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legendary
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Wouldn't it make more sense for one of the mods to come out and address the latest plagiarism rules rather than leaving us with so many assumptions over the last few months?
@Halab addressed that yesterday and it seems like there are no official rules or policy regarding plagiarism.

What I can say is that there is no official policy change for plagiarism cases... because there are no official rules for plagiarism. It's case by case. Often I find reporters are very strict, you cross outside the crosswalk, you go to jail !! You have to judge on several factors : did it happen once ? Is it an honest omission ? Does he really take ownership of the copied text ? Etc...

I think that some middle ground approach is needed here; giving perma ban for the first offense is too much imho and temporary ban (or even better longer signature ban) would make more sense and then perma for the 2nd as they can't claim that they didn't know about the rules.
legendary
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We also had a lot of banned cases in 2020 and early 2021, but I noticed that the actions on plagiarism cases became so minimal after the recent two unbanned cases we had earlier this year, and the forum activity has also decreased since the beginning of last year. I personally believe that onetime plagiarism for users who have contributed to the forum for many years getting banned is just too harsh; perhaps such users should be given a temban as a warning for first plagiarism, and maybe pamban after 3 attempts.

I would give them the permaban after a second time. I mean you plagiarize, they catch you they warn you or give you a tamporari ban and you go and plagiarize a second time? For me waiting for a third would be too lenient. The second time you can no longer say that you did not know that plagiarizing was forbidden, or something like that.
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All of my plagiarism reported cases from the previous month have been labeled unhandled, and to be honest, it kills the zeel in me to keep reporting when nothing will be done in the end, it looks like a lost quest! I've noticed that the mods are too lenient in cases of plagiarism, especially when it comes to old users. What about reintroducing the plagiarism ban bot?

Anyone who loves and wants to keep his topic clean should make it self-moderated because the mods have become less active these days; perhaps it's time theymos replaced some of the inactive staff to keep the forum running, as it's been ages since he appointed new mods. We have qualified and active users here who are eager to help.

Perhaps the moderators are following the administration's instructions on mitigating penalties for plagiarism or something like that. Because this behavior is observed in many sections, or global moderators do not want to ban users, especially old ones. One can only guess, and recently it has become easier and faster to get unbanned
Wouldn't it make more sense for one of the mods to come out and address the latest plagiarism rules rather than leaving us with so many assumptions over the last few months?

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In 2018, the punishment was active and fast, but there is also a negative point in this, since many users who do not understand the rules well were banned and after that did not make any attempts to restore their activity on the forum. In general, a permanent ban for plagiarism is too severe a punishment initially. It would be fair to give this only with repeated plagiarism. Such strict rules still had some consequences for the activity of the forum, since there were indecently many bans at that time.
We also had a lot of banned cases in 2020 and early 2021, but I noticed that the actions on plagiarism cases became so minimal after the recent two unbanned cases we had earlier this year, and the forum activity has also decreased since the beginning of last year. I personally believe that onetime plagiarism for users who have contributed to the forum for many years getting banned is just too harsh; perhaps such users should be given a temban as a warning for first plagiarism, and maybe pamban after 3 attempts.
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So, no moderator responded, right? That's why I said in the other thread that it seemed to me that they were not going to explain the criteria. I don't know why they will do this but being transparent with the criteria would help those of us who care about the forum.

It seems to me that the main criterion now is to save as many members as possible, which means forgiving them of plagiarism/paraphrasing or giving them a temp ban. I don't know how else to explain the fact that there are threads like this where people wonder what the hell is going on with those damn rules.

I can only say that this was not the case before, every well-documented case of plagiarism was resolved within 3 days - maybe the forum has problems with the staff dealing with things like this?

All of my plagiarism reported cases from the previous month have been labeled unhandled, and to be honest, it kills the zeel in me to keep reporting when nothing will be done in the end, it looks like a lost quest! I've noticed that the mods are too lenient in cases of plagiarism, especially when it comes to old users. What about reintroducing the plagiarism ban bot?

Anyone who loves and wants to keep his topic clean should make it self-moderated because the mods have become less active these days; perhaps it's time theymos replaced some of the inactive staff to keep the forum running, as it's been ages since he appointed new mods. We have qualified and active users here who are eager to help.
legendary
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So, no moderator responded, right? That's why I said in the other thread that it seemed to me that they were not going to explain the criteria. I don't know why they will do this but being transparent with the criteria would help those of us who care about the forum.

