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Topic: What is happening to new projects? - page 5. (Read 5856 times)

MRY
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December 01, 2019, 09:28:52 AM
in the current conditions it might be difficult to start a project and many projects fail so many investors are disappointed and feel cheated, so we should be more careful in investing in new projects that are full of risk
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December 01, 2019, 09:28:27 AM
What the *eck is going on? we have many good projects coming into crypto space but they mostly end up failing, too many good new projects are dying as if they are been created to just die, what do you think its killing new good projects apart from scam projects?
The main reason was not all crypto projects can survive in the market knowingly , that they need to pay for the office , team and employees even though we can say that they raise huge money but it is not enough if they only rely on the project without a knowledge or putting some of their money into investments. Some other projects are taking their time to build it will takes years for the real product that how their project will be build . Always tak a look on every roadmap.
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They're tactical
December 01, 2019, 07:00:04 AM
The thing i never understand about ICO and buying token or coin as an investment to HODL expecting a ROI on it.

It's made to look similar to share holding in a company, but it's a completely different mechanism. Share prices in a company can rise because share is a % of the company capital, and when the company make profits, and rise it's capital, the share value increase.

But token are not a share, they are not a %, and even in the case of a 'good' project, that attract users and market, there is no connection between this and the price of coin on exchange. Especially that the main value of blockchain is a property transfer system, if all the coins/token are sold in an ICO and held by investor, it mean the blockchain is essentially frozen and useless. And if there is a huge speculation on the future price of the coin, nobody is going to use it as payment and the blockchain is essentially stall and useless.

In a 'regular' companies with fund rising through share, the company has an actual product to sell to customer with a profits, when the share holding agreement is made, nothing is really sold yet, it's just a paper that says the share holder will own a certain % of the profits made by selling the future product.

With ICO it seems the main product of the blockchain is the token, and they sell it all during the initial phase, and all the value is already extracted from the company at this point, and they have nothing else to sell.

ICO would make sense as a legal agreement that the funder are bound to hold a certain % of all the profits made using the blockchain, like if all transaction contain a fees distributed to the share holder, as the product of blockchain are the transactions, it's the price should be to fit with regular share holding model where owning a share can make profits, but the good model of funding is not really found yet IMO, other than going through the regular institution for the legal backing and more flexible agreements than what can be made using tokens sales.

I really don't understand how people who buy coin or token see it rise, other than riding a bull run in a pump and dump and selling at the right time scamming others who are going to buy it higher.

Essentially i really don't get it how people expect a token or coin doing x 10 or even x 2, even in case there is a rock solid team who deliver a successful product at the end, who is used by millions of people and in the economy, the price of the token is still not going to rise much.

Even bitcoin nobody can really explain why the value got so high, there is no usual "rational" reason for it to jump from 1$ to 6000$, there is no real economic for this.

The only thing that can make the coin rise if is a whale start a pump with huge funds, but in this case, the creation of value come from the whales pumping it, not from the product, either the product is successful or not. Even if there is a company behind, the benefits are going to end on the company account, and won't make the token price rise in itself.

Initially crypto were interesting because of perspective of decentralization, now it become all about people wanting to ride bull run and pump and dump on centralized exchange, which you could do even without any blockchain at all, and then calling developer greedy because they want to make profits, it's a bit the pot calling the kettle black.

I really don't get it by which mechanism people think the token will rise on value in exchange based on the success of the product itself. Especially if all the tokens that are supposed to be the main use of the blockchain are stuck in HODLers expecting it to go the moon.

On the other side there are all the private blockchain companies, who actually sell product to real company or solve IT issues in real economy, and they have zero token on exchanges, token are tied to the business logic of the company, and not sold with huge speculative promise in the future.

i've seen many people discussing this same issue, and i never got a really clear answer on how this ROI is supposed to happen when buying a token, even if the team is real and the project successful is the sense useful, used in real economy, by merchant or that other business are actually using it.

