any rules. You would have to decide.

Hawker

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Quote from: Rassah on October 21, 2011, 01:31:35 PM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 12:37:17 PM

Quote from: BitterTea on October 21, 2011, 08:49:04 AM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 08:05:15 AM

Egypt is in the midst of a crime wave. I think you need examples from the real world.

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People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize.

Are you claiming that it is not possible to provide private defense of persons and property?

The private defence becomes the new state. The chaos is usually an intermediate state.

Can a new "state" version of private defence emerge on something like a virtual world, where everyone who can afford to can just buy their own defensive weaponry I wonder?

You decide - you make the game so you make the rules.

Rassah

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Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 12:37:17 PM

Quote from: BitterTea on October 21, 2011, 08:49:04 AM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 08:05:15 AM

Egypt is in the midst of a crime wave. I think you need examples from the real world.

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People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize.

Are you claiming that it is not possible to provide private defense of persons and property?

The private defence becomes the new state. The chaos is usually an intermediate state.

Can a new "state" version of private defence emerge on something like a virtual world, where everyone who can afford to can just buy their own defensive weaponry I wonder?

Hawker

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Quote from: BitterTea on October 21, 2011, 12:40:13 PM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 12:37:17 PM

The private defence becomes the new state. The chaos is usually an intermediate state.

Thanks for the assertion, now provide some logic to back it up. Start from assumptions and build to the conclusion.

Private defense can be as simple as everyone owning a gun. How does that become a monopoly on violence?

We've done that in the Fire-fighter thread. Why repeat it?

BitterTea

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Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 12:37:17 PM

The private defence becomes the new state. The chaos is usually an intermediate state.

Thanks for the assertion, now provide some logic to back it up. Start from assumptions and build to the conclusion.

Private defense can be as simple as everyone owning a gun. How does that become a monopoly on violence?

Hawker

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Quote from: BitterTea on October 21, 2011, 08:49:04 AM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 08:05:15 AM

Egypt is in the midst of a crime wave. I think you need examples from the real world.

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People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize.

Are you claiming that it is not possible to provide private defense of persons and property?

The private defence becomes the new state. The chaos is usually an intermediate state.

BitterTea

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Quote from: RandyFolds on October 21, 2011, 11:33:15 AM

I am, at least on a global scale.

Can you expound on this point? What does "global scale" defense look like? Do we have that today?

RandyFolds

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Quote from: BitterTea on October 21, 2011, 08:49:04 AM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 08:05:15 AM

Egypt is in the midst of a crime wave. I think you need examples from the real world.

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People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize.

Are you claiming that it is not possible to provide private defense of persons and property?

I am, at least on a global scale.

Obviously, some rich fuck can afford some executive security and get driven around in a bulletproof escalade, but that isn't exactly the status quo, is it...

BitterTea

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Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 08:05:15 AM

Egypt is in the midst of a crime wave. I think you need examples from the real world.

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People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize.

Are you claiming that it is not possible to provide private defense of persons and property?

ineededausername

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Quote from: JeffK on October 21, 2011, 12:21:22 AM

Maybe you should just try running SMF, only with more elaborate avatars

+1

Hawker

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Quote from: BitterTea on October 21, 2011, 06:39:27 AM

Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 01:30:14 AM

Indeed. Its true though - when a area loses police protection, the looters and rapists emerge very fast. Look at Baghdad in 2003, London in 2011 and endless examples in between. Just because its "troubling" that people do bad things doesn't mean you can pretend we are all angels.

You only see what you want to see. If people want order, it means there is a demand for services which keep it, which means there is money to be made supplying it. What about examples like Egypt where the community formed groups to police itself, when the police no longer would?

People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize. Remember, anarchy is not chaos, anarchy is self order.

Egypt is in the midst of a crime wave. I think you need examples from the real world.

BitterTea

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Quote from: Hawker on October 21, 2011, 01:30:14 AM

Indeed. Its true though - when a area loses police protection, the looters and rapists emerge very fast. Look at Baghdad in 2003, London in 2011 and endless examples in between. Just because its "troubling" that people do bad things doesn't mean you can pretend we are all angels.

You only see what you want to see. If people want order, it means there is a demand for services which keep it, which means there is money to be made supplying it. What about examples like Egypt where the community formed groups to police itself, when the police no longer would?

People are just so used to relying on the state for such things that it takes longer than a short period of chaos for people to self organize. Remember, anarchy is not chaos, anarchy is self order.

