Hey, Sana8410, still interested, need to go back over the thread. What I need to do is take note before me what has been stated so far, rather than keep scrolling back and forth on a page, or between pages.
As opposed to ignoring the 600 pound gorilla sitting in your lap.Do you seriously believe that other people do not see through your bald-faced lies? 
Topic: What happens to the wicked upon death? - page 9. (Read 6591 times)
Hey, Sana8410, still interested, need to go back over the thread. What I need to do is take note before me what has been stated so far, rather than keep scrolling back and forth on a page, or between pages.
Was Samuel's spirit
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
Yet, the things that the Gospels, the Revelation, Jesus, and St. Paul say indicate that the faithful believers will be with God at and after death. So, was Samuel not a believer? Or does God dwell with His Paradise and passed believers in the Ground? Or might it have been a lying spirit and not Samuel at all?
Perhaps the spirits of the dead separate. After all, even believers are not entirely faithful. Perhaps the unfaithful spiritual part of believers remains in the ground, while the faithful part goes on to live with God in glory forever.
Good. Show it to me. I could have missed it.
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
So from the above, both could see each other. I believe when Christ died, he went to this paradise and brought these people with him.
I said no other Christians support your beliefs; that you are a mentally and emotionally troubled person who is hiding your mental illness behind religion.
I stand by that assessment.
Actually, no person supports the belief of any other person exactly. So, what does this mean?
...and most of your disagreement is between Old and New Testament; teachings of Jesus versus the teaching of Paul.Those are always going to conflict.
So, it is yet to be determined if that is the case here. If you are honest, you will admit for rooting for them to be actual true conflicts.Now, now. Be gentle with Rigon. After all, St. Paul says that we are not supposed to argue. Consider Rigon like I consider him and many others in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-like-kids-778346.
Why sabatoge a thread you obviously have no interest in? Vent your spleen in the many political threads that are out there. Or create a thread on the supposed contradictions. Problem is - you get angry when folk disagree with you. And you hate not getting the attention.
I said no other Christians support your beliefs; that you are a mentally and emotionally troubled person who is hiding your mental illness behind religion.
I stand by that assessment.
Given the fact that the only Chrsitian your are arguing with doesn't agree with you just proves me correct.
Was Samuel's spirit
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
Yet, the things that the Gospels, the Revelation, Jesus, and St. Paul say indicate that the faithful believers will be with God at and after death. So, was Samuel not a believer? Or does God dwell with His Paradise and passed believers in the Ground? Or might it have been a lying spirit and not Samuel at all?
Perhaps the spirits of the dead separate. After all, even believers are not entirely faithful. Perhaps the unfaithful spiritual part of believers remains in the ground, while the faithful part goes on to live with God in glory forever.
Good. Show it to me. I could have missed it.
Sana8410,We are getting off track, so some examples that come mind may help or maybe not. Mount Sinai where Moses was instructed to not allow the people to come to close lest they die, and Moses face glows from the heat. Aaron's 2 sons consumed by fire for the wrong offering to God. The burning bush being not consumed because it was on Holy ground (an idea how this fire will not harm the saved in the final day).
Who was the spirit that came up when King Saul used the witch of Endor to call up the Prophet Samuel just prior to the war with the Philistines where Saul lost his life?
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
Yet, the things that the Gospels, the Revelation, Jesus, and St. Paul say indicate that the faithful believers will be with God at and after death. So, was Samuel not a believer? Or does God dwell with His Paradise and passed believers in the Ground? Or might it have been a lying spirit and not Samuel at all?
Perhaps the spirits of the dead separate. After all, even believers are not entirely faithful. Perhaps the unfaithful spiritual part of believers remains in the ground, while the faithful part goes on to live with God in glory forever.
...and most of your disagreement is between Old and New Testament; teachings of Jesus versus the teaching of Paul.Those are always going to conflict.
So, it is yet to be determined if that is the case here. If you are honest, you will admit for rooting for them to be actual true conflicts.Now, now. Be gentle with Rigon. After all, St. Paul says that we are not supposed to argue. Consider Rigon like I consider him and many others in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-like-kids-778346.
Why sabatoge a thread you obviously have no interest in? Vent your spleen in the many political threads that are out there. Or create a thread on the supposed contradictions. Problem is - you get angry when folk disagree with you. And you hate not getting the attention.
One starts with a large puzzle, and many time the emotional reaction can be that there are pieces missing, something is wrong, etc, with the frustration that can come trying to put the puzzle together.
Yet, in time, it finally does fall into place. But, the puzzle is not wrong prior to that moment.
That is the position I take with Scripture (and experience has born it out).
Yet, in time, it finally does fall into place. But, the puzzle is not wrong prior to that moment.
That is the position I take with Scripture (and experience has born it out).
Oh, you are so good in this point.
Sana8410,We are getting off track, so some examples that come mind may help or maybe not. Mount Sinai where Moses was instructed to not allow the people to come to close lest they die, and Moses face glows from the heat. Aaron's 2 sons consumed by fire for the wrong offering to God. The burning bush being not consumed because it was on Holy ground (an idea how this fire will not harm the saved in the final day).
