Topic: welche bountys signaturen lohnen sich am meisten??? - page 85. (Read 196564 times)

I just know that everything I ask here will remain a secret, besides, in this thread for the most part there are no spammers, so it is doubly pleasant to publish a post here.

ich glaube weil wir (die d-a-ch community) eine wirklich super truppe sind, die bei jeder guten sig. kampagne mit mehreren teilnehmern vertreten ist und icopress natürlich die mehrheit angesprochen hat und ihm das ganze einfacher in englischer als in deutscher sprache war. er wollte einfach unsere meinung wissen
vielleicht hat er auch in anderen lokal bereichen gefragt... wer weiß - habs nicht gecheckt

aber wie der user über dir diesen faden gefunden hat, ist mir auch ein rätsel

Warum wurde diese Frage nicht im enlischen Channel gestellt. Nun haben wir hier ......... Jeder andere hätte ne PM bekommen mit Löschung des Eintrages !

In my opinion, for a long-term campaign, a reasonable amount of money worth $2-5 in Bitcoins should be paid for each constructive post. However, this should not be a fixed rate of Bitcoin due to its volatility. Instead, the payment should be set in terms of USD.

Some campaigns may not care about the dollar exchange rate and pay in bitcoins, whether the price is rising or falling (as we saw with Chipmixer signature campaign). In some cases, they may even decrease the amount of bitcoins paid per week when the bitcoin price is very high.

To ensure fairness for both parties, it would be good to fix the payment amount in USD and keep it that way. This way, people won't be affected much by changes in the Bitcoin price, and they will get paid the agreed amount in USD.

As my forum colleagues have already written, $4 to $6 per post is currently appropriate for a Hero/Legendary member. But in the current situation, even a campaign like BestChange's is losing current members because other campaigns pay better and have better framework conditions.

I know that the calculation of 0.0001 BTC per post is based on the fact that the Bitcoin could soon cost $50,000 again and that would pay for a post with $5. Which is certainly very good, but because the price is currently not $50,000, participants find the payment to be low.

What hasn't been addressed yet is that some campaign participants can't wait for the price to get that high again. Some need the revenue from signature campaigns to pay their day-to-day bills or because they want to gamble or whatever. Not all people can put BTC aside and wait for the price to rise again.

Sure, if the price is well over $50,000 and you're still getting 0.0001 BTC per post, things are looking a lot better for campaign participants, but who can say if and when that will happen.

Even if I can follow and understand your train of thought very well, it is currently, where the range of signature campaigns is very large and the payment is very good, certainly difficult to find good people who are satisfied with the current payment. For many people, the payment currently found on most other campaigns seems fairest, with each payment being a fixed dollar amount per post in btc.

It might be worth considering testing a campaign with this payment system to see if you can use it to attract better people to your campaigns. Because you are really very, very good in terms of the general conditions in your campaigns and I like them the most. But because other campaigns (like my current one) now also offer such general conditions and pay better, I'm currently there, for example.

I wish you continued success and I hope that one day I can take part in one of your signature campaigns again. 

icopress ich denke mittlerweile hast du ein paar sehr gute Vorschläge und Infos bekommen!
Und schön zu sehen wie die Meinung der DACH-User geschätzt wird.

Also finde es toll wenn wir von einem BM befragt werden was unsere Meinung dazu ist

In my answer, I will (mainly) limit myself to the financial aspects. It goes without saying that other factors such as the selection of available boards, the duration of the campaign and/or the provider itself play a major role in a successful campaign. Especially the last point should not be forgotten. Because no matter how well the signature campaign may be designed, if the provider has a bad reputation, it will be difficult to find good participants (see e.g. x1bit and other failed campaigns in the past).

Now to your question: This is not so easy to answer, because one would have to examine first of all what the host of the campaign would like to achieve:

(1) Is it about creating a signature campaign that only achieves attention through the pure quantity of posts?
(2) Or is it also about targeting the best posters of the forum and placing signatures as prominently as possible?

If the former is desired, I think your currently chosen BTC payment per post is quite reasonable. The price of Bitcoin fluctuates a lot (still), but users can roughly calculate the value of their compensation at a certain Bitcoin price. Nevertheless, you have to be aware that if the Bitcoin price drops or the BTC payment per post is lower than the compensation of other campaigns, quality posters will likely follow the money and switch to a campaign where they can earn a higher amount.

However, if the latter is desired, it will be difficult to pay a fixed Bitcoin price that is attractive at all times. Unless, of course, you set the fixed Bitcoin price at such a high level that it significantly exceeds the other ongoing campaigns. But then you quickly face problems like CM in the past, where you have to reduce the amounts at some point because they became too high.

