What happens to the wicked upon death? - page 12.

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Quote from: Rigon on September 09, 2014, 11:02:29 AM

Quote from: zolace on September 09, 2014, 10:59:39 AM

Quote from: sana8410 on September 09, 2014, 10:54:19 AM

Right, a period of time which is not eternal. The term forever found in the bible translates 'aion' in the Greek meaning a period of time. It could be though some, depending on how great the sin, takes more time in the fire
Cor 3;13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap

Ok, for someone reason I was under the impression that your position was that the punishment was instantaneous.

That they were instantly consumed when cast into the lake of fire. How long they are there is dependent on their judgment?

Perhaps your reading comprehension skill ( or lack, thereof) let you down, Zolace.Your childish excuse about other people's reading skill is wearing thin, Zolace.

So, pointing out that I have read incorrectly is the same as you constantly distorting someone's words, even after they have pointed out to you that you have read incorrectly and you refusing to admit it?

See, one sign of good reading comprehension is that, when someone does get it wrong (we all do), we don't put up excuses. Someone with poor reading comprehension does not see it even after it has been pointed out.

Your buddy tried to score on this also. Apparently this has touched a nerve.

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Wicked guys gets sad after death.

Good guys stay happy Cheesy

Wicked guys lose

Good guys win

Anyone joining btcmazism?

And i am Saint Maze and thee shall be happy

Version 2:
Good guys will become humans

Bad guys will make up the rest

That will explain population explosion

Version 3: Opposite of version 2.

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Quote from: zolace on September 09, 2014, 10:59:39 AM

Quote from: sana8410 on September 09, 2014, 10:54:19 AM

Right, a period of time which is not eternal. The term forever found in the bible translates 'aion' in the Greek meaning a period of time. It could be though some, depending on how great the sin, takes more time in the fire
Cor 3;13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap

Ok, for someone reason I was under the impression that your position was that the punishment was instantaneous.

That they were instantly consumed when cast into the lake of fire. How long they are there is dependent on their judgment?

Perhaps your reading comprehension skill ( or lack, thereof) let you down, Zolace.Your childish excuse about other people's reading skill is wearing thin, Zolace.

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Quote from: sana8410 on September 09, 2014, 10:54:19 AM

Right, a period of time which is not eternal. The term forever found in the bible translates 'aion' in the Greek meaning a period of time. It could be though some, depending on how great the sin, takes more time in the fire
Cor 3;13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap

Ok, for someone reason I was under the impression that your position was that the punishment was instantaneous.

That they were instantly consumed when cast into the lake of fire. How long they are there is dependent on their judgment?

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Right, a period of time which is not eternal. The term forever found in the bible translates 'aion' in the Greek meaning a period of time. It could be though some, depending on how great the sin, takes more time in the fire
Cor 3;13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap

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Ashes to Ashes dust to dust that's it.

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Quote from: sana8410 on September 09, 2014, 10:37:10 AM

The beast and false prophet are works of satan which could mean his works are destroyed before him, thus where the beast and false are

Is your question leading to proving eternal torment in some way?

Not so much leading to eternal, but, at least leading to a time period.It is clear that the two are in this lake for a period of time, and not instantly destroyed when cast into the lake.

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The beast and false prophet are works of satan which could mean his works are destroyed before him, thus where the beast and false are

Is your question leading to proving eternal torment in some way?

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Quote from: zolace on September 09, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: sana8410 on September 09, 2014, 10:29:53 AM

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Notice, was, is not, and yet is which means we can't know when all this takes place really, just some time table only God knows. However the bottomless pit is still only in reference to wicked angels as some prison, but maybe a more restraining prison then tatoros. So even if this can be seen as a 4th hell (which i don't believe it is) it still is for demons not mankind

Now, is the author agreeing or not that the beast and false prophet have been there in lake the entire 1000 years? They were put there at the start, and they are still there after 1000 years.

I can't speak to the 1000 years because i haven't decided what it means exactly, but i'm leaning toward a future time, because the beast and false prophet in my mind still exist here.

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Quote from: sana8410 on September 09, 2014, 10:29:53 AM

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Notice, was, is not, and yet is which means we can't know when all this takes place really, just some time table only God knows. However the bottomless pit is still only in reference to wicked angels as some prison, but maybe a more restraining prison then tatoros. So even if this can be seen as a 4th hell (which i don't believe it is) it still is for demons not mankind

Now, is the author agreeing or not that the beast and false prophet have been there in lake the entire 1000 years? They were put there at the start, and they are still there after 1000 years.

