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In fact that is whales’ strategy how to earn a lot of money. So as whales hold thousands of BTC they have some influence on the market and can dump and pump it. But whales have some advantage of all the other traders. They know exactly where is the ATL and where is the ATH because they regulate this processes.

They have the advantage to make the market dump or pump. They rinse and repeat the activity they do.

If they sell many bitcoins at the same time, the market will be moved and when they have the profit already. They will wait for the market to plunge and will buy those cheap bitcoins again.

And then, the market will pump.

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Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 11:38:04 AM

If you brought low and it was now high, then you could start off selling high and keep selling lower to lower the price. People like a bargain would keep buying as it went down. As long as you don't go below your "low" then you know you could immediately buy it all back for a fraction of what you sold it for? Is there a name for this tactic?

Maybe you do talk about average down in forex terms where you are trying out to accumulate even if its way heading down but be careful because accumulating much might result
on ending up to further losses if you havent realized that you had bought too much.

When it comes to whale tactics then its pretty common but we wouldnt know on when they do make out such moves because you cant point out if this one
is a whale doing or just simple retail traders do make out the same move.

And this is what makes trading even way more harder.

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BTFD for shortcut. Tongue

I don't usually use that term but as long as it goes down, just buy the dip. That's what we say with that strategy. Take your profits and wait until it goes lower.

Just a cycle of strategy that you can repeatedly do.

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We can't avoid it in this market, for those who have a huge money they could change the market movement. Although there is a bad fundamental factor if they buy the coin then the market sentiment will change.

Because this thing can't be predicted, when bitcoin price is low we will expect the price will go low more than that so as we can buy at the lower price, otherwise when bitcoin price up we will be afraid that there will be a correction.

Moreover with many instutional investor who interested to bitcoin, the pump and dump scenario will always happen. But, if we know that this can be an opportunity for us as retail investor. One thing that we should know, when bitcoin price is drop then there will be a time for the price up quickly because the other intutional investor will buy at a certain price.

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Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 11:38:04 AM

If you brought low and it was now high, then you could start off selling high and keep selling lower to lower the price. People like a bargain would keep buying as it went down. As long as you don't go below your "low" then you know you could immediately buy it all back for a fraction of what you sold it for? Is there a name for this tactic?

Pump and dump is not only a whale strategy. Not until you hodl many coin so high in price that you are a whale or that you have pumped it, you can pump by creating fund about it even when you have little of the coin. You can create such panic by making stories up. However, pumping to dump a coin doesn't really go the way it is planned. You pump a coin but may not have understanding of the height of the coin and may hodl until others dump before you do.

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If I bought at a low price, and the price now is high, I will not sell at once, but I will sell for some portion and hold the rest for the next higher price. If the price does not increase higher but the price is down, I will buy it again using that, but I will not use the profit to buy that coin and will keep it in my account. I do not sell when the price goes lower to a lower price because that will make my profit smaller. I do not know the name for that tactic, but maybe that buys low and sells high.

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Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 11:38:04 AM

If you brought low and it was now high, then you could start off selling high and keep selling lower to lower the price. People like a bargain would keep buying as it went down. As long as you don't go below your "low" then you know you could immediately buy it all back for a fraction of what you sold it for? Is there a name for this tactic?

Lol what are we going to call that tactics, a Pump-Dump-Pump? Huh

Because, you bought at lower price and let’s assume that the investment you made at a lower price increased the market price of the asset and then you sold to bring it lower, if your investment can actually bring that asset to a lower price when you sold it, then you’re really the one pumping and dumping the coin.

If you invest back at a fraction of the price you bought it for you’re going to pumping it again I guess. Anyway I don’t think such thing can happen with Bitcoin because the market is really big now, it’s only all these small altcoins that faces such.

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Quote from: justdimin on March 03, 2021, 05:40:26 AM

I believe that kind of DCA is something that would work for anyone, not just whale but any small time investor as well. First of all, if you have 100 bucks you do not care about this, not like you are going to suddenly get rich from buying bitcoin, hell even if it did 10x from here (which is quite difficult) you would still have only 1000 dollars and I do not care where you live, even if you live in the poorest nations in the world, you are going to end up with something that would profit you in the end but not change your life, you can't live with that kind of money forever, hence I believe we should not really be looking at that as a good investment.

