I'm not a good poker player, so I need luck, but I do not hesitate to say that poker is mostly skill.
Luck helps, as it helps in any aspect of life, but poker is about the long turn so you can only get a profit from it if you are skilled, because no one can just "have luck" all the time, so they can get profit in the long turn.
There are professional poker players, I know one, he was in college with me (he is not a super well known pro like Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, etc etc), but he goes to all those big tournaments in Europe like EPT etc, and he gets to the prizes regularly and can make a very good living of it.
So yes poker is skill, otherwise you would not get professional poker players. They are not the "lucky ones", that simple does not exist. They are the ones that know how to play and can make a good bank management etc etc.
Topic: What percent of internet Bitcoin poker is Luck vs Skill? - page 4. (Read 7325 times)
60/40 skill/luck
51/49 def! You can check it everywhere no matter you get you always lost if there is lot of players in tournament ( you have to get 30x AA and win to get 1* place and chance on this is like 1%) yea you can trying it again and again and maybe you will be in a profit for a while but it's no worth of it
In my opinion, poker is 51% skill and 49% luck.
For example- If it was 100% luck, there were no players that will win so much tournaments, and there is almost no way to see amateur player in the final table of WSOP.
For example- If it was 100% luck, there were no players that will win so much tournaments, and there is almost no way to see amateur player in the final table of WSOP.
I perceived the question slightly differently.
Sure, if it is about WSOP, I'd say its mostly skill, with an element of luck.
But, when talking about Online Bitcoin Poker, there is a significantly lower skill level, particularly due to lower stakes.
To go for the WSOP, you have to pay 10k$, to play online though, you can even play freerolls and start off. The high stakes community is not too active (there are occasional high rollers) and I'd guess atleast 90% of the players gamble under 10$ in an average session. I doubt many players have actual strategies, or prior practice.
So, while your idea of more luck than skill may hold true for WSOP, it probably does not hold true for online Bitcoin poker.
In my opinion, poker is 51% skill and 49% luck.
For example- If it was 100% luck, there were no players that will win so much tournaments, and there is almost no way to see amateur player in the final table of WSOP.
For example- If it was 100% luck, there were no players that will win so much tournaments, and there is almost no way to see amateur player in the final table of WSOP.
Playing with doges is equiparable to play on Zynga over facebook, there is no real skill involved, just who bets more imo.
Because when you play with doges you feel careless, like if you were playing a freeroll, I need to feel the risk, or else I won't bother playing seriously
Because when you play with doges you feel careless, like if you were playing a freeroll, I need to feel the risk, or else I won't bother playing seriously
I'd say its almost purely luck, atleast in online games.
Most of my online poker experience is with Dogecoin, primarily because it's easier to find cheaper rooms. I play poker, not with the intent of winning big, but with the intent of just having fun.
I see people playing seriously on tables where max buy in is around 10k doge or 2$, but on anything lesser, all-ins are really common.
I think the game is mostly luck, atleast on the lower tiers of online gambling.
The skill level of most people I see is not too high, as to make it highly based on skill over luck.
Most of my online poker experience is with Dogecoin, primarily because it's easier to find cheaper rooms. I play poker, not with the intent of winning big, but with the intent of just having fun.
I see people playing seriously on tables where max buy in is around 10k doge or 2$, but on anything lesser, all-ins are really common.
I think the game is mostly luck, atleast on the lower tiers of online gambling.
The skill level of most people I see is not too high, as to make it highly based on skill over luck.
25 luck,75 skill, for obvious reasons.
I saw myself playing the worst hand possible and win at the river with it with just a bigger raise, and I saw myself loosing with the best possible hand in that moment(trips of aces) against a flush draw
soo true. there is some factor luck but its small.I saw myself playing the worst hand possible and win at the river with it with just a bigger raise, and I saw myself loosing with the best possible hand in that moment(trips of aces) against a flush draw
so basicly other part is skill
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-Katerniko1
25 luck,75 skill, for obvious reasons.
