Topic: What happens to the wicked upon death? - page 8. (Read 6598 times)
Sorry Rigon but unless you can prove your God you can't ask others to prove theirs .
Why would you believe anything I say when I can't prove it? You don't just mindlessly believe anything I say, why should I mindlessly accept what you say?
You don't have any special traits that I don't have. In such matter we are equal.
There is nothing special about your beliefs. There is nothing esoteric about them. You don't belong to a special club with magic decoder rings or secret hidden powers..... Nothing supernatural or magical.
The only difference between you and me is you place your faith in things you cannot prove in any tangible way. I suppose there's nothing wrong with that, unless you become like Zolace and eventually can't tell what is real and what isn't.
You don't have any special traits that I don't have. In such matter we are equal.
There is nothing special about your beliefs. There is nothing esoteric about them. You don't belong to a special club with magic decoder rings or secret hidden powers..... Nothing supernatural or magical.
The only difference between you and me is you place your faith in things you cannot prove in any tangible way. I suppose there's nothing wrong with that, unless you become like Zolace and eventually can't tell what is real and what isn't.
This is where you are, Sana8410......
Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
Your God and mine could be the same, the only difference would be is you don't think He inspired the scripture, or the Bible we have today. The problem is no one can prove to someone else how it inspired them to believe it. So i won't debate on your grounds of proof, only you can read it, or study it, and see where it leads you .Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
That is how ridiculous your beliefs in your Bible god are.
The FACT is, your religious beliefs are bullshit. Now, you can either ignore the fact, or prove me wrong.
No other aspect of life would you ever just mindlessly believe something without proof. So why do you abandon common sense and reason in this case? Why would you ever abandon common sense at all?
"What happens to the wicked upon death?"
What you mean is, what does your Bible god do to the wicked.....?, and since you can't make a reasonable case for the existence of your Bible god at all, what's the point? It's all superstitious nonsense.
Someone once invented a fairy tale to scare children and superstitious people, and you people are still falling for the same old superstitious beliefs in the 21st century.
If you and Zolace want to continue your childish debate over the bogeyman, that's up to you. But just about it the way grown-ups would thinks.
"Born Again"....
"Suffer the little children come unto me..."
"Child-like faith".....
Did you ever stop and think about why Christianity always requires believers to become "like children".....?
Because children are innocent, and gullible, and are much more easily victimized.
Grown-ups would never fall for that crap.
"Suffer the little children come unto me..."
"Child-like faith".....
Did you ever stop and think about why Christianity always requires believers to become "like children".....?
Because children are innocent, and gullible, and are much more easily victimized.
Grown-ups would never fall for that crap.
This is where you are, Sana8410......
Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
Your God and mine could be the same, the only difference would be is you don't think He inspired the scripture, or the Bible we have today. The problem is no one can prove to someone else how it inspired them to believe it. So i won't debate on your grounds of proof, only you can read it, or study it, and see where it leads you .Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
That is how ridiculous your beliefs in your Bible god are.
The FACT is, your religious beliefs are bullshit. Now, you can either ignore the fact, or prove me wrong.
No other aspect of life would you ever just mindlessly believe something without proof. So why do you abandon common sense and reason in this case? Why would you ever abandon common sense at all?
This is where you are, Sana8410......
Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
Your God and mine could be the same, the only difference would be is you don't think He inspired the scripture, or the Bible we have today. The problem is no one can prove to someone else how it inspired them to believe it. So i won't debate on your grounds of proof, only you can read it, or study it, and see where it leads you .Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
That is how ridiculous your beliefs in your Bible god are.
The FACT is, your religious beliefs are bullshit. Now, you can either ignore the fact, or prove me wrong.
No other aspect of life would you ever just mindlessly believe something without proof. So why do you abandon common sense and reason in this case? Why would you ever abandon common sense at all?
This is where you are, Sana8410......
Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
Your God and mine could be the same, the only difference would be is you don't think He inspired the scripture, or the Bible we have today. The problem is no one can prove to someone else how it inspired them to believe it. So i won't debate on your grounds of proof, only you can read it, or study it, and see where it leads you . Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
This is where you are, Sana8410......
Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
Your Bible god doesn't exist, and all beliefs and religiosity surrounding the belief in your Bible god is moot. In this particular "horse race", your horse doesn't even exit the starting gate.
There is nothing other than wishful thinking on your behalf. If there were any sound reason to believe your Bible god exists, many more people other than Tomas would have proved me wrong long ago, and they haven't.
I understand that many Christains do not feel any obligation to prove their beliefs to a battle-scarred religious skeptic like me, but at the end of the day I'm not the face in the mirror.