It seems to me that the main criterion now is to save as many members as possible, which means forgiving them of plagiarism/paraphrasing or giving them a temp ban. I don't know how else to explain the fact that there are threads like this where people wonder what the hell is going on with those damn rules.

I can only say that this was not the case before, every well-documented case of plagiarism was resolved within 3 days - maybe the forum has problems with the staff dealing with things like this?
legendary
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Dear moderators, can I ask you what the latest plagiarism rules are?

So, no moderator responded, right? That's why I said in the other thread that it seemed to me that they were not going to explain the criteria. I don't know why they will do this but being transparent with the criteria would help those of us who care about the forum.

So have the rules against plagiarism become laxer or not?
This is a little bit confusing, to be honest.

Indeed it is.
legendary
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Maybe the moderators do not disagree. Maybe the moderators might had missed the report had it been triggered by one member but several members reported it and nothing seems to have happened as a consequence. At the very least the member concerned should have had action taken such as a temporary ban. Still, I reported it recently therefore will give it a few days more before asking a moderator to look in to what happened (if nothing happens to the post or the user involved).

This is an important issue your raised here. I have only ever reported a post for plagiarism a few times but the most recent one (yesterday) was reported by other users long before I reported it.

FatFork was the forum member that highlighted this issue about samputin but that post has not been removed and that user has not been temporarily/permanently banned: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59327375


I am unable to confirm what happened to that report anymore, however I believe it remained unhandled. Even the post itself remained intact.
In my opinion, it looks like blatant case of plagiarism, so I am not sure why the moderators disagree.

legendary
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This is an important issue your raised here. I have only ever reported a post for plagiarism a few times but the most recent one (yesterday) was reported by other users long before I reported it.

FatFork was the forum member that highlighted this issue about samputin but that post has not been removed and that user has not been temporarily/permanently banned: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59327375


I am unable to confirm what happened to that report anymore, however I believe it remained unhandled. Even the post itself remained intact.
In my opinion, it looks like blatant case of plagiarism, so I am not sure why the moderators disagree.
legendary
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This is an important issue your raised here. I have only ever reported a post for plagiarism a few times but the most recent one (yesterday) was reported by other users long before I reported it.

FatFork was the forum member that highlighted this issue about samputin but that post has not been removed and that user has not been temporarily/permanently banned: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59327375

If moderators do not take action then it makes you wonder whether there is any point in trying to report plagiarism. I have reported spam and pointless/nonsensical posts in the past and most of them are addressed one way or another but with reporting plagiarism it seems many forum members are not seeing the outcome they would have hoped for when reporting posts (such as temporary or permanent bans).

Dear moderators, can I ask you what the latest plagiarism rules are?
I have reported several cases of plagiarism, but no action has been taken on them so far.
Yes, I see that you began to give temporary bans to beginners (if I'm not mistaken). Then let's make it known to everyone that if you are a newbie, you have the right to copy anything you want.
In addition, the forum strives to provide unique content, so why aren't cases of plagiarism even removed?
And another question, how many times can newbies have cases of copying so that punishment will apply to it?
legendary
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I am also leaning towards this reason. A number of mods have left or become inactive and there gotten a disqualification but I don't remember the admin ever giving other user the moderation responsibility in the past 2-3 years
If you noticed then you should have seen hilariousandco used to response concerning any forum related issues from the users but I did not see him to address on this thread yet. The last one I remember to get mods job was Welsh and it's been a long year since then. So it's pretty much a certain that we have not enough mods right now. I have seen many users to talk about not banning users for plagiarism even after reporting the plagiarist. This is not good at all for the forum after all.
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I would like to think that we do not have enough mods to handle the reports and they are missing it because of work overload. This could be a reason too.
I am also leaning towards this reason. A number of mods have left or become inactive and there gotten a disqualification but I don't remember the admin ever giving other user the moderation responsibility in the past 2-3 years

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Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.

What do you want from me?
Nothing and thanks, you do a lot for me. I'm glad to see that you helped me by sending a message's reply. 

It is absolutely not necessary to disturb people with constant messages in a personal.
Again sorry for that, even I don't know that sending two messages about anyone's problems will make feel another people disturb.

