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Quote from: chaser15 on October 13, 2020, 01:00:32 PM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on October 13, 2020, 12:35:48 PM

But I could not consider blackjack as a form of skill games because most of the skill games require more physical activity, practice, and time to win.

Blackjack is a skill-game when you are against real-human. Skill is needed here because you are about to challenge against the dealer's card. If you are against the house, then you are purely relying on luck.

There is a call for every turn so it depends on how far you are satisfied with your card set.

Just like in Poker, that specific executed call will be the basis of how your opponents will make their next move.

I just heard that the site blackjack.fun, a gambling site that purely focuses on blackjack, will add multiplayer features. That's the battle between skills if that will implement.

The problem is that the skill ceiling in blackjack is very low and any croupier who has completed the course will easily beat any professional blackjack player simply due to the fact that mathematics is on his side. In poker, the situation is roughly similar, but all the players are on equal terms.

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Quote from: Porfirii on October 11, 2020, 04:37:06 PM

I don't remember where exactly I read those studies as it was long ago and I don't have a special interest in the topic, just curiosity.

But in wikipedia they talk about this phenomenon related to skill games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_of_control

And I have found an abstract at Elsevier about a research that could be interesting to read https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0148296315001320

I hope you enjoy

The illusion of control is real but it is the most prominent when the game is completely based on luck, after all there is nothing you can do for the roulette to fall on the number you want and yet I see many strategies for the roulette online and betting patterns that supposedly give good results when it has been proven mathematically that such things do not work, however in skilled based games at least part of the illusion is real as you indeed have some control over the turn of events making it not as prevalent as it would be otherwise.

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Quote from: Paredao on October 13, 2020, 10:58:34 PM

I just voted for the skill games. Who wants to bet with me that who will win the poll is the skill games? Cheesy

There's no doubt the skill games will win on the poll rather than the chance game since in skill games there's a higher chance of winning and your winning is based on your skills but if you don't have any skills at all I think the traditional slots is fit for you.

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Quote from: Paredao on October 13, 2020, 10:58:34 PM

I just voted for the skill games. Who wants to bet with me that who will win the poll is the skill games? Cheesy

hahahahaha I'd bet on skill games too.

Skill games are much cooler imo.

Way better to be able to be rewarded by your habiities and having the possibility of improving in a game than only playing and having to rely in pure luck.
From the skill games poker is quite cool.

I'd also consider trading as a game of skill as some pointed here.
A lot of discipline and emotional control is needed.

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I just voted for the skill games. Who wants to bet with me that who will win the poll is the skill games? Cheesy

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on October 13, 2020, 12:35:48 PM

But I could not consider blackjack as a form of skill games because most of the skill games require more physical activity, practice, and time to win.

Blackjack is a skill-game when you are against real-human. Skill is needed here because you are about to challenge against the dealer's card. If you are against the house, then you are purely relying on luck.

There is a call for every turn so it depends on how far you are satisfied with your card set.

Just like in Poker, that specific executed call will be the basis of how your opponents will make their next move.

I just heard that the site blackjack.fun, a gambling site that purely focuses on blackjack, will add multiplayer features. That's the battle between skills if that will implement.

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Quote from: seleme on October 11, 2020, 04:35:41 PM

The skills-based casino games give less R:R for gambler compared to the luck-based casino slots but the winning chance is very high depending on the ability to paly and experience. The Blackajck, Poker, and Esports are well-known skill games in both bookies and casinos, each player has a different level of playing skills which can be crucial during the gameplay. I usually prefer to count cards in Blakcjack if the deck counts are less than 8.

If you are very good at card counting, there will be no problem with it, what I mean when I say good is when your emotions don't show any signs of card counting. Because for me, it is also considered a skill. Even if we say that most of the gamblers are focusing on luck, you are already if you have the skill to memorize the cards and predict the outcome of the game. But I could not consider blackjack as a form of skill games because most of the skill games require more physical activity, practice, and time to win. An example would be arcades and word games.

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Quote from: Xinarae* on October 12, 2020, 11:48:05 PM

But gaming skills are also a big qualification big companies are realizing it and starting to value but it depends on luck.

skills and then depends on luck ? why you said qualification? you mean gaming or gambling companies will recruit you if they saw that you are skillfull enough ? thats true but what if your a solo gamer and not playing in order to get discovered . you can do what you want , play whatever style you like and dont force your self to be the best because itl only give you pressure and discouragement if ever you didnt meet your expectation .

