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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Some casinos use KYC as an excuse to not let you withdraw your winnings. For example, imagine that you made a deposit, won a huge amount of money and want to withdraw, then casinos ask you to submit KYC because they think your funds are suspicious but in reality, they gamble with you with the hope that you'll give up on your winning because of KYC requirement. Sometimes, even when you submit KYC, they still make the withdrawal procedure very hard for you and ask for additional proofs, video calls and etc...
All of these usually get resolved when you open a scam accusation thread on Bitcointalk but in that case, the casino must be active here and should be oriented about their trust here.

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Use trustworthy casino. Read the casino terms of service. Get verified first before you deposit. Do not have more than one account.

FortuneJack is considered to be a trustworthy casino but one user was complaining about not casino not letting him to get verified first before making a deposit.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?

They have countless tricks to scam you, which is why it's important to choose a reputable casino if you want to avoid problems in the future. Even reputable casinos might face these issues occasionally, but at least it's not rampant, allowing you to minimize the risk.

Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Post a scam accusation; they scammed you, so you can also damage their reputation. By sharing your experience, you can help others learn and make them aware to stay away from a scam casino. This way, you seek justice for what they've done to you.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 28, 2024, 05:43:45 PM

geo location breaches since some players are to hard-headed even with the terms stating that their country is banned, they circumvent their location by using VPN and whine about the reputable casino not letting them withdraw.

If the casino is a scammer, there is no need for a reason, they just block the player and give false statements but often these scam casinos just don't bother.

That's true, some players are already aware why their account got restricted but they create an accusation thread and act like they don't know their fault. Once a casino discovers that a player have violated their TOs, they rustic the account without giving any warning or without asking the player to withdraw the money in their balance.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 28, 2024, 05:43:45 PM

I agree reputable casinos often block withdrawal due to possible breaches of terms aside from KYC requirements. Most I read where reputable casino block withdrawal is multi-accounting. geo location breaches since some players are to hard-headed even with the terms stating that their country is banned, they circumvent their location by using VPN and whine about the reputable casino not letting them withdraw.

If the casino is a scammer, there is no need for a reason, they just block the player and give false statements but often these scam casinos just don't bother.

In short, if the casino is reputable - mostly it is because you violated one of their terms or you haven't completed their kyc yet. But if you already completed those, then, better ask the site why they are holding your winnings? A reputable one won't ruin their image by one complaint from their players.

It is different if the site is a known scammer, they will find so many reasons not to pay big winnings to their players. So if you believe you have no violations at all, it means, the site is scamming you and before they delete your record, better get all the snapshots that you think can help you when you file or publish your complaint. Lucky if the site has active thread here as people can help you out resolve your case.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 28, 2024, 04:39:44 PM

If it's not a scammy casino and perhaps it's a reputable casino, they don't have any reason not to pay you off your winning, the only reason they will have not to do so is if the customer brakes any rules and sometimes, customers brake rules without even knowing it And what usually causes that is their inability read terms and conditions of the casino. If after trying everything and yet you can't get access to your funds on the casino, you will have to abandon it.

I agree reputable casinos often block withdrawal due to possible breaches of terms aside from KYC requirements. Most I read where reputable casino block withdrawal is multi-accounting. geo location breaches since some players are to hard-headed even with the terms stating that their country is banned, they circumvent their location by using VPN and whine about the reputable casino not letting them withdraw.

If the casino is a scammer, there is no need for a reason, they just block the player and give false statements but often these scam casinos just don't bother.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

The newly tricks nowadays is account connection despite having passed kyc and all necessary documents you would be blocked from having access to your account, if you went further they would pushed you to mail communication after having chatted with livesupport for several time and that would be the end. So while gambling it's advisable not to have multiple accounts created in one casino otherwise that could easily leads to the ban of your account if paradventure you have huge winning then they would come up with their ToS and limits you from taking your funds. You need to avoid all these if you must withdraw your winnings successfully from gambling/casino site these days.

If the casino block a gambler account for account connection, and because of that withheld the fund's in that account, it means the casino action against such gambler is justifiable because multiple accounting is against most casinos rules and for sure anyone that goes against such a rule will face the penalty for such actions.
I don't think any casino/gambling site would deliberately blocked someone account after winning without any violation of their rules, usually there are terms that binds gamblers but only few of us find it easier to read and understand them before going further to make account and make deposit into the casino. Though it's true that most casinos does that for no reason since they aren't having upto that amount in their possession they would look for a better story to cook on that user just restriction them from making withdrawal.

