Topic: What percent of internet Bitcoin poker is Luck vs Skill? - page 3. (Read 7325 times)

I think the most affected factor is luck, which e.g you get bad card in your hand, but surprisingly you get three of kinds in the end I have experienced it, and thats why I chose luck 70% - skill 30%
But the advantage of online poker is our opponents can't using their skills to read our mind through our face, so we don't need to drive our expression in poker face then 

just to make it totally clear , by rigged you mean the site is cheating ??
or you mean that players can use bots in the game ?
bots exists , and from time to time a bot appears to the market , but if you mean that the site cheats then you are wrong
poker is the most popular gambling game where the house is for sure winning , there is no need to cheat the players
they are making millions by just offering the game

I really can't agree with that. Like I said I'm not a good player, but I know one (Michel Dattani, you can google him if you want).
He is not a close friend but we have friends in common and we were together in college. I remember him playing in 8 online tables while in classes lol
He started online and he continue to play online and also in live tournaments.
They can use a lot of information online (provided by software like "holdem manager", etc). That expression thing is more like movie stuff, of course you use all the information available to be able to see if the investment you are making on that hand is profitable in the long run, but your primary source of information is not based on expressions etc (because you can fake tells, it's not that hard. If you have problems with that, you can just act "nervous" all the time (shaking hands, tremble voice etc), and you cant tell when it is for real or not).
All players have a strategy and a pattern, and "what you do" is calculate the odds of winning against the range of hands that match the pattern of your opponent and see if it is worth it. And to do that, online poker, with a sotware like "holdem manager" makes your life much easier.

Of course you don't see that in low levels, and yes, in those low stakes is very hard to win, because players are just there busting their money (most of the times free money) and playing with luck, and you will have a hard time beating that even when you play well.
But that will also happen live. You can't do shit if you are against players that will keep going all in and doing stupid stuff. You would beat them in the long run, but the problem is that you are not playing just against them. You will win most of the times with solid play, but another jerk will just come and take the place of the maniac you just beat, and he will eventually beat you in a bad beat and then lose it to another lol.

Still poker is still mostly skill, and the only way to survive is to have a good bankroll management.
I don't want to offend anyone, but everyone that says poker is luck, or 50% luck or even 40% or 30% luck, just does not know how to play the game, and is probably one of those maniacs that shoves all in just for fun, or can't really justify their plays.

I vote for Poker is 50% Luck, 50% Skill.
I believe that live poker is based on skill.
Online poker is rigged.

Its not impossible it just takes alot of hard work.  They say it takes 10,000 hours to get good at anything and online poker is no different.  I do think its possible to beat micro stakes very soon in your poker career though.

Look @ pokertableratings.com and you will find many long term winners.

No its definately not 50/50.

In real-life you can win easily just by looking at people's expressions. Doing it online that's impossible.

I would actually disagree that WSOP is more skill involved than online poker. By watching any amount of WSOP on television, you can see people staying alive due to lucky draws all the time. Regardless of the skill of a player has, an incredible amount of luck is needed to make it to that final table. If WSOP was mostly skill, you would see mostly the same faces each final table.

As far as online poker goes, I would say its 50/50. Realistically, you can play enough hands to where if you are a good player you will consistently profit. However, for the more casual players, who play in tourneys every now and then, luck is easily as important as skill, but it doesn't play as big of a role (imo) as it does in WSOP.

well yes maybe you have a point , but in my opinion live is also has positives and negatives
for me , I live in a country where gambling is forbidden and there are no casinos available here
I have been doing pretty good online , now if I move to a country where gambling is allowed I don't think that I will do good playing live games cause I don't have the experience , I may suffer months till I get used to it

if its a 50/50 then probably i should do always call the All-in button because i have a 50% winning percentage

i think to play in gambling we need luck and skill
so i choice 50% luck and 50% skill.
and dont forget to play poker we need be patience.

Definitely agree with the Live vs Online Poker scene . I have played both Live and online extensively . Even though my online sessions have been profitable so far , but the live have been more profitable than online. Online is usually supposed to get you to play more hands in a given time so actually if you are playing the same game both online and live and do well,  then your online profit should be much more than live. But I definitely find live more easy to win more.
Would also like to add , that I have a personal poker player friend who has been constantly playing live and both online, even he has trouble winning online . However there are also people who have adapted to online play and are able to do good too .

poker in real life is 75 skill and 25 luck but on the internet it changes to 25 skill 75 luck as people cant show emotions and stuff

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poker is almost all luck

25% luck and 75% skill
we need skill to play in gambling.

There is a huge different between internet Poker and real life poker.

Most of the best poker gamblers can't make any money online. Poker is mostly about skill, but when played online its due to luck.

people who think that luck play the biggest part of poker they are not poker players , if so they should leave poker and move to dice
Luck play a part in the game , but not that big as many people are saying
you may be lucky to have AA 3 times in a row ( which is a big luck part you got the top hand ) but even this hand need a way to be played
so without skill you won't even win a good pot with pocket aces
so even if you are lucky u need skills to build the pot or to maximize your value

49% luck? I don't think it is 49%, too high actually, 29% is highest IMO.

If we have good luck, but less skills, you still can't win big cos your opponents can guess what hands you have, if they think you have better hands, they would fold instantly, even he has AA, I saw a video about Johnny Chan, he read his opponents had three of a kind, and he just had AA, so he folded without any hesitation. So he only lost a little money, and this is how important skill is. I am sure most of players would be all in with AA, and in that case, lost all of money with AA     So you have good luck with AA, others may have good luck with three of a kind. 

For me that's like 60% Luck and 40% Skill, During play poker I always rely on that card I held and then make a way or tactics so that i can easily win (It depends )

Yes they have bad beats, but with good bankroll management you can stay in the game so that the bad beats aren't just able to make a mess. And saying that they last for years is just to much I think.
In the long turn either the "luck" or the "bad luck" will just disappear, that's pure statistics. You can't be lucky all the time or unlucky all the time unless you are cheating. So 50/50 is just to much.

I mean can someone make a living in a work (because poker is work for professional poker players) that requires 50% of luck?

Im 50/50, watch Daniel Negraneu call reads on guys and tell me it doesn't take some skill. Chip managment is a skill and knowing when to fold is a giant skill to. But you have to be getting atleast decent cards to really collect, take a bad beat on someone where you just kill them. Even the most skillfull players have bad bad weeks/months/years.