However if you invest a bit more, you could basically have a decent amount of grinding that would mean something, so you should both invest more and invest into alts as well to make a decent return and best way to do that is DCA considering how volatile they are.

I have heard about that method. What is it called and are there any more details anywhere?

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Quote from: darewaller on March 02, 2021, 06:37:03 AM

Well, then maybe it can be termed as Dump and Pump, as you sell the coins you hold and then once you get the money from selling, you can then buy and hence pump the market. I don't think its much of a difference because either ways anyone manipulating the market is playing pump and dump.

That sounds more like it.

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whales we can't reach and can't tell when they Pump 'and when they Dump. even when we fell asleep, they actually did dump and we didn't have time to choose a partner to secure our portfolio. well this is a tradition where we feel the manipulation should end soon and let the market move naturally. but it can't be denied that the whales have made us 100x profit and even 100x lost. So we acted as bait for dumping and hook for pumping.

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Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 11:38:04 AM

If you brought low and it was now high, then you could start off selling high and keep selling lower to lower the price. People like a bargain would keep buying as it went down. As long as you don't go below your "low" then you know you could immediately buy it all back for a fraction of what you sold it for? Is there a name for this tactic?

That's the basics of a trading an asset, as long as you didn't sell at your lower low then you will be in profits but never try yo sell simply because someone is selling somewhere which is the tactic to get manipulated.

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Quote from: ubercool on March 02, 2021, 06:47:28 AM

It's a common tactic in investments. When you buy or sell, don't do it all at once, you go with the slabs, that way your average purchase rate will get lower than your first purchase rate and it will be easier to break even in a red market. This tactic also works the opposite way in the Bull market, like if you had sold all your BQX when it was first doubled at 900 sat then you won't be making any profit now when it has reached 13.7k sat. Cry

I believe that kind of DCA is something that would work for anyone, not just whale but any small time investor as well. First of all, if you have 100 bucks you do not care about this, not like you are going to suddenly get rich from buying bitcoin, hell even if it did 10x from here (which is quite difficult) you would still have only 1000 dollars and I do not care where you live, even if you live in the poorest nations in the world, you are going to end up with something that would profit you in the end but not change your life, you can't live with that kind of money forever, hence I believe we should not really be looking at that as a good investment.

However if you invest a bit more, you could basically have a decent amount of grinding that would mean something, so you should both invest more and invest into alts as well to make a decent return and best way to do that is DCA considering how volatile they are.

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Quote from: dansus021 on February 28, 2021, 10:41:04 PM

Yes

its happen like everyday, check it https://whale-alert.io/ or just simply on binance using 2 BTC for market ordering considering as whale

Especially when talking about highly liquid trading pairs like BTC/USDT, good luck moving the price with only 2 BTC though. It would take A LOT more than 2 BTC to move to have a significant effect. With that low of a capital, your only chance with potentially manipulating prices is with low-cap altcoins.

Agree. Considering the current market cap for the BTC you will need bigger amounts of BTC to move the price even slightly. Remember how the price of bitcoin surged with 3-4 thousand USD's when Elon invested around 1.5 Billion USD. That's the huge amount of BTC to move the market. Now just imagine if you want to make 1-2% change in the value of BTC then you will need to check the daily trading volume in buying order and selling orders. You will have to overcome the selling cost for sure so that you can make mega move.

But, obviously you will need very fat wallet and mindset that you will loose huge in the process.

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Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 11:38:04 AM

keep selling lower to lower the price.

i dont get this .
why would you sell low when you already done selling at a higher price and selling low dont make the price of the coin low but it was when we sell at high all together .

