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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 16, 2022, 11:23:07 PM

For an account to be banned, you need to give several examples of plagiarism.

I have the feeling that's not (only) about how many examples of plagiarism are presented, it may be also related to the number of reports (and maybe reporters).
One of my (few, sorry) plagiarism reports stayed there for quite a while (more than 2 weeks) until that account was banned, although he has made plenty of plagiarized posts.

On the other hand, checking properly such an user requires more time than removing a spam/shitpost and the overall damage is big, hence the mods do have to pay proper attention. So I can understand that they may not always be "in the mood" for such a job.

Quote from: Hispo on March 16, 2022, 07:13:18 PM

So have the rules against plagiarism become laxer or not?

I would surely not count on that!

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Quote from: Hispo on March 16, 2022, 07:13:18 PM

So have the rules against plagiarism become laxer or not?
This is a little bit confusing, to be honest.

In 2019, when there was massive blocking, the attitude towards plagiarism was very tough. Accounts that were found to have a copy of 1 sentence or just a few phrases were blocked.
Today, when compared to 2019, the rules are very soft. For an account to be banned, you need to give several examples of plagiarism.
For example, the account that copied the entire large text is still alive. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59486216
Yesterday's case of visual copying also went unnoticed. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59541265
Conclusion: yes, today you can copy and go unpunished. BUT it is a dangerous game with fire.
One day, such a purge in 2019 will certainly happen again.

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So have the rules against plagiarism become laxer or not?
This is a little bit confusing, to be honest.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on March 13, 2022, 05:59:31 PM

Maybe we should know what kind of plagiarism is bannable and which one is not so that we don't waste in making futile reports.

I don't usually report plagiarism, but this user has all the evidence showing that he is an offender, not once, not twice, but almost all his post history. I made a report about 4 days ago yet today, the user continues to plagiarize.

What happened? Should we just give up on this plagiarism reporting thing?

Most likely, the moderators did not have time to check everything thoroughly. But yesterday I complained about another one of his plagiarisms, and you and I were heard. https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5950/59508735.html His account has been blocked.
The conclusions that can be drawn are that if the plagiarism of one user is repeated repeatedly, we do not need to give up and continue to send complaints to the moderators.
Although, as you can see, moderators are more loyal to paraphrasing. Undecided

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59518982

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Maybe we should know what kind of plagiarism is bannable and which one is not so that we don't waste in making futile reports.

I don't usually report plagiarism, but this user has all the evidence showing that he is an offender, not once, not twice, but almost all his post history. I made a report about 4 days ago yet today, the user continues to plagiarize.

What happened? Should we just give up on this plagiarism reporting thing?

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Quote from: HRIDOY4847 on March 06, 2022, 10:27:59 PM

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If I had a Bitcoin for every sir you used in there, I would be edging closer to being a bitcoin octopus

Do you have to write that man "Sirs" in a sentence to drive your point home?

Quote from: rat03gopoh on March 07, 2022, 07:29:32 AM

I'd also like to add my plagiarism report has not been addressed here, iirc I have also used "report to moderator". Post edited after the user got to know my report.
Somehow it may be for this reason that I haven't bothered to identify and report plagiarism cases since then while I'm just a silent reader.

That's straight up plagiarism and worse still the person behind the account is a scam promoter.

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I'd also like to add my plagiarism report has not been addressed here, iirc I have also used "report to moderator". Post edited after the user got to know my report.
Somehow it may be for this reason that I haven't bothered to identify and report plagiarism cases since then while I'm just a silent reader.

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Quote from: HRIDOY4847 on March 06, 2022, 10:27:59 PM

I think you need to start showing people much more respect than what you are doing now. The total number of 'sir's' in your previous post is unacceptably low and doesn't meet the Bitcointalk posting etiquette.

Maybe in the future we will see a small change in the number of banned accounts because the overall forum activity is dropping. logfiles' post shows that some of the accounts were banned, but if this issue wasn't brought to everyone's attention, maybe it wouldn't have happened.

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Quote from: HRIDOY4847 on March 06, 2022, 10:27:59 PM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 05, 2022, 01:01:54 AM

Yes, I see that you began to give temporary bans to beginners (if I'm not mistaken). Then let's make it known to everyone that if you are a newbie, you have the right to copy anything you want.

Sir, Many of you are big man. Of course, I am new but sir I am coming forward step by step after seeing you. I don't think I made any mmistak Sir, if I made a mistake then sorry sir I became more cautious.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 05, 2022, 01:01:54 AM

And another question, how many times can newbies have cases of copying so that punishment will apply to it?

Sir, Newbiers must be punished for making mistakes. But sir I did not copy. I understand myself. And I am constantly learning that you catch small mistakes. I have learned a lot of help you, sir.

Don't mind sir. I said a lot when I was younger, sir
Take Care Sir

What are you trying to prove to me? You didn't copy? Where did you get these posts from? Is it your brain spewing out, all verbatim, the articles that I pointed out?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59385152

Either you don't understand what it means to copy and paste, or you're fooling around. But the times are such that you are not banned, it's just a matter of time, believe me.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 05, 2022, 01:01:54 AM

Yes, I see that you began to give temporary bans to beginners (if I'm not mistaken). Then let's make it known to everyone that if you are a newbie, you have the right to copy anything you want.