Who was the spirit that came up when King Saul used the witch of Endor to call up the Prophet Samuel just prior to the war with the Philistines where Saul lost his life?
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
Yet, the things that the Gospels, the Revelation, Jesus, and St. Paul say indicate that the faithful believers will be with God at and after death. So, was Samuel not a believer? Or does God dwell with His Paradise and passed believers in the Ground? Or might it have been a lying spirit and not Samuel at all?
Perhaps the spirits of the dead separate. After all, even believers are not entirely faithful. Perhaps the unfaithful spiritual part of believers remains in the ground, while the faithful part goes on to live with God in glory forever.
One starts with a large puzzle, and many time the emotional reaction can be that there are pieces missing, something is wrong, etc, with the frustration that can come trying to put the puzzle together.
Yet, in time, it finally does fall into place. But, the puzzle is not wrong prior to that moment.
That is the position I take with Scripture (and experience has born it out).
Yet, in time, it finally does fall into place. But, the puzzle is not wrong prior to that moment.
That is the position I take with Scripture (and experience has born it out).
...and most of your disagreement is between Old and New Testament; teachings of Jesus versus the teaching of Paul.Those are always going to conflict.
So, it is yet to be determined if that is the case here. If you are honest, you will admit for rooting for them to be actual true conflicts.Now, now. Be gentle with Rigon. After all, St. Paul says that we are not supposed to argue. Consider Rigon like I consider him and many others in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-like-kids-778346.
Sana8410,We are getting off track, so some examples that come mind may help or maybe not. Mount Sinai where Moses was instructed to not allow the people to come to close lest they die, and Moses face glows from the heat. Aaron's 2 sons consumed by fire for the wrong offering to God. The burning bush being not consumed because it was on Holy ground (an idea how this fire will not harm the saved in the final day).
Who was the spirit that came up when King Saul used the witch of Endor to call up the Prophet Samuel just prior to the war with the Philistines where Saul lost his life?
“Then the woman said, ‘Whom shall I bring up for you?’ And he said, ‘Bring Samuel up for me.’ When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, ‘Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!’ And the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid. What did you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.’ So he said to her, ‘What is his form?’ And said, ‘An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.’ And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’ And Saul answered, ‘I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.’ ”
...and most of your disagreement is between Old and New Testament; teachings of Jesus versus the teaching of Paul.Those are always going to conflict.
So, it is yet to be determined if that is the case here. If you are honest, you will admit for rooting for them to be actual true conflicts.Now, now. Be gentle with Rigon. After all, St. Paul says that we are not supposed to argue. Consider Rigon like I consider him and many others in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-like-kids-778346.
Sana8410,We are getting off track, so some examples that come mind may help or maybe not. Mount Sinai where Moses was instructed to not allow the people to come to close lest they die, and Moses face glows from the heat. Aaron's 2 sons consumed by fire for the wrong offering to God. The burning bush being not consumed because it was on Holy ground (an idea how this fire will not harm the saved in the final day).
Who was the spirit that came up when King Saul used the witch of Endor to call up the Prophet Samuel just prior to the war with the Philistines where Saul lost his life?
...and most of your disagreement is between Old and New Testament; teachings of Jesus versus the teaching of Paul.Those are always going to conflict.
So, it is yet to be determined if that is the case here. If you are honest, you will admit for rooting for them to be actual true conflicts.Now, now. Be gentle with Rigon. After all, St. Paul says that we are not supposed to argue. Consider Rigon like I consider him and many others in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-like-kids-778346.
In the narrative, an angel of Yahweh is described as appearing in the bush,[6] and God is subsequently described as calling out from it to Moses, who had been grazing Jethro's flocks there.[1]When Moses starts to approach, God tells Moses to first take off his sandals, due to the place being holy ground,[7] and Moses hides his face.
I'm not suggesting this and only this describes God, or maybe i'm speculating to much ahead of myself, but its all related to God. I have showed many examples that Eternal torment is not biblical not only in thread but the other one. You have only pointed to symbolic examples that i have addressed. Have you an open mind to any of it, or will you remain hardcore certain in the dogma you grew up with?
I'm not suggesting this and only this describes God, or maybe i'm speculating to much ahead of myself, but its all related to God. I have showed many examples that Eternal torment is not biblical not only in thread but the other one. You have only pointed to symbolic examples that i have addressed. Have you an open mind to any of it, or will you remain hardcore certain in the dogma you grew up with?
You never wish to "discuss" anything, you want to PONTIFICATE; to preach your brand of "christianity" that you've created in your mind.
Even during the odd response from a Christian, you have never agreed with them, and even resorted to challenging their faith; judging them according to your warped beliefs and procaliming they are not "christian" according to YOU.
Even during the odd response from a Christian, you have never agreed with them, and even resorted to challenging their faith; judging them according to your warped beliefs and procaliming they are not "christian" according to YOU.
...and most of your disagreement is between Old and New Testament; teachings of Jesus versus the teaching of Paul.Those are always going to conflict.
So, it is yet to be determined if that is the case here. If you are honest, you will admit for rooting for them to be actual true conflicts.Now, now. Be gentle with Rigon. After all, St. Paul says that we are not supposed to argue. Consider Rigon like I consider him and many others in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-like-kids-778346.
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