You shouldn't think about bitcoin when you read OP because it is not about bitcoin, it works perfectly for shitcoins though. For example look at any of the altcoins in CMC, if you sell a large enough amount of them their market crashes. Most of them with very small amount of money like 0.1BTC. Then you can also follow that up with a pump.
Like shitcoin that went from 1000 satoshi to 200 then was pumped to 5000 before dumping again to 900. This whole process is filled with a lot of profit for the pump and dumpers and it is very easy to do to any of the altcoins.

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In fact, whales have many tactics. Much more than you think. The tactics that the author describes are quite dangerous. After all, your sales can be outbid by other whales. Typically, selling pressure alone isn't enough. It is advisable to add negative information background. FOOD. It is necessary to catch up on the depression on the holders of the asset and impose a pessimistic view of the asset on people.

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This works if you have the highest shares. Grin

You will need like 30-50 percent of the total amount of coin just to make it move.
And there is no assurance it will.
Trying to join with groups of high amount holders will do the trick.

I don't know what its called but it could be just simply "trading". Grin

In businesses it normally happens. Buy bulks with the lowest bidder then sell it high in retail.

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Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 11:38:04 AM

keep selling lower to lower the price.

i dont get this .
why would you sell low when you already done selling at a higher price and selling low dont make the price of the coin low but it was when we sell at high all together .

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people like a bargain would keep buying as it went down. As long as you don't go below your "low" then you know you could immediately buy it all back for a fraction of what you sold it for? Is there a name for this tactic?

if the price go down below your buying limit that is great because you can buy for more .
i guess the name of that tactic is buy low sell high because that is what your trying to portray .

its not what you called a whale tactic but whales do use this tactic in addition to the advanced tactics that they have

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It's a common tactic in investments. When you buy or sell, don't do it all at once, you go with the slabs, that way your average purchase rate will get lower than your first purchase rate and it will be easier to break even in a red market. This tactic also works the opposite way in the Bull market, like if you had sold all your BQX when it was first doubled at 900 sat then you won't be making any profit now when it has reached 13.7k sat. Cry

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Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 11:38:04 AM

If you brought low and it was now high, then you could start off selling high and keep selling lower to lower the price. People like a bargain would keep buying as it went down. As long as you don't go below your "low" then you know you could immediately buy it all back for a fraction of what you sold it for? Is there a name for this tactic?

I would say its Pump and Dump technique and a very common tactic but only works in markets where the volume is low. Now days because the bitcoin market is so big and a lot of big names are also investing so I don't think one can play with the market like they might have done before. Yes you can sell when the market is high and buy when the market is low, that's common and normal trading because then the market is moving itself and you aren't manipulating it.

Quote from: thirdprize on February 28, 2021, 01:47:58 PM

Pump and dump is the opposite. That is inflating the market abs selling at the top. Completely different. You need the power to pump it which is the hard bit.

Well, then maybe it can be termed as Dump and Pump, as you sell the coins you hold and then once you get the money from selling, you can then buy and hence pump the market. I don't think its much of a difference because either ways anyone manipulating the market is playing pump and dump.

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Quote from: mk4 on February 28, 2021, 11:10:36 PM

Quote from: dansus021 on February 28, 2021, 10:41:04 PM

Yes

its happen like everyday, check it https://whale-alert.io/ or just simply on binance using 2 BTC for market ordering considering as whale

Especially when talking about highly liquid trading pairs like BTC/USDT, good luck moving the price with only 2 BTC though. It would take A LOT more than 2 BTC to move to have a significant effect. With that low of a capital, your only chance with potentially manipulating prices is with low-cap altcoins.

Manipulate price of bitcoin with 2 BTC. Insane if it can be used nowadays. Huh

Any attempt to manipulate the market of bitcoin requires to have big capital, long time of preparation and magnificent set of skills. To direct and distort the technical indicators, it takes half of a month at least or 3 months to manipulate the trend.

Manipulators must know which indicators they can use to direct the chart and with less costs.

Lastly, they have to combine skills they have and seed their news to media. It is not a game for children. Grin

Just before the recent drop there was talk of a whale moving a billion dollars worth of btc into an OTC account. That is probably enough to manipulate the market.

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