I saw myself playing the worst hand possible and win at the river with it with just a bigger raise, and I saw myself loosing with the best possible hand in that moment(trips of aces) against a flush draw
I saw myself playing the worst hand possible and win at the river with it with just a bigger raise, and I saw myself loosing with the best possible hand in that moment(trips of aces) against a flush draw
I tried poker for a while and had really good strategies. It was nice when you could find well populated sites to play at because there was a bigger mix of skilled and not so skilled player. But it gets really old really fast when everyone is playing tight and to a rigid strategy which is what I find in most online bitcoin poker sites. And now I understand why it's such a slow and boring game in bitcoin sites.
i vote for Poker is 75% Luck, 25% Skill.
i think all type of gambling basicly depends on luck..
but for poker depends on luck more than 75% and less than 25% depends on player's skill to make decision which better step to be taken..
i think all type of gambling basicly depends on luck..
but for poker depends on luck more than 75% and less than 25% depends on player's skill to make decision which better step to be taken..
short run poker is 99.9% luck
in the long run after many games this luck goes away (in the long run you are lucky [49.999 - 50.001] % of the times) so then it's near to 100% skill.
in the long run after many games this luck goes away (in the long run you are lucky [49.999 - 50.001] % of the times) so then it's near to 100% skill.
If it was near 100% skill then the same people would be winning all the time and this is not how gambling works.
i vote for Poker is 50% Luck, 50% Skill because we can not just relying only luck but must have skill and strategy
to win the game
to win the game
Yes, luck is needed, especially for donk players.
My examples:
1. once I played in betcoin, I was allin with pocket Q, the other one called with 5Jo, and he got three of Jacks, he had good luck although he is a donk call with 5Jo against my QQ.
2. there is a famous all-in guys named kevin235r, he is always all-in with every hand in freerolls in every poker house. He usually beat us with 27o against our A+X or pocket pair
Conclusion, luck is important, takes 25% of this game, but if wanna win in the long term, skills are the most important, because donks can be all-in and win with 27o a few times, but not every time.
My examples:
1. once I played in betcoin, I was allin with pocket Q, the other one called with 5Jo, and he got three of Jacks, he had good luck although he is a donk call with 5Jo against my QQ.
2. there is a famous all-in guys named kevin235r, he is always all-in with every hand in freerolls in every poker house. He usually beat us with 27o against our A+X or pocket pair
Conclusion, luck is important, takes 25% of this game, but if wanna win in the long term, skills are the most important, because donks can be all-in and win with 27o a few times, but not every time.
Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?
I guess in live poker you can gain different kind of insights with body language which increase your edge. Online you can run stats tracking how a player will play historically. To me it would seem with live poker you could gain a larger edge vs online if you knew how to read body language - this still is only a few % difference.
Which won't help you if the opponent is lucky. You always have to place a blind bet to stay in game, which means you always slowly lose money against a lucky player, even if you can read him.
This is true actually, Skills are very much needed to win at Poker but you really can't beat a guy whose luck is working and no matter what cards he plays he makes the flop every-time.
And you can only show your skills if the hands go to the river, then you can play slow, bluff etc. But if the other person is donkeying on every bet then you just have to play with luck.
I have seen some of the best players lose to a Donk while having the best pre-flop hands.
Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?
I guess in live poker you can gain different kind of insights with body language which increase your edge. Online you can run stats tracking how a player will play historically. To me it would seem with live poker you could gain a larger edge vs online if you knew how to read body language - this still is only a few % difference.
Which won't help you if the opponent is lucky. You always have to place a blind bet to stay in game, which means you always slowly lose money against a lucky player, even if you can read him.
Nope it wont help in the short term but a player can only get lucky for so long. So like in a full ring game usually a fish lasts longer because the format usually helps them have a tighter starting hand requirement and generally have less exposure to the sharks - a fish can be be a winner for over 10k hands etc. Put a fish shorter handed or heads up and they have to play more "poker", the luck just cant last forever, i doubt a big fish could win over 1k hands heads up vs a shark.
Its pretty crazy game though some of the people who have won the WSOP main event can be very average at poker. Perhaps the original poll and question could be reworded.
Why 'internet bitcoin poker'?
I guess in live poker you can gain different kind of insights with body language which increase your edge. Online you can run stats tracking how a player will play historically. To me it would seem with live poker you could gain a larger edge vs online if you knew how to read body language - this still is only a few % difference.
Which won't help you if the opponent is lucky. You always have to place a blind bet to stay in game, which means you always slowly lose money against a lucky player, even if you can read him.
if you play poker online its 50% luck and 50% skills. and if irl its 75% skills and 25% luck because you can play psychologically
I can't believe anyone here doesn't think about an anonymous poker site admin monitoring server logs for live hand details.
The owner can see every poker hand live!
The owner can see every poker hand live!
Yeah i have wondered about this, have to stick with trusted reputable sites/names i guess. You can always play small when checking out new sites, dont play with what you cant afford to lose.
I can't believe anyone here doesn't think about an anonymous poker site admin monitoring server logs for live hand details.
The owner can see every poker hand live!
The owner can see every poker hand live!
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