Was Samuel's spirit
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
Yet, the things that the Gospels, the Revelation, Jesus, and St. Paul say indicate that the faithful believers will be with God at and after death. So, was Samuel not a believer? Or does God dwell with His Paradise and passed believers in the Ground? Or might it have been a lying spirit and not Samuel at all?
Perhaps the spirits of the dead separate. After all, even believers are not entirely faithful. Perhaps the unfaithful spiritual part of believers remains in the ground, while the faithful part goes on to live with God in glory forever.
Good. Show it to me. I could have missed it.
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
So from the above, both could see each other. I believe when Christ died, he went to this paradise and brought these people with him.
To me, this passage/parable is very vague for showing that the early believers didn't go to the paradise until the time of or after Christ's incarnation.
I agree, however, that "things" were very different before the suffering/death/resurrection than after.
There is a large following that hold to the idea that the thousand years in the Revelation is figurative, that it is figurative of the whole time from Jesus' death and resurrection on earth until final judgment, that it depicts Satan's death, and that Satan was raised from the dead at the time he was let out of the abyss (which may have already happened). The world changes when there is no Satan around to do the actual tempting. Without Satan, people are only tempted by their own lusts, etc., and by the lusts of other people.
they take good manners lessons 
Mr.Bitty,is correct in his observation about no other Christian agreeing with you about your particular creationist beliefs, Zolace.
I don't give a shit about your petty squabbles over religious dogma. Not like I give a shit about your "holy day" being Sunday or Saturday, or whether or not you consider eating pigs or grasshoopers to be a "sin".
But when it come to the issue of who is "wicked" and who isn't, I recall that liars rate at the top of your Christian "wicked" list, and you are a liar.
What will happen to YOU after you die and face your "creator"?
I don't give a shit about your petty squabbles over religious dogma. Not like I give a shit about your "holy day" being Sunday or Saturday, or whether or not you consider eating pigs or grasshoopers to be a "sin".
But when it come to the issue of who is "wicked" and who isn't, I recall that liars rate at the top of your Christian "wicked" list, and you are a liar.
What will happen to YOU after you die and face your "creator"?
Actually, the creation story in the Bible is very vague, at least the part before the creation of people. When you sit down and read this before-part slowly, you will see that:
1. Time and the universe and the electromagnetic spectrum were very different than what they are today;
2. There is or could be an expanse of something that resembles time before the beginning, but isn't time in the way we understand it. The beginning might only be the beginning of the universe as we know it now, and even 6,000 years ago, after it was fully created, (when it was set as it is now) it was different;
3. The separation of the waters is similar to making different groups of materials in space, all of them being separated from the basic mass that was called earth;
4. That "before" the first day was created, following when God created light, that the electromagnetic spectrum and sub-atomic particles were different in nature, so much as to not be able to call "time" before the first day "time;"
5. The sun, moon and stars were made out of the materials that had been previously separate when the waters were separated.
Anyway, you all get the point. Go back and read slowly, and see what is happening.
Actually that's very....close.. to what I believe.
Zolace certainly cannot accuse you of poor reading comprehension!
What's your excuse? Do you have any sane reason to think I'm wrong?
The main question stands for all Christians, and that is the foundation of your beliefs, and that is does your "god" exist?
Without a firm foundation, anything else is moot.
Zolace certainly cannot accuse you of poor reading comprehension!
What's your excuse? Do you have any sane reason to think I'm wrong?
The main question stands for all Christians, and that is the foundation of your beliefs, and that is does your "god" exist?
Without a firm foundation, anything else is moot.
Sana8410-
"...but i'm more inclined to comment on the topic, your position is known to me already
Is it? Just so we're clear.....
I'm no Lucifer. I never rebelled against God. I'm not "wicked".
If there is a better question, it is....
What Happens to the "wicked" in Life?
No one in this life gives a shit about a "wicked" person after they die.
You have to consider why this question is being asked, and wonder why the person is asking it is the sense that all thing will be judged posthumously....
Not like Zolace, who is a proven liar In This Life , and will resort to lies In This Life, and be judged by his peers In This Life....
Who said that? "...but i'm more inclined to comment on the topic, your position is known to me already
Is it? Just so we're clear.....
I'm no Lucifer. I never rebelled against God. I'm not "wicked".
If there is a better question, it is....
What Happens to the "wicked" in Life?
No one in this life gives a shit about a "wicked" person after they die.
You have to consider why this question is being asked, and wonder why the person is asking it is the sense that all thing will be judged posthumously....
Not like Zolace, who is a proven liar In This Life , and will resort to lies In This Life, and be judged by his peers In This Life....
That you believe in God, but think he has no interaction with mankind, but mainly that any discussion on the Bible would be irrelevant to you because you think its fairytale....is that close enough?