So, why are participants of signature campaigns more inclined to follow the (fast) money instead of staying with a campaign where you might earn a little less today, but a little more in the future? In my opinion, this is mainly due to the fact that as a participant of a signature campaign you have to deal with a few uncertainties:

• Even if you trust Bitcoin, you never know what the price will be in the future. So many users think: The more BTC I get today, the better.
• You usually don't know how long a campaign runs and if it's still running in the future. So even if the BTC price goes up in a few months/years, will I still be in this campaign?
• You might be removed from the campaign, without notice or you won't be able to post, when the BTC price goes up.

So how would I design a campaign that is as attractive as possible?

• A fixed $ amount per post which is slightly higher than the ongoing campaigns, converted every week at the current rate. Many projects are likely to hold their marketing funds in $ or stables anyway, so fluctuating BTC prices will likely not affect them any way.
• As much information as possible about the runtime of the campaign (if you can offer an attractive runtime here, users are more inclined to accept a lower weekly payment).
• Fair rules regarding the avatar slot (IMHO a very good way to make the campaign more attractive).
• Fair post rules that doesn't exclude 90% of the available boards, e.g. locals etc.

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Quite interesting approach @tyKiwanuka. Actually the perfect marketing tool for a bounty manager to make an offer to possible clients. That way they can see straight away how much BTC they have to set aside as a marketing budget (if they hold their funds in BTC).

If these ranges are designed in a fair way, competitive enough compared to other campaigns and communicated well in the OP of the campaign, I think it could work out pretty well and attract plenty of users.

Actually I don’t see that point at all. When bitcoin USD conversion rate went up, chip mixer earnings also went up in the same way, since they are paid by their clients in Bitcoin. Also it is easy to buy the needed BTC at the beginning of the campaign so that you as the client don’t have to worry that prices rise over time.

Das habe ich auch so gelesen, aber wenn ich mich gerade am Handy nicht versehen habe sind auch 2 oder 3 ausgeschieden oder haben aus welchem Grund auch immer gewechselt. Muss ich mir am Abend noch einmal in Ruhe ansehen, derzeit steht jedenfalls die Kampagne auf CFNP. Aber lohnt sich auf jeden Fall immer wieder dort hinein zu sehen. Es ist jedenfalls sehr angenehm wenn man auf die Anzahl der Beiträge nicht aufpassen muss  und warten wir ab ob die Kampagne hoffentlich lange läuft.

Hier wurde vor ein paar Tagen bekannt gegeben, dass sich angesehene Mitglieder des Forums auch bewerben können/dürfen, wenn die Kampagne eigentlich voll ist.

Daraus resultierend gab es ja dann wieder mehrere Seiten voller Bewerbungen wovon nun auch drei weitere Personen angenommen wurden.

Eventuell wäre das auch für manche Personen hier interessant, sich in 1-2 Wochen, wenn der große Ansturm vorbei ist, sich noch einmal zu bewerben

It is also a question of the campaign operator, is he aiming for a good mid-range campaign or does the operator want to run a high rate campaign with the "best" posters on the board? I think that for example 0.00015 BTC/post (Hero/Legendary) is a well paid long term campaign for demanding posters, almost nobody will think that the BTC price will fall below $20k?

Of course, a proposed dynamic payment set in advance by table would be the easiest.

Erste Woche der Whirlwind Kampagne ist jetzt auch vorüber, hat alles einwandfrei funktioniert (denke das ist meine erste Kampagne mit Hhampuz  ), was mich wundert es hat in der Kampagne Veränderungen gegeben bei den Teilnehmern.

As of right now, this is really hard to answer.
To be honest though, 0.0001btc/post seems a bit too low while there are other campaigns that pay the equivalent of 4$, $5 or even $6 per post.
Since we can never know for sure how long the campaign will last, it would be a gamble itself to hope for higher bitcoin prices so the fixed bitcoin rate becomes more valuable. By the time the price goes up, we would have also earned more bitcoins from good paying fixed-dollar campaigns anyways.

Therefore I really like what @tyKiwanuka said as it seems fair and especially transparent for both sides.

TLDR auf deutsch:
Dynamische Bezahlung in bestimmten Abständen wäre die transparenteste und fairste Lösung (meiner Meinung nach)

To be honest, this is also the reason why I find payment in USD the most honest and easiest to calculate for both sides - for the campaign participants as well as for the company.

I can still remember how Chipmixer first paid incredible sums per week (> 1000$ if I remember correctly) due to the fixed BTC pay rate in the last BTC peak phase and then the outcry was correspondingly large when the rate was fixed to a USD amount.

Besides a fair payment, the following points are almost more important for me personally:

• Clear delimitation in which sections of the forum may be posted, in the optimal case posts in local boards are also allowed.
• The minimum duration of the campaign is known
• The minimum required posts per week are not too high (15 - 20), but up to 25 posts are paid if someone posts more than that

... and of course a top campaign manager, but you would have met that criterion anyway

For long running campaigns that pay up to 25 posts I personally wouldn't care if the payrate is 4$ or 5$, for me the long duration and the flexibility in posting behavior count much more.