Quote from: Xinarae* on October 12, 2020, 11:48:05 PM

if one only plays for the sake of playing and does not think about the skills with which to play the game it may not be very helpful for him to gamble.

games and gamble can be different too . games are meant to be played for fun but gambling can be played for money making and for that you need a skill but it can also be enjoyed without it

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Quote from: Xinarae* on October 12, 2020, 11:48:05 PM

But gaming skills are also a big qualification big companies are realizing it and starting to value but it depends on luck. The skills that are created by playing games and participating in competitions year after year can be put to good use in the workplace. if one only plays for the sake of playing and does not think about the skills with which to play the game it may not be very helpful for him to gamble.

Maybe that helps him enjoy playing the games because every person has their own reason for playing gambling. The gaming skills need learning to familiar and master the game, but that doesn't mean after we become a master, we will always win the games. There will be many others who have skills above us which can win those games. If you think that skill games can satisfy you, you can try to learn more about the games to have more chances to win.

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But gaming skills are also a big qualification big companies are realizing it and starting to value but it depends on luck. The skills that are created by playing games and participating in competitions year after year can be put to good use in the workplace. if one only plays for the sake of playing and does not think about the skills with which to play the game it may not be very helpful for him to gamble.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on October 12, 2020, 05:47:54 PM

Yes, we cannot deny that sometimes we need the luck even if the game is based on the skills. I understand what you mean, skill isn't the only factor to success but the luck factor is always there to be a part in determining the result. However, relying on gambling isn't the right way. You really risk your life once you rely on gambling to earn money. For me, gambling can be your side job, but not for a regular job or your main source to get income.

Actually I would not advise other people to make gambling a side job because gambling is not the right job. Gambling is a game that in reality is betting money, no one says a gambler is successful but many people would say they are lucky. Winning at gambling is hope, making the right choice and betting something on it is effort.

If gambling is made into work then money is the goal and when this perception sticks to the gambler, then I believe it is a sign of problem gambler.

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Quote from: lienfaye on October 11, 2020, 04:48:20 PM

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They are fun to play with but aside from your skills (to have an edge to win) luck is also necesssary in order to have a high chance of winning.

To increase the chances of winning the skill game requires a lot of practice. without practice, it would be difficult to win this type of skill game, as it is very different from gambling which only requires luck.

Quote from: lienfaye on October 11, 2020, 04:48:20 PM

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So having skills plus luck are needed, thats why there are gamblers who make gambling as profession or relying on it for a living.

I think gambling with bounties is almost the same even though it is different, the similarity is that both are not the right choice to become a job, maybe for additional income it doesn't matter, because if it becomes the main job and suddenly gets a loss then how to cover daily needs at that time?
but it all depends from everyone's point of view

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Quote from: lienfaye on October 11, 2020, 04:48:20 PM

~having skills plus luck are needed, thats why there are gamblers who make gambling as profession or relying on it for a living.

Yes, we cannot deny that sometimes we need the luck even if the game is based on the skills. I understand what you mean, skill isn't the only factor to success but the luck factor is always there to be a part in determining the result. However, relying on gambling isn't the right way. You really risk your life once you rely on gambling to earn money. For me, gambling can be your side job, but not for a regular job or your main source to get income.

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Quote from: witcher_sense on September 15, 2020, 08:10:21 AM

It seems to me that most people responded here confuse skill based slots with skill based games. Skill based game is a gambling game which require some prior experience, knowledge, mental and physical skills, etc. What is important here is that skill based game doesn't really rely on chance or random. An outcome depends almost purely on your skill. Examples of skill based games: poker, blackjack, betting, etc. Skill based slot can be thought of as a regular slot machine with minigame built in. It is a combination of game of chance and game of skill. Examples of skill based slots: https://blog.betway.com/casino/top-5-skill-based-slot-machines/

Following your definition of what is a skill based game, the examples you provided poker, blackjack, betting always rely on chance of random. So you need to be skilled and lucky.
The only game i enjoy to play is Chess and it's a pure skill based game which still hasn't a place in the online gaming market to win from it. However, it can be built in a game-machine where the player can play and win in different levels.
Like 70% of voters, i voted for skill based games. Seems like not everybody in the Gambling board are lucky gamblers

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Quote from: Assface16678 on October 11, 2020, 06:59:14 AM

Skill games for me are one of the risks to play because you cannot measure the capability of a person.

You consider this as risky compare to the luck and chances? Well, if you don't trust your skills in the first place you are already lost even the game hasn't started yet. It all depends on your perspective on how you see things differently even if your opponent is skillful, every gamers should have at least a secret weapon under their sleeves. It's called outsmarting your opponent just like how you play chess you planned carefully your next move, that's how skills should work.