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The same thing that happens to the devout, the wonderful, and the fundamentalist liar like yourself zolace. You decompose and your matter changes form and off you go into whatever cycle your elements take you.

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The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Notice, was, is not, and yet is which means we can't know when all this takes place really, just some time table only God knows. However the bottomless pit is still only in reference to wicked angels as some prison, but maybe a more restraining prison then tatoros. So even if this can be seen as a 4th hell (which i don't believe it is) it still is for demons not mankind

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Quote from: sana8410 on September 09, 2014, 10:22:44 AM

Quote from: zolace on September 09, 2014, 10:11:11 AM

So,Sana8410,From what the book is sayign the word abyss (Greek abussos) is found nine times in the New Testament.

Translated seven times as "bottomless pit' in Revelation.

The other two are in Luke and Romans.

Luke 8:31 - They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss

Romans 10:7 - or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (That is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)

Romans 10;7, the word 'deep' is in the KJV for Abyss and the context is talking about a desire to see Israel saved so i don't know what that would mean in that context

In luke 8;31 the demons don't want to go into the Abyss, which is the bottomless pit we can conclude. In Revelation an angel comes from Heaven with a key to the bottomless pit, he opens it and smoke comes out, and a beast comes out and makes war against the 2 witnesses. So the Abyss at some point becomes part of the prison for the demons, and at some point they are locked and sealed back in this pit, but revelation tends to span through a time period that we can't understand. An example of this is maybe in REV 17;8

Yeah, I did not add any conclusions intentionally about those verses - just wanted to note that they are out there.And, yes, apart from the Romans verse, they do appear to all apply to demons/fallen angels.

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God created evil people to throw in hell. Kind a sadistic guy. I wonder if he also tortured puppies as a kid! Hmmm this God why would he created the evil?

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Quote from: zolace on September 09, 2014, 10:11:11 AM

So,Sana8410,From what the book is sayign the word abyss (Greek abussos) is found nine times in the New Testament.

Translated seven times as "bottomless pit' in Revelation.

The other two are in Luke and Romans.

Luke 8:31 - They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss

Romans 10:7 - or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (That is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)

Romans 10;7, the word 'deep' is in the KJV for Abyss and the context is talking about a desire to see Israel saved so i don't know what that would mean in that context

In luke 8;31 the demons don't want to go into the Abyss, which is the bottomless pit we can conclude. In Revelation an angel comes from Heaven with a key to the bottomless pit, he opens it and smoke comes out, and a beast comes out and makes war against the 2 witnesses. So the Abyss at some point becomes part of the prison for the demons, and at some point they are locked and sealed back in this pit, but revelation tends to span through a time period that we can't understand. An example of this is maybe in REV 17;8

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So,Sana8410,From what the book is sayign the word abyss (Greek abussos) is found nine times in the New Testament.

Translated seven times as "bottomless pit' in Revelation.

The other two are in Luke and Romans.

Luke 8:31 - They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss

Romans 10:7 - or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (That is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)

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Quote from: crystalsum on September 05, 2014, 09:20:00 AM

I do believe that you most definitely become compost.

+1
but careful, you may become wicked compost!
don't worry, I believe it's just the same as saint compost...

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Quote from: zolace on September 09, 2014, 09:40:30 AM

But, often folks think of Protestant as one that is not RC. That is common. Of course, not technically true. One can belong to the Orthodox churches, not Protestant or RC or Baptist, etc.

No Christian believes that Dinosaurs and Human beings lived together and ate grass in the garden of Eden.No Church, RC; Calvanist; or otherwise believes your bullshit.

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But, often folks think of Protestant as one that is not RC. That is common. Of course, not technically true. One can belong to the Orthodox churches, not Protestant or RC or Baptist, etc.

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Quote from: Rigon on September 09, 2014, 09:36:07 AM

Quote from: zolace on September 09, 2014, 09:30:14 AM

Sana8410,Actually, being raised a Roman Catholic, I am familiar enough with purgatory.

Unfortunately, I was not taught about the grace of Jesus, God's Son. About Jesus, but, that he died to set me free, that never clicked. I was moved by his death on the cross, but, was quite sometime before I came to realize He did that on behalf of me, to see me free.

But later you became an insufferable evangelical Protestant who never learned to shut up.including becoming an insufferable liar.

Not a Protestant. Not if one means by that one that attends a church that came out of the protestant reformation.There were churches outside the RC before that reformation.

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