Let it be history.
History is created by me and I just tried to resolve it. Again thanks OP to remind me of my missteps.  Cheesy
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Do you have any other ideas as to why we have so many plagiarized cases but so few banned users?
I would like to think that we do not have enough mods to handle the reports and they are missing it because of work overload. This could be a reason too.
This could be another reason, but we're in the dark because no mods have publicly addressed what's going on and why so much time is spent on reported spam posts rather than plagiarism cases. We can only speculate..  Grin

Lol..Makes me laugh.
Never mind! Some people thinks when you have a reputed account, you have the privilege to access moderators features 🤪
We are the evils ones  Grin
legendary
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Do you have any other ideas as to why we have so many plagiarized cases but so few banned users?
I would like to think that we do not have enough mods to handle the reports and they are missing it because of work overload. This could be a reason too.

Lol..Makes me laugh.
Never mind! Some people thinks when you have a reputed account, you have the privilege to access moderators features 🤪
staff
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My guess is, the forum lost so much traffic they can't afford to ban people anymore.
I would like to believe that this is not true.
Do you have any other ideas as to why we have so many plagiarized cases but so few banned users? I wish we had another reason to believe that the plagiarism penalty is not as severe as it once was. I also want to believe that low traffic on the site plays a minor role.

What do you want from me?
Lol..Makes me laugh.
legendary
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Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.

lovesmayfamilis has nothing to do here. You might be in luck for not banned by the mod. It's annoying to see even knowing the rules some people dare to plagiarize and then adjust it by saying a mistake. You are a member, earned 68 merit so far but giving the excuse that it was a mistake.

My guess is, the forum lost so much traffic they can't afford to ban people anymore.
I would like to believe that this is not true.
legendary
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Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.


What do you want from me? You asked me in a private message what you can do to avoid the ban. I answered you that it is enough to add a link. You did it. Everyone, you will not be banned for this case. Unless you get caught for some other plagiarism.
It is absolutely not necessary to disturb people with constant messages in a personal. Yes, I don't want to answer you anymore, because I see no reason to delete my first accusation. You plagiarized, but you're in luck. Let it be history.
Also, read the policy on unsolicited private messages. I strongly discourage you from doing this.
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Dear moderators, can I ask you what the latest plagiarism rules are?
I have reported several cases of plagiarism, but no action has been taken on them so far.
Yes, I see that you began to give temporary bans to beginners (if I'm not mistaken). Then let's make it known to everyone that if you are a newbie, you have the right to copy anything you want.
In addition, the forum strives to provide unique content, so why aren't cases of plagiarism even removed?
And another question, how many times can newbies have cases of copying so that punishment will apply to it?



Plagiarism  paraphrasing
User: wtsimis
Post link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59003179
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Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.
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Well, look, as an example.
teddybear account.
How many users reported its plagiarism? At least three. This is igehhh, Bitcoin_Arena and also previously me.



Isn't that enough? Most likely, we can guess what the moderators think?  Complaints of only one plagiarism, this account does not have a low rank and also does not participate in any subscription company.
To block him, he will need to copy more often Grin, and this case was probably left as a last warning by the moderators.

The reason why the mods ignored this user is still unknown; perhaps they assumed he wasn't a spammer because he doesn't belong to any subscription company, as you stated, and he's not a quality poster anyways, judging by his merits history, which shows he's been here since 2013 with no merits and the 100 he had were airdrop. So, now that I've reported, whatever decision mod makes should be in the best interests of the forum.
legendary
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For an account to be banned, you need to give several examples of plagiarism.

I have the feeling that's not (only) about how many examples of plagiarism are presented, it may be also related to the number of reports (and maybe reporters).
One of my (few, sorry) plagiarism reports stayed there for quite a while (more than 2 weeks) until that account was banned, although he has made plenty of plagiarized posts.


Well, look, as an example.
teddybear account.
How many users reported its plagiarism? At least three. This is igehhh, Bitcoin_Arena and also previously me.



Isn't that enough? Most likely, we can guess what the moderators think?  Complaints of only one plagiarism, this account does not have a low rank and also does not participate in any subscription company.
To block him, he will need to copy more often Grin, and this case was probably left as a last warning by the moderators.
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