FreeMoney

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Quote from: Minsc on October 21, 2011, 03:32:06 AM

Quote from: Rassah on October 20, 2011, 02:12:52 PM

I'm considering setting up a modified SecondLife server, where the currency is bitcoin, the rules/laws are set up by the people, and administrator duties are only to keep it running, allowing the inhabitants to create their own contracts and settle their own disputes. Thoughts/ideas?

It'll get caught up in the whole day trading of bitcoin and you need something super popular to stabilize the price. If Diablo 3 had decided to use only bitcoin instead of only PayPal, then that would've done it.

Hmmm... considering your avatar is a furry, perhaps you should play on that. The ideal furry place is where they can roleplay, yiff, and then do really disturbing & bizarre yiff stuff, and then they can leave the world and claim they merely like the art and only 1% of furries are into yiff and they're just a dignified furry not into that.

That would not -stabilize- the price. First it would move it way up as people discovered the development. Then up more as people speculated on how many other large games/companies would accept coins. Then down if time passed and more did not or up if even more if others were getting in.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for stability.

Minsc

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Quote from: Rassah on October 20, 2011, 02:12:52 PM

I'm considering setting up a modified SecondLife server, where the currency is bitcoin, the rules/laws are set up by the people, and administrator duties are only to keep it running, allowing the inhabitants to create their own contracts and settle their own disputes. Thoughts/ideas?

It'll get caught up in the whole day trading of bitcoin and you need something super popular to stabilize the price. If Diablo 3 had decided to use only bitcoin instead of only PayPal, then that would've done it.

Hmmm... considering your avatar is a furry, perhaps you should play on that. The ideal furry place is where they can roleplay, yiff, and then do really disturbing & bizarre yiff stuff, and then they can leave the world and claim they merely like the art and only 1% of furries are into yiff and they're just a dignified furry not into that.

Minsc

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Quote from: JeffK on October 20, 2011, 11:16:19 PM

The fact that many people express the sentiment that the only thing keeping them from stealing, raping, and pillaging is the threat of police force (or for many Christians who claim God is the source of all morality that only the threat of hell) is indeed a troubling idea

Basically, it's the same thing keeping people from pissing and crapping all over where they live and eat so their home is full of waste.

The curious thing is mice and some other little critters do that. Mice find food and then eat a little bit and then crap huge volumes, more than they even ate. Anyone who has had them invade your home knows this.

So it's basically this.

Hawker

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Quote from: JeffK on October 20, 2011, 11:16:19 PM

Quote from: Rassah on October 20, 2011, 11:04:35 PM

Also, awesome to know that the only thing keeping you descent in life is the threat of police authority.

The fact that many people express the sentiment that the only thing keeping them from stealing, raping, and pillaging is the threat of police force (or for many Christians who claim God is the source of all morality that only the threat of hell) is indeed a troubling idea

Indeed. Its true though - when a area loses police protection, the looters and rapists emerge very fast. Look at Baghdad in 2003, London in 2011 and endless examples in between. Just because its "troubling" that people do bad things doesn't mean you can pretend we are all angels.

TiagoTiago

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Firstbits.com/1fg4i :)

Can you, for example, build a house where the rooms are the faces of a tesseract, which allows you to walk from room to room going 'round and 'round the warped space, with just SMF + fancy avatars?

JeffK

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I never hashed for this...

Maybe you should just try running SMF, only with more elaborate avatars

TiagoTiago

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Firstbits.com/1fg4i :)

We just gotta make it interesting enough for those we wanna keep and boring enough for the people we wanna distance from and i expect things will get quite decent.

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Quote from: JeffK on October 20, 2011, 11:16:19 PM

Quote from: Rassah on October 20, 2011, 11:04:35 PM

Also, awesome to know that the only thing keeping you descent in life is the threat of police authority.

The fact that many people express the sentiment that the only thing keeping them from stealing, raping, and pillaging is the threat of police force (or for many Christians who claim God is the source of all morality that only the threat of hell) is indeed a troubling idea

I believe that concept was first brought up by BitterTea. I intended to say that a virtual environment is no basis for comparison to the real world as it lacks depth and consequences. People will not behave in a manner natural to a society because it lacks the REAL societal implications. Your libertarian second life is just another unmoderated forum -in a pretty dress- that will eventually draw the dregs of society.

o nos, i got negatives xp

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