In some point his right since sometimes we underestimate our opponent when we see them but I'm still not convinced about skill based is more riskier than luck based game since actually we cannot do anything on luck based game and we will just rely on the result at the end of the day while on skill based game we can adjust based on the gameplay of our enemy.

Well, I think it's a part of the skills or strategy to never underestimate your opponent just because you trust your skills. Always expect that the opponent had something down on their sleeves so be prepared because anytime they can throw it right in your face. That would give you a short-term shock effect if you didn't expect it to happen enough time for your opponent to flip the game.

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Quote from: Slow death on October 12, 2020, 07:13:08 AM

talking about that topic. One day someone asked me why I didn't play the lottery? I replied at the same time because it depends on luck, the person can spend years playing lottery and spend a lot of money on buying lottery tickets and someday someone will buy just one ticket and win the lottery, imagine the frustration that the person who stayed for years buy lottery tickets and never won and hear that someone else bought a lottery ticket and won? that's why I don't like luck-based gambling, I prefer sports betting I'm learning blackjack

If that person is not thinking about how many times he will spend to hit the jackpot, he will not face frustration because he buys the ticket because of fun.
He will not stop until he can win the jackpot. Besides that, to buy the lottery ticket, I am sure the price is not too expensive, and he can use only small money to buy that ticket.
The lottery gives people a hope to hit the jackpot, so many people like to buy the ticket.
Many people dream that they will win on the lottery someday, and they will not regret to spend much money to win the prizes.

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talking about that topic. One day someone asked me why I didn't play the lottery? I replied at the same time because it depends on luck, the person can spend years playing lottery and spend a lot of money on buying lottery tickets and someday someone will buy just one ticket and win the lottery, imagine the frustration that the person who stayed for years buy lottery tickets and never won and hear that someone else bought a lottery ticket and won? that's why I don't like luck-based gambling, I prefer sports betting I'm learning blackjack

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Quote from: Oceat on October 11, 2020, 01:28:00 PM

Quote from: Assface16678 on October 11, 2020, 06:59:14 AM

Skill games for me are one of the risks to play because you cannot measure the capability of a person.

You consider this as risky compare to the luck and chances? Well, if you don't trust your skills in the first place you are already lost even the game hasn't started yet. It all depends on your perspective on how you see things differently even if your opponent is skillful, every gamers should have at least a secret weapon under their sleeves. It's called outsmarting your opponent just like how you play chess you planned carefully your next move, that's how skills should work.

In some point his right since sometimes we underestimate our opponent when we see them but I'm still not convinced about skill based is more riskier than luck based game since actually we cannot do anything on luck based game and we will just rely on the result at the end of the day while on skill based game we can adjust based on the gameplay of our enemy.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 11, 2020, 06:04:38 PM

That's the wonder of playing skill games.

Even with a bad set, you can turn the table, for example with the card-game you mentioned and for other card games as well.

Luck won't just come to us if we don't have skills. And even with a good set, without skills, winnings are not always 100%. But for the part that I will use my skills to rely on gambling to make living, that's a no for me.

That's why professional gamblers are more often than not skilled in table games instead off slots, dice, roulettes, etc., because those games are mostly, if not all, reliant on luck. It's actually understandable, since making a job out of luck sounds like a joke, table games like poker on the other hand, still have that feel of actually being able to be in control, even though it may be partial. You could say that gambling is split into two sides, one for the professional and one for the casual/entertainment side, just like how other games work. Casual equates to playing both table games and luckbased games, while professional would solely be limited to table games that actually include skill instead of purely luck.

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Quote from: lienfaye on October 11, 2020, 04:48:20 PM

So having skills plus luck are needed, thats why there are gamblers who make gambling as profession or relying on it for a living.

That's the wonder of playing skill games.

Even with a bad set, you can turn the table, for example with the card-game you mentioned and for other card games as well.

Luck won't just come to us if we don't have skills. And even with a good set, without skills, winnings are not always 100%. But for the part that I will use my skills to rely on gambling to make living, that's a no for me.

We can't feel that luck if we don't do anything to win.
It called skilled-games because it definitely requires skills to play. Yeah, if you have the skill you can make a change of the game. That is why if you could look into a game between a newbie and a 10-year-old gambler, you can see the difference in how they play. Because the more you've got in gambling especially in this field, the more you have gained knowledge and improve your skills.

Games are classified into two things which are luck based and skill based and its understandable on what are the traits or characteristics that is mainly needed for you to make money
or able to win and since we do talk about skill games then it does mean that knowledge and skills will be giving you an edge to win the game and of course the last recipe would be luck
because when we do talk about gambling where you do need luck in most case.Its up to ours on how we do deal with it and we should be aware on how we gonna play
basing off on to the probabilities.

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