The one that I hate most is when a casino block accounts immediately the gambler win a big amount in games, because obviously that action is taken just to frustrate the gambler unnecessarily because only scam casinos does that just to withheld the fund's in they possession.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

The newly tricks nowadays is account connection despite having passed kyc and all necessary documents you would be blocked from having access to your account, if you went further they would pushed you to mail communication after having chatted with livesupport for several time and that would be the end. So while gambling it's advisable not to have multiple accounts created in one casino otherwise that could easily leads to the ban of your account if paradventure you have huge winning then they would come up with their ToS and limits you from taking your funds. You need to avoid all these if you must withdraw your winnings successfully from gambling/casino site these days.

If the casino block a gambler account for account connection, and because of that withheld the fund's in that account, it means the casino action against such gambler is justifiable because multiple accounting is against most casinos rules and for sure anyone that goes against such a rule will face the penalty for such actions.

The one that I hate most is when a casino block accounts immediately the gambler win a big amount in games, because obviously that action is taken just to frustrate the gambler unnecessarily because only scam casinos does that just to withheld the fund's in they possession.

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If it's not a scammy casino and perhaps it's a reputable casino, they don't have any reason not to pay you off your winning, the only reason they will have not to do so is if the customer brakes any rules and sometimes, customers brake rules without even knowing it And what usually causes that is their inability read terms and conditions of the casino. If after trying everything and yet you can't get access to your funds on the casino, you will have to abandon it.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Actually some even not giving reason but just holding our funds to the extend that they even block or banned us because of our withdrawals.

this is how gambling scammers act .

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

KYC is the number one problem here. Sometimes the casinos don't have solid proof of play in a banned jurisdiction and they confiscate winnings and deposits. They just make a claim with whimsical proof. Some will only confiscate winnings. The large casinos, even with those that have huge followings here are no exception. Casinos players are normally safe from getting winnings taken away but sports players have to be careful. They know a sharp sports bettor will continue to beat them. The casino may steal deposits since they don't want their action.

Stall tactics are also used by both small and large casinos here. Everyone gets profiled and they realize that some players aren't going to stop playing while being slow paid.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?

First of all, why are you choosing such a shady casino? There are already many legitimate casinos available on the market, and that too with a good reputation. Always try to play in these casinos to save yourself from getting scammed.
Now regarding the tricks that casinos use, they will change the terms and conditions page of their casino if they find any big player is sucking all their bankroll. They might force you to undergo KYC, and upon finding your country of residence, they might edit their restricted nations list. If a casino is a scam casino, then in order to scam your money, they can go to any level. Hence, choose your casinos wisely.

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What is the best site for gamblers similar level to bitcoin talk?

I can't say that there is a "best" in this category... sometimes this forum helps, and sometimes one of the review sites helps. The good thing about this forum is that some crypto casinos have active representatives here. Then it's easier to get in touch with them, but that's only true for some crypto casinos. The vast majority of crypto casinos have never come to the forum.

The best thing we can do is to write a complaint wherever we can, and after that, we can only hope for the best.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on August 27, 2024, 05:57:36 PM

.... as soon as it involved huge amount they now start coming up with different stories and it's unfortunate that to fight casino companies is very stressful because you will be required to show a lot of proofs as evidence ...

Quote from: NAPK1NS_RA3 on August 27, 2024, 06:01:31 PM

many sites will allow you to lose millions no problem but if you are winning consistently they will limit you quickly, and when they realize that you aren't a gambler and follow a system, they will outright ban you....the thing is, they don't need a reason, it's in their TOS...at any time they can ban you or confiscate funds if there is suspicion of wrong-doing, even if you are innocent

Quote from: Coin_trader on August 26, 2024, 10:26:36 PM

Legit casino like Stake will allow withdrawal instantly without the need to hold someone account assuming that you win it fairly.
...just play on reputable casino to avoid this headache.

