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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

there is no reason for a casino to hold your legitimate winnings. unless your account has a problem. also, pay attention to where you play. if you try a casino that you just found and its reputation is still unclear, maybe you are playing at a scam casino. you will only lose your funds without winning.

so before judging a casino as unfair by not paying your winnings or even suspending your account. first, try to check if you missed something that should be known and if you violated it.
if you still feel something unfair happened to you, then you can create a thread on the forum with accusations against the casino. of course, consider your strong evidence and ask the casino forum representative to provide an explanation to resolve the case.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

The newly tricks nowadays is account connection despite having passed kyc and all necessary documents you would be blocked from having access to your account, if you went further they would pushed you to mail communication after having chatted with livesupport for several time and that would be the end. So while gambling it's advisable not to have multiple accounts created in one casino otherwise that could easily leads to the ban of your account if paradventure you have huge winning then they would come up with their ToS and limits you from taking your funds. You need to avoid all these if you must withdraw your winnings successfully from gambling/casino site these days.

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This is literally the third thread that you created recently talking about the same topic. This is weird and I have no idea what you are trying to achieve here op. Below are the links to the other two threads.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5507234

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64464579

Seems like you are trying to play with big amounts in certain crypto gambling sites and are worried about whether they will block your funds or you are just trying to scam them. Odd that very few members noticed this stuff.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 27, 2024, 02:38:49 AM

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I've been waiting for a withdrawal from Frebitcoin for 5 days now... I wrote to support, and I got a reply that they received my request and that's it. That was 2-3 days ago... Except for writing to support we can open a scam accusation here on the forum, and we can do the same in some casino review sites (AskGamblers, TrustPilot...).

It is not surprising considering that they have been in problems for months, which means that their almost ten-year reputation has completely collapsed and that so far all such and similar problems are not the exception but the rule. I hope that in the end you will still get what is yours, even if you had to wait a lot longer than usual.

As for excuses, I would say that in any online business you can have as many excuses as you want, especially if you are relatively anonymous and the fact is that 99% of clients will not sue you even if they are 100% sure that they are right. Being honest and pretending to be honest are two different things.

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Quote from: Strongkored on August 27, 2024, 05:47:03 AM

The accusations I have ever received are multi accounts and they require KYC to prove that I do not have more than one account, and some of the accusations I have read on this forum are also quite a lot with the reason for multi accounts so that the casino asks for KYC.

It’s proven that KYC will never bail you out if your account has a record of shared IP to other user especially if there’s similarities on game style on time.

There’s a lot of scam accusation that related to multiple account that still not resolved after fulfilling the KYC since KYC verification can be done by other people in exchange for payment. There’s a lot of services that offer KYC verification that is why casino usually doesn’t care about that info if they have evidence such as strong connection with shared IP.

Do you experience this personally? How do you get out of their accusations?

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

They resort to accusing players of multi accounting without showing stong evidence I can name 1xbit as one casino who is notorious of doing that, they accuse you of cheating then they ignore you, to avoid this neve rplay on unknown casinos and on casinos with proven accusation that of not paying their players eventhough the winning is legit.

And on your second question,, the best options is to expose them, you can open a scam thread here in Bitcointalk and review sites like CasinoGuru, that will ruin their reputation, to avoid all of these its better to choose the right casino to play on.

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The accusations I have ever received are multi accounts and they require KYC to prove that I do not have more than one account, and some of the accusations I have read on this forum are also quite a lot with the reason for multi accounts so that the casino asks for KYC.
There are some that I finally choose not to do what the casino asks because I don't trust the casino but there are also I did what the casino asks because KYC is only at level 1 so there are no documents that must be uploaded and I trust the casino.
To prevent this, players must be willing to take the time to read the T&C because this is quite important and unfortunately many players ignore it because they feel it is not important, especially seeing the long text.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

If they are legitimate the casino won't do any tricks just to delay your payouts since they process those request without any question.

But if the casino is scam usually the trick they do is they tell that they found something suspicious activity happening in your account then they request a KYC. If that happen then delaying tactics will happen and they might think about the user will just get bored on all the process and place again their winnings waiting for them to lose all what they have. Common practice of scam casinos.

So with these incident choose reputable and casinos in bitcointalk is more reliable than unknown sites.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

First is KYC as this is whgat most casino tries to use to prevent us from withdrawing.

Second is our gambling activities being question as marking us cheater(when the truth is they are the cheater)

Third ? the casino is scammer and there is nothing you can do about it .

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I mean, if a business goal is to scam people they will never pay you out whether you win it legitimately or not. I never heard people make successful attempts at recovering their money from scam business, maybe if they want to sue or report them to police there will be investigation, but that's that. You can't really do anything which is why people never recommend you to spend the money you can't afford to lose and use new/unreliable platform.

If we're talking about reputable casino, I don't think they will intentionally witheld your winnings unless they make a huge mistake like what happened with Crypto sending $10m to someone. CMIIW. I think some of their excuses are kinda similar, check out the scam accusations board if you want to know more. Remember that most of them are self-reported so you'll need to verify them first.