I was thinking for some time now how to calculate the correct rate for a campaign like you propose. Since I find it rather hard to come up with a fixed rate, because nothing is known about your client, I would think it could be interesting to have variable payment in contrast to the overall success of the campaign. I’m not shure if this is really possible, since you need to measure how much your client is earning with the campaign, but that’s how usually advertising is calculated. For example companies book google ads and see that if the invest 100 USD they will make a profit of 120 USD. So basically they then can scale it up until they money they invested will not give them positive returns.
Without that data I think you can not really determine what a fair rate is, or you can only look at other campaigns. If you want to attract people with a set pay rate that does not changes even if prices rise, you would also need to give them some kind of guarantee that they can stay in your campaign for a specific time. Otherwise people would fear that they are thrown out before the BTC pay rate will surpass other campaigns that pay in USD.

If it's really a campaign that is intended to run for very long, then I would work with pre-defined ranges, where the BTC/post is already pre-set. No questions, no discussions, no manual decrease/increase, everyone involved knows what they are up to, what they will get paid or what they will have to pay in case BTC is yoyoing during the course of the campaign.

Example:



Just round the BTC rates to make it look more tidy.

You can add more/smaller ranges, especially if BTC goes sub 10k (you never know....).

You can make the $ amount higher when BTC goes south and lower when BTC goes north (people will be happy anyway if BTC goes up, especially if they didn't spend their campaign earnings yet ).

Can easily work out some scenarios with Excel and some formulas and play around to see what you and the company you work with like the most. Then post the table with the payrates in the first post of your ANN et voilá.

I have a question.

- what should be the rate per post in your opinion if it will be a long-term campaign? (btc
- campaign not related to mixers and gambling

It's just that when the price reaches $50,000 I don't want to decrease the bid, so I would rather offer a bid that is attractive both now and in the long term (+ a fee that makes the campaign exclusive).


Please answer honestly.

Wundert mich eher dahingehend, da ja von bestimmten Protagonisten hier immer mal wieder der Tod des Forums (vehement) vorausgesagt wurde. Anscheinend dürfte dem wohl doch nicht so sein und unser Forum hier nach wie vor top besucht sein ... sonst würde auch kaum eine Firma dementsprechend viel Geld locker machen um Produkte und Dienste zu bewerben.

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Überrascht mich ehrlich gesagt gar nicht so. Gerade die Bärenmarkt-Phase nutzen die Firmen um ihre Produkte weiterzuentwickeln oder überhaupt auf Marktreife zu bringen. Jetzt, wo die Kurse gefühlt doch nach oben zeigen, kann man durchaus bereits mit der Bewerbung von Produkten beginnen die neu auf den Markt drängen - wie z.B. die verschiedenen Mixer, die man hier auch im DACH-Bereich jetzt zu Gesicht bekommt! Alles in allem natürlich aber eine top Entwicklung!

Aktuell gibt es wirklich eine riesen Auswahl an Kampagnen.
Wenn hier nicht täglich mitliest verliert man tatsächlich den Überblick aber schön wenn das Forum (bzw. die Kampagnenanbieter) nicht in Schockstarre verfallen ist (sind)

Es ist soweit Hhampuz hat gerade für die Roobet Kampagne die neuen Signaturen gepostet.



Finde ich eigentlich auch überraschend weil wir noch in einem Bärenmarkt sind, gefühlt sind nach dem letzten Signatur Loch jetzt besser ausgestattet als zuvor.


Ja die Vergütung ist bis zu 25 Beiträgen der selbe, außer wie von dir erwähnt mit einem weiteren Avatar Kampagne. 25 Beiträge in sehr guter und entsprechender Qualität ist aber eh nicht wirklich leicht, da muss man schon in vielen Forum Bereichen unterwegs sein.

Ich bin noch nicht so lange dabei aber finde auch, dass gerade seit Chipmixers Absturz, richtig interessante Kampagnen zur Verfügung stehen. Ein wenig bedenken machen mir die vielen Mixer, die nun beworben werden. Hoffentlich können sich da alle etablieren oder zumindest die richtigen
Wäre schade, wenn nach ein paar Wochen die ersten Mixer die Werbung einstellen, weil die Konkurrenz hier schon zu groß ist.

Zum Beispiel sollte Whirlwind aber wenn der Service genutzt wird durch die Gebühren auch genügend Einnahmen generieren. Chipmixer war ja damals komplett kostenlos, wenn man die Chipgrößen richtig beachtet hat.

Zudem sehe ich Whirlwind aktuell als fast gleichwertig gegenüber Chipmixer an. Wenn man nicht gerade mehr als 25 Beiträge pro Woche raushaut, hat man ja letztlich den gleichen Verdienst. Wobei man bei Chipmixer noch den Avatar selbst wählen durfte oder? Da konnte man natürlich nochmal ein bisschen mehr verdienen.