Sana8410-
"...but i'm more inclined to comment on the topic, your position is known to me already
Is it? Just so we're clear.....
I'm no Lucifer. I never rebelled against God. I'm not "wicked".
If there is a better question, it is....
What Happens to the "wicked" in Life?
No one in this life gives a shit about a "wicked" person after they die.
You have to consider why this question is being asked, and wonder why the person is asking it is the sense that all thing will be judged posthumously....
Not like Zolace, who is a proven liar In This Life , and will resort to lies In This Life, and be judged by his peers In This Life....
"...but i'm more inclined to comment on the topic, your position is known to me already
Is it? Just so we're clear.....
I'm no Lucifer. I never rebelled against God. I'm not "wicked".
If there is a better question, it is....
What Happens to the "wicked" in Life?
No one in this life gives a shit about a "wicked" person after they die.
You have to consider why this question is being asked, and wonder why the person is asking it is the sense that all thing will be judged posthumously....
Not like Zolace, who is a proven liar In This Life , and will resort to lies In This Life, and be judged by his peers In This Life....
Mr.Bitty,is correct in his observation about no other Christian agreeing with you about your particular creationist beliefs, Zolace.
I don't give a shit about your petty squabbles over religious dogma. Not like I give a shit about your "holy day" being Sunday or Saturday, or whether or not you consider eating pigs or grasshoopers to be a "sin".
But when it come to the issue of who is "wicked" and who isn't, I recall that liars rate at the top of your Christian "wicked" list, and you are a liar.
What will happen to YOU after you die and face your "creator"?
I don't give a shit about your petty squabbles over religious dogma. Not like I give a shit about your "holy day" being Sunday or Saturday, or whether or not you consider eating pigs or grasshoopers to be a "sin".
But when it come to the issue of who is "wicked" and who isn't, I recall that liars rate at the top of your Christian "wicked" list, and you are a liar.
What will happen to YOU after you die and face your "creator"?
Everyone dies wicked or not ends up being plant food
Was Samuel's spirit
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
Yet, the things that the Gospels, the Revelation, Jesus, and St. Paul say indicate that the faithful believers will be with God at and after death. So, was Samuel not a believer? Or does God dwell with His Paradise and passed believers in the Ground? Or might it have been a lying spirit and not Samuel at all?
Perhaps the spirits of the dead separate. After all, even believers are not entirely faithful. Perhaps the unfaithful spiritual part of believers remains in the ground, while the faithful part goes on to live with God in glory forever.
Good. Show it to me. I could have missed it.
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
So from the above, both could see each other. I believe when Christ died, he went to this paradise and brought these people with him.
To me, this passage/parable is very vague for showing that the early believers didn't go to the paradise until the time of or after Christ's incarnation.
I agree, however, that "things" were very different before the suffering/death/resurrection than after.
There is a large following that hold to the idea that the thousand years in the Revelation is figurative, that it is figurative of the whole time from Jesus' death and resurrection on earth until final judgment, that it depicts Satan's death, and that Satan was raised from the dead at the time he was let out of the abyss (which may have already happened). The world changes when there is no Satan around to do the actual tempting. Without Satan, people are only tempted by their own lusts, etc., and by the lusts of other people.
...and most of your disagreement is between Old and New Testament; teachings of Jesus versus the teaching of Paul.Those are always going to conflict.
So, it is yet to be determined if that is the case here. If you are honest, you will admit for rooting for them to be actual true conflicts.Now, now. Be gentle with Rigon. After all, St. Paul says that we are not supposed to argue. Consider Rigon like I consider him and many others in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-like-kids-778346.
Why sabatoge a thread you obviously have no interest in? Vent your spleen in the many political threads that are out there. Or create a thread on the supposed contradictions. Problem is - you get angry when folk disagree with you. And you hate not getting the attention.
What happens to the wicked upon death?
Same thing that happens to everyone else. They die. Matter is transformed and eventually recycled..and so on and so forth.
Same thing that happens to everyone else. They die. Matter is transformed and eventually recycled..and so on and so forth.
Hey, Sana8410, still interested, need to go back over the thread. What I need to do is take note before me what has been stated so far, rather than keep scrolling back and forth on a page, or between pages.
As opposed to ignoring the 600 pound gorilla sitting in your lap.Do you seriously believe that other people do not see through your bald-faced lies?Rigon, i probably would agree with Zolace on many things biblical, its just not as interesting to go over things agreed on. I don't mind you posting even if its off topic, just would ask you try and say everything in one post when you do or the other context gets pushed aside, but i'm more inclined to comment on the topic, your position is known to me already.
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