Even Vegas casino's ban honest winners so what makes Stake so special? Stake doesn't have AAA rating look here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5283832
list of Stake rip-off accusations here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-scam-accusation-cases-against-betting-platform-on-the-forum-5481683

Quote from: iv4n on August 27, 2024, 02:38:49 AM

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Quote from: Gozie51 on August 27, 2024, 03:54:48 AM

...it is better completing kyc before initiating deposit.

If you do all that upfront, and then win big, can 'trusted' casino's ask for more KYC, like street where you live etc? Like never ending, more and more KYC?

Quote from: joniboini on August 27, 2024, 04:09:48 AM

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How much balance is max one should keep at 'trusted' casino's? Because someone mentioned 1Xbit.com of scamming only big bank rollshttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267172.7840 They appear to go by various names like 1xbit/1xbet as well as being Indian sport sponsors? so much for trusted sites. Their sneaky method is know as selective scamming.

Conclusion may not be good idea to place very big money into any online casino go to real casino (not online)

casino's to avoid
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list of possible best casino
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sports book scam allegations list
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KYC list casino's
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scam accusation board
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many sites will allow you to lose millions no problem but if you are winning consistently they will limit you quickly, and when they realize that you aren't a gambler and follow a system, they will outright ban you

the thing is, they don't need a reason, it's in their TOS

at any time they can ban you or confiscate funds if there is suspicion of wrong-doing, even if you are innocent

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Most casino companies are scammers because it's only when you win a huge amount that you will see them bringing up too many rules, terms and conditions you breached while gambling on their site which they cared less about when you had little or no winnings but as soon as it involved huge amount they now start coming up with different stories and it's unfortunate that to fight casino companies is very stressful because you will be required to show a lot of proofs as evidence to show that the casino didn't pay your winnings so the best way to stay out of manipulations from casino companies is to stake little amounts and also aim to win little amounts then you won't have many problems with casino companies.

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There is no need to give excuse to gamblers when they win, on a casino because gambling is all about winning and losing, and once a gambler wins the gambling site will pay off in full, so there is no need to give gambler an excuse when the win, and any casino that does that is pourly a scam casino and it should be avoided.

The only gambling sites that does give gamblers some silly excuse is 1xbit who are already known scam casino and we always warn gamblers to stay off from them, but aside from that, there is no logical reason for a casino to hold players money that they won.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

when we abide in the rules and the regulation of casino platform I don't think that they will withheld your winning if you go through process but there is there some certain gambling platforms that is purposely meant for scam and there are the one that will resist to allow you for making a withdrawal when you have won or win in their platform but if it is a genuine gambling platform I think that they will credit you whatever thing you have or whatever thing you win from their platform but a scam platform of casino most to give an excuse in order to embezzle your funds from their platform

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

Before you accused any casinos of trying to withhold your money, be sure that the fault is not coming from you. Have you read the casino's terms and conditions?
Have you acquainted yourself with the casino rules and you're sure you haven’t broken any of those rules?
Most gamblers will ignore basic findings like this and come out to blame the casinos once they sense any delay in withdrawing their funds.

You are free to take legal actions against a casino that refuses to pay you what is duly yours as long as you are sure that you are not the problem. You can actually save yourself from the stress of battling with a casino over your winnings if you take your time to sort for trustworthy casinos and work with them alone.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on August 26, 2024, 07:17:19 PM

Are there any sneaky tricks casino's use to not pay you out when if your not scamming?
What options do you have when they won't?
Thanks in advance.

People come to the casino behind the expected victory target because they feel safe and well served when making deposits and withdrawals. Casino aims not to cheat even though there is a casino that ultimately deceiving users who don't care he won the victory with legitimate or not.

Don't be surprised when many recommend a trusted casino before registering at the casino if what is meant is online casino.
Cunning tricks, only they as employees understand whether they use it not to pay for players.
Trusted Casino I think I don't want his reputation to be damaged because of a small bet not to be paid.

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It can be hard to do, but i recommend that one should read the terms of service of any casino that they use, if they say they can request kyc from their customers at anytime, take note that if you win big, they will request you complete kyc, so if you are someone who does not want to give out your data, you may want to stop using such a casino.

However, it is necessary to read reviews about any casino you intend to use, read how well they have handled issues of other customers in the past and check what most people say about them, this can save you from losing money to a casino.

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