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Majority of the reason why casino find excuse not to release winner's fund is kyc. If a player has a faulty kyc update or has not been verified, he should be sure that such excuse must come especially when he hit them big. No one wants to part with big amount when you have not done the legal requirements to merit it and so, casinos would make sure they turn your payment down until you have done all verification. It is more taxing to do a kyc when you have won big and casinos that are not quite genuine may rely on the kyc to frustrate you from being paid and you may result to VPN which would make you fall into the trap. Thus, it is better completing kyc before initiating deposit.

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Wait, how you scam the casino in the first place? Cheesy

please elaborate.

There are many excuses like verifying KYC, cheating, using multiple accounts, using VPN, match fixing etc etc. Usually the casino will say "your account are under investigation" and they will not promise when it will be resolved, but it can take up to many weeks or 6 months.

Sometime they also have rules to not being rude and attacking the casinos, so if you use bad words to them, they technically allowed to confiscate your funds.

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There should be no excuses, if it says that the withdrawal is instant, then it should be instant. I understand a delay of a few hours, even 24 hours, but anything beyond that is just stalling on the part of the casino that hurts them and is very irritating for the users.

I've been waiting for a withdrawal from Frebitcoin for 5 days now... I wrote to support, and I got a reply that they received my request and that's it. That was 2-3 days ago... Except for writing to support we can open a scam accusation here on the forum, and we can do the same in some casino review sites (AskGamblers, TrustPilot...).

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?

Fake KYC might be the main reason why a casino might not pay you. They might claim that you used a bought identity to register.

There are times when casinos claim that you won because there was a technical problem. In that case, your win will be assumed to be a system error. A friend was denied his win because the casino said there was a display error. Which means the screen is showing a win that never happened.

Bonus exploitation by using multiple accounts is another reason they give to deny your financial reward.

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What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Complain to the support team with proof that you never violated the terms of service.

Report to a community in which the casino has a presence like Bitcointalk

Report the problem to third-party casino ratings or review sites.

Consider reporting to the casino's licensors.

Seek legal advice from a professional.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Lower the chances of letting this happen to you mate, and that's by

1. Using only highly reputable online casinos, stay away from casinos that are not available through this forum.
2. Go through the online casinos ToS (Terms of Services) before doing anything else.
3. If possible to pass KYC verifications before you start using the casino then do it, though some won't make it available until you win big.

I would stay away from using VPN services, things will get more complicated when you are asked to drop your information like national ID card and your location isn't the same as your information says, you will just make things a lot harder for yourself.

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Well, apart from what my colleagues have said, which are common excuses, there is a casino that is well known because it does not pay you and does not give you any excuse. Simply the hot wallet from which the withdrawal has to be paid is empty and if the owner doesn't have the balls to fill it, he doesn't pay you, no excuses. At some point in the future it will, but by then more than one nervous player will have already bet what he had in the casino and lost.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Any services not just casinos in the crypto world are very sneaky, there were even reported that services that is ban in this community that rug pulled a customer with a huge amount of Bitcoin. So in any case, there are still some sneaky casinos, maybe they are fly by night or hasn't established their reputation here so you must avoid them at all cost or casinos that have been flagged by the community already. But in any case, if you fall for their trick, I guess it's very hard to get back your crypto + winnings. Maybe you can reach out to 3rd party mediators as the last resort just to be able to get your winnings. But then again, this as scammers so I doubt that they are willing to cooperate to anyone and then they will just continue and more likely someone will still get scammed by them.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Just as others have said, the most commons issues that gamblers face when it comes to online casino is the issue of kyc - when players hit a big win it’s very common for casinos to asked them complete their kyc verification before they’ll let go of the winning. In some cases they can also use ToS - like them using vpn, multi account and some stuffs like that - but the most common is that of kyc described above.

But if you make use of a good casino, one that has been around for a long time and it’s known for resolving issues with their customers in a very good manner then you shouldn’t be worried about all of these, even if they asked you to submit documents you should still be able to withdraw after the process unlike those that will hit you with the “fake documents, stolen documents, unable to verify the authenticity of your documents, etc”.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Why they need an excuse to hold your account. Legit casino like Stake will allow withdrawal instantly without the need to hold someone account assuming that you win it fairly.

However scammer casino has a lot of excuse they can throw at you such as delaying KYC approval, multiple account, abuse on bonuses and worst is the general violation of the ToS without any specific details which they are allowed to do due to their ToS that you agree which they can hold/freeze an account whenever they want without explaining further.

In conclusion, there’s a lot of possible excuse so just play on reputable casino to avoid this headache.

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I think the trick is they ask you to do KYC and you follow it but they decide not to pay you out and not let you withdraw your money. If you complaint to them, they will not give an answer and just quite pretending that you are not existed. If you playing gambling at not reputable casino or not trust casino, you will get tricks from the casino and you will lose your money. They can also delay the time to answer you and makes you waiting without any solution from them.

You don't have any options to get your money because they will not pay you and the worst are they can close or frozen your account without telling you. That will make you confuse and asking them but they will not response anything. So that is why you must be careful choosing the casino and make sure you read review from many members here.

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