Sir, Many of you are big man. Of course, I am new but sir I am coming forward step by step after seeing you. I don't think I made any mmistak Sir, if I made a mistake then sorry sir I became more cautious.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on March 05, 2022, 01:01:54 AM

And another question, how many times can newbies have cases of copying so that punishment will apply to it?

Sir, Newbiers must be punished for making mistakes. But sir I did not copy. I understand myself. And I am constantly learning that you catch small mistakes. I have learned a lot of help you, sir.

Don't mind sir. I said a lot when I was younger, sir
Take Care Sir

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 05, 2022, 06:25:07 PM

Kind of off-topic, but have any of our regular Russian or Ukrainian members been chiming in lately? I know there are a lot of them, and I'd like to hear what they're going through. Should I un-ignore Politics and Society?

Yes, i have seen a few users give us an account of what they are going through, really sad, and i do hope they get over this phase and this war stops just as quickly as it began. Sure The Pharmacist if you want to get such information you'll have to un-ignore the politics and society board, at least for that purpose or for the time being.
I got one of such thread for you, here it is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hello-from-kyiv-ukraine-5388171 but mind you that it is still in the P&S board.
Here is another one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59360117

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on March 05, 2022, 09:26:25 AM

Why not every one of us hit the Report to moderator button of the actual cases presented in > Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed. In this way, when there will be multiple reports being submitted for the plagiarist post, it is more likely to be taken noticed and not missed by the mods.

One guy's gonna get the [Good] report, while the rest that come later would be slapped with a [Bad].

Besides, too much redundant work for the mods when they see the same report made by at least 3 users.

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Quote from: logfiles on March 05, 2022, 05:58:11 PM

I don't know what criteria is being used here. Perhaps the paraphrasing chaps are being forgiven?
If I recall well, I think I used to see some text spinning guys getting banned too before.

Thanks for updating that.

"Paraphrasing" was never forgiven before, and I do hope that there hasn't been some behind-the-scenes policy change with Theymos and the moderators as far as that goes, because paraphrasing someone else's content is basically text-spinning, even if you don't use a bot to do it--in other words, it's still plagiarism, plain and simple.

Quote from: Coyster on March 05, 2022, 05:44:32 PM

thus i am thinking maybe this is just a normal delay that can happen, maybe no mod has as of yet picked up the case, but it is something that's inevitable.

Yeah, I'm getting that feeling as well. With all the terrible shit that's happening in the world, there is the chance that some of the mods are dealing with real-life issues and aren't spending as much of their time handling reports. That's just speculation, but this is a global forum with mods from all over the place.

Kind of off-topic, but have any of our regular Russian or Ukrainian members been chiming in lately? I know there are a lot of them, and I'd like to hear what they're going through. Should I un-ignore Politics and Society?

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So it took some bit of noise to get three of the culprits banned.

Zain Tariq - Banned!
Rich222 - Banned!
Jontokhan65 - Banned!
BenjaminGlover -Not banned
wtsimis - Not banned
HRIDOY4847 - Not banned, perhaps due to wrong profile link
Hsibalimrn - Not banned

I don't know what criteria is being used here. Perhaps the paraphrasing chaps are being forgiven?
If I recall well, I think I used to see some text spinning guys getting banned too before.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 05, 2022, 04:17:46 PM

If there's been any change as far as giving complete newbies who start off their bitcointalk "career" plagiarizing the content of others, it's news to me. And that would be a huge step backward, IMO.

I second that, but honestly i doubt there is any of such change cause if there was, i think the forum would be updated on that, especially for users who take out their time to fish out such plagiarised contents, thus i am thinking maybe this is just a normal delay that can happen, maybe no mod has as of yet picked up the case, but it is something that's inevitable.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 05, 2022, 04:17:46 PM

No doubt it's a headache, but mods pretty much always ignored ban appeals anyway, so what changed?

That's correct, and i can't imagine ban appeals being the issue here, i mean it is allowed on the forum, a user has the right to create another account to appeal their ban and can only post on that appeal topic with such account, so there is no way mods would prefer not to ban a user who plagiarised cause they can choose to appeal the ban, no chance in hell that is the problem here, if any even.

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Quote from: Coyster on March 05, 2022, 03:37:52 AM

Correct me if i am wrong, i thought leniency as regards plagiarism more often than not applies to established users/users that have been here for quite a while and have contributed in one way or another, and thus if a misdemeanor they committed sometime past is found, then they could be given another chance, and if need be, maybe an addition of a signature ban or something of that sort.

Do newbies also get such chances?

No, you're not wrong--that's how it's been for as long as I can remember, and I even recall a time when not even established members would be given a second chance. If there's been any change as far as giving complete newbies who start off their bitcointalk "career" plagiarizing the content of others, it's news to me. And that would be a huge step backward, IMO.