It's why this question of what make a project good, it depend what you expect of it, if you expect doing a huge profit on exchange, then any coin can do even without a blockchain on centralized site with whales playing pump and dump to keep the traders busy.

If it's about use in the economy, or about promoting decentralization, then i really don't see how the token price can do x10 or X1000 because it's getting used as currency or asset in another business or because it get millions of users. I really don't see how people correlate a project 'success' with price being pumped on exchanges. The two are completely orthogonal to me. Token are not a share in a company, there is zero legal obligation to anything, and there is no direct correlation between a project success and parabolic rising of the token price.

People saying this few year back were called FUDers and non believers, or like the price is supposed to do a x1000 "like bitcoin", but even bitcoin nobody can really explain how the price got so high, or why it would move up or down. So i really don't get it what people expect from crypto project nowday, other than them being pumped up by a whale and selling at the good moment to the good pigeon.
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December 01, 2019, 04:14:24 AM
I think that a lot of factors influence the project development results and the most important among these factors are the professionalism and priorities of the team.  The team should work on their project, and not set themselves the main goal to make big profits.  In addition, it is necessary to take into account the fact that the project ideas can be interesting, but there are enough competitors on the cryptocurrency market and the most important thing is the relevance of the project in society, on which its future prospects and reputation will depend.
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December 01, 2019, 02:56:56 AM
there are no new problems that happen there because most new projects only want quick profits without regard to investors after they get a lot of funds there. so i guess it is not surprising why many new projects are created just to die, even though softcap is not achieved but at least they have benefited even though not much, in contrast to good projects at least they will continue to strive for projects to continue to grow even though growth is slow
Quick profit by new project make them have lower price at the future and hard get back to higher price, I think for new project already list with exchange market keep stable price for long term and source media information about new project active every day to make investor keep trusted with their coin and always have potential to be on higher price.
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December 01, 2019, 02:38:54 AM
at this time a lot of new projects are popping up and it makes us have to be more careful in choosing projects because not a few projects that fail especially with the current market conditions, I think it will be difficult to make the project can develop, so think it wise to invest in new projects
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December 01, 2019, 01:45:00 AM
Indeed, most projects only want to get funds quickly and after that there is no development about their products. And this makes investors hesitant to invest their money because besides being afraid of not getting ROI and projects they are participating don't list on any exchangers

New or old projects have no real use case and investors already know about this which making them to stop investing in new projects and later on no matter how good the project is, they have difficulty reaching their softcap because only few investors now that are willing to take the risk.
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December 01, 2019, 12:35:14 AM
What's making you say that these projects are actually good? I've seen some projects in 2018 that actually made good money. Or you're just mistaken them for good projects even though they're really bad? If they are a really good project, don't lose hope because they might perform in the next few years when the green market comes.
sr. member
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November 30, 2019, 11:11:27 PM
Indeed, most projects only want to get funds quickly and after that there is no development about their products. And this makes investors hesitant to invest their money because besides being afraid of not getting ROI and projects they are participating don't list on any exchangers
sr. member
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November 30, 2019, 05:27:33 PM
This year's project may be unlucky and will continue to happen if the crypto market is still unstable. This makes investors think long about taking action to buy to avoid losses, even though the project is good but if the market price is low then it will be destroyed and not developed. But if market conditions improve, then we will not know maybe it could be a miracle.
hero member
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November 30, 2019, 03:34:58 PM
What the *eck is going on? we have many good projects coming into crypto space but they mostly end up failing, too many good new projects are dying as if they are been created to just die, what do you think its killing new good projects apart from scam projects?

Good projects you say?? How did you know they are good projects? What idea is within the platform and how experienced is the team? There is no doubt many projects are dying at the same time there are others still striving to stand their grounds. On the other hand, there are certain things killing most projects like the team not having the right skills to market their project adequately, the type of exchange and the partners within that said project.