Is there any chance the mods might not have caught up to the reports on these cases, OP? As far as I can tell, there haven't been any proclamations by Theymos and no word from the mods regarding any new policy toward leniency when it comes to plagiarism. Rich222 was the subject of a thread I posted in yesterday, and normally a member who'd been publicly hung out to dry as a plagiarist would have been banned already, so I'm hoping he and the rest of these plagiarists get the ban-hammer soon.

Quote from: OgNasty on March 05, 2022, 02:21:32 PM

I think the administration probably didn’t want to waste any more time with ban appeals. I’m surprised to read that bans aren’t happening anymore. I’m sure it was a constant headache having to deal with people complaining about being banned.

No doubt it's a headache, but mods pretty much always ignored ban appeals anyway, so what changed?

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Quote from: mindrust on March 05, 2022, 09:27:41 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on March 05, 2022, 05:55:47 AM

Quote from: mindrust on March 05, 2022, 05:09:10 AM

My guess is, the forum lost so much traffic they can't afford to ban people anymore. When this forum was having its golden years, they would ban you for committing plagiarism forever. As always, once you bend a rule a little bit, soon that rule is gone completely. This is what we are experiencing here probably. It is becoming worse every day.

You may be right, but only admins can answer that question.
After all, permaban lately has not been as “perma” as it was in the beginning.
As far as I remember, at first it was impossible to remove permaban and later exceptions from permaban were allowed, and at the end even removing permaban became almost common.
Perhaps we are now looking at a new phase of punishing members, where the first warning is given through a temporary ban, and no more through permaban?
This is a big change compared to the cases we had before on this forum, like the one from RegulusHr (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-appeal-regulushr-and-discussion-on-topic-good-for-the-forum-as-a-whole-5097792), who had to wait two years for his permaban to be forgiven, with the overwhelming support of the local community.

That's what I said.

Permanent Ban used to be permanent. Then it was semi-permanent, and now there isn't any kind of banning Grin

Back then no matter how big you were in the forum, no matter how many green ratings you got, you would get clipped once you broke a rule. It is because the forum was filled with the quality posters and their posts.

Now there isn't even anything left to discuss, other than the price.

I think the administration probably didn’t want to waste any more time with ban appeals. I’m surprised to read that bans aren’t happening anymore. I’m sure it was a constant headache having to deal with people complaining about being banned. They can just get around it with a new account anyway, so it’s questionable how effective it is as a strategy. I’ve seen established members over the last few years directly disobey direct requests in the face of empty threats, so I think it’s probably the result of not wanting to deal with this stuff disguised as free speech.

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lovesmayfamilis, I guess you just need to give the mod a little time to handle your reports as I think all the reports you quoted in the OP are not a month old. I don't know how many plagiarism reports the mod hasn't dealt with so far regardless if it's from you or other contributors since february to now, but giving the mod a little time is a great option in this case. It's okay to complain especially since you want to know what the problem is, but I'm sure the mods will sort it out sooner or later if the breach was really done on purpose when they start dealing with report after report you make.

A permanent ban is a consequence if a user commits plagiarism on purpose regardless of whether the mod wants to block it immediately or sometime after they handle the report. I think you just have to be patient with it for now because the rules are still in effect and nothing has changed.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on March 05, 2022, 05:55:47 AM

Quote from: mindrust on March 05, 2022, 05:09:10 AM

My guess is, the forum lost so much traffic they can't afford to ban people anymore. When this forum was having its golden years, they would ban you for committing plagiarism forever. As always, once you bend a rule a little bit, soon that rule is gone completely. This is what we are experiencing here probably. It is becoming worse every day.

You may be right, but only admins can answer that question.
After all, permaban lately has not been as “perma” as it was in the beginning.
As far as I remember, at first it was impossible to remove permaban and later exceptions from permaban were allowed, and at the end even removing permaban became almost common.
Perhaps we are now looking at a new phase of punishing members, where the first warning is given through a temporary ban, and no more through permaban?
This is a big change compared to the cases we had before on this forum, like the one from RegulusHr (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-appeal-regulushr-and-discussion-on-topic-good-for-the-forum-as-a-whole-5097792), who had to wait two years for his permaban to be forgiven, with the overwhelming support of the local community.

That's what I said.

Permanent Ban used to be permanent. Then it was semi-permanent, and now there isn't any kind of banning Grin

Back then no matter how big you were in the forum, no matter how many green ratings you got, you would get clipped once you broke a rule. It is because the forum was filled with the quality posters and their posts.

Now there isn't even anything left to discuss, other than the price.

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Quote from: LoyceV on March 05, 2022, 05:34:42 AM

Did you report the posts directly (using "Report to moderator"), or only post the plagiarism in my topic? In my experience, reporting the posts results in quicker action than just posting in the topic.

Sometimes the moderators may have missed them as there are a number of reports to be handled each day. But I have one suggestion.
Why not every one of us hit the Report to moderator button of the actual cases presented in > Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed. In this way, when there will be multiple reports being submitted for the plagiarist post, it is more likely to be taken noticed and not missed by the mods.

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