Greed on the part of the team and also inexperienced team members are the biggest reasons why new projects fail. Looking at old projects like Stellar Lumen, even with their numerous airdrops they still strive over the years because the team has the right strategies and concepts. However, if the team's major aim of enacting the project is to "cash out" (scam) when they hit their target, it's already a failed project waiting for the day to pack up.
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November 30, 2019, 03:02:42 PM
new project is fine, nothing wrong, but the issue is people are not interested in kind of IEC, ICO sh*t anymore,
so much scams, and pointless project, born to scam. or if not, it still be abandoned after few months.
if I have money left, into ICO will be the last thing on earth I do
Nowadays it is very difficult to get a project that is really high quality or at least can give us the appropriate payment when we participate in campaigns or we participate in token sales, maybe new projects are starting to slow down due to the increasing number of scam projects, fewer investors will enter to a new project. I think more about entering into trade than having to enter into iCO projects that are not clear.
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November 30, 2019, 01:43:54 PM
new project is fine, nothing wrong, but the issue is people are not interested in kind of IEC, ICO sh*t anymore,
so much scams, and pointless project, born to scam. or if not, it still be abandoned after few months.
if I have money left, into ICO will be the last thing on earth I do
copper member
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November 30, 2019, 12:15:19 PM
What the *eck is going on? we have many good projects coming into crypto space but they mostly end up failing, too many good new projects are dying as if they are been created to just die, what do you think its killing new good projects apart from scam projects?

Good projects you say?? How did you know they are good projects? What idea is within the platform and how experienced is the team? There is no doubt many projects are dying at the same time there are others still striving to stand their grounds. On the other hand, there are certain things killing most projects like the team not having the right skills to market their project adequately, the type of exchange and the partners within that said project.
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November 30, 2019, 12:09:55 PM
With festive period approaching, it seems like an appropriate moment to take a peek into the crypto industry’s graveyard. Even in an industry as young as crypto, plenty of projects have already died. For a new project to thrive it needs to deliver something unique to the general public, we have seen too much of irrelevant projects spring up daily
legendary
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November 30, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
there are no new problems that happen there because most new projects only want quick profits without regard to investors after they get a lot of funds there. so i guess it is not surprising why many new projects are created just to die, even though softcap is not achieved but at least they have benefited even though not much, in contrast to good projects at least they will continue to strive for projects to continue to grow even though growth is slow
TWW
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November 30, 2019, 10:01:51 AM
What the *eck is going on? we have many good projects coming into crypto space but they mostly end up failing, too many good new projects are dying as if they are been created to just die, what do you think its killing new good projects apart from scam projects?
A lot of factors actually.For example, regulators can prohibit the activities of the project.As we are now seeing with the TON project.The project is mega cool, but if it is banned now, it will automatically become a failure.
yes, everything is related. some new projects also have the same reason as saying regulations from their countries that limit their development projects and eventually have to stop.
but if they are professional developers they should know what needs to be done. when a country strictly regulates a crypto platform, it should not need to happen.
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November 30, 2019, 05:29:49 AM
What the *eck is going on? we have many good projects coming into crypto space but they mostly end up failing, too many good new projects are dying as if they are been created to just die, what do you think its killing new good projects apart from scam projects?
A lot of factors actually.For example, regulators can prohibit the activities of the project.As we are now seeing with the TON project.The project is mega cool, but if it is banned now, it will automatically become a failure.
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November 30, 2019, 05:21:38 AM
Most investors are scared to invest now based on the past failed or scam project they involved in. The dwindling of the prices of crypto coins are also a barrier. We invest to make profit not loss.
Fear of losses through crypto investment is indeed very reasonable, just every job we do there are certainly risks and consequences that we must bear, so being brave to take risks on the basis of good analysis is very good rather than afraid and does not make anything.
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November 30, 2019, 04:31:31 AM
Most investors are scared to invest now based on the past failed or scam project they involved in. The dwindling of the prices of crypto coins are also a barrier. We invest to make profit not loss.
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