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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on June 01, 2021, 07:41:21 PM

Quote from: mu_enrico on May 18, 2021, 04:34:17 AM

Practically no one supports gambling, just like with cigarette industries.

I think this should be corrected a bit, brother.
"Theoretically, no one supports gambling. but practically, there are a lot of people who support it by participating in it."

*Some of them build gambling platforms, some people become gamblers, some participate in promoting the gambling platforms. Also, many other people support it although they don't join on it directly. That's the fact!

I think the meaning lost in translation. Practically means almost, not 100%.
I cannot recall there is a group that supports gambling, except those who are in the gambling industry. And it only account small minority of the population.
Even many gamblers won't support gambling because it ruined their lives. Take part as a user doesn't mean he supports the activity because of the addiction forces him to gamble. The situation is similar with cigarette industry where only those who work in the industry support it.

Anyway, context is important Wink

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Quote from: mu_enrico on May 18, 2021, 04:34:17 AM

Practically no one supports gambling, just like with cigarette industries.

I think this should be corrected a bit, brother.
"Theoretically, no one supports gambling. but practically, there are a lot of people who support it by participating in it."

*Some of them build gambling platforms, some people become gamblers, some participate in promoting the gambling platforms. Also, many other people support it although they don't join on it directly. That's the fact!

Quote from: Renampun on May 18, 2021, 04:49:57 AM

the main problem is 'gambling addicts'..

Not sure to say this as the main problem.
For some people, the main problem is they lose their money.
Addiction is just a side impact for daily gamblers. But for people who only use spare time to gamble, it is probably not the main problem.

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Quote from: iv4n on June 01, 2021, 04:03:53 PM

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The main motive in my opinion is that they want less people getting addicted to gambling and having an unhealthy financial health. I think that this is pretty noble thing to do because I have seen people have their lives turned the wrong direction because of their gambling addiction.

The main motive is a misunderstanding! I don't know how many times I need to repeat the same thing before people start understanding... gambling, drugs, sex perversions, name any other vice will never disappear from this earth! It's not about the existence of these vices, these vices exist and these vices are in all of us, it's about controlling them!

We are all addicts! And we all depend on something, whatever that is... starting from the basic things like water and food to some individual stuff! We all need basic addiction + addiction that calms us down and get us through the day! I guess the greatest irony is that some guy in Netherland can smoke weed and gamble freely, while in some Godforsaken country a normal person can't do the same!

So the greatest motive comes from hate, from the people who deny themselves! In trying to deny their nature they are capable of doing everything and anything, as we can witness!

And the problem is, most people can't control these vices, the reason why a lot are turning into addicts, whatever vice it is. So before they even enter into this vice, there are so many hate campaigns trying to discourage people not to go into this vice. However, only the person himself can decide on what to do with his life. And he should know the ramifications of his decision. That is for him to shoulder on.

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The main motive in my opinion is that they want less people getting addicted to gambling and having an unhealthy financial health. I think that this is pretty noble thing to do because I have seen people have their lives turned the wrong direction because of their gambling addiction.

The main motive is a misunderstanding! I don't know how many times I need to repeat the same thing before people start understanding... gambling, drugs, sex perversions, name any other vice will never disappear from this earth! It's not about the existence of these vices, these vices exist and these vices are in all of us, it's about controlling them!

We are all addicts! And we all depend on something, whatever that is... starting from the basic things like water and food to some individual stuff! We all need basic addiction + addiction that calms us down and get us through the day! I guess the greatest irony is that some guy in Netherland can smoke weed and gamble freely, while in some Godforsaken country a normal person can't do the same!

So the greatest motive comes from hate, from the people who deny themselves! In trying to deny their nature they are capable of doing everything and anything, as we can witness!

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Quote from: Fatunad on May 31, 2021, 07:53:54 PM

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on May 30, 2021, 03:53:58 AM

I don't think so, you have little chances to make money from gambling and it will take some time before you can set up a method or your own strategy so you can win, the anti-gambling sentiments are from people who are once compulsive gamblers or had one of their family members, it is to warn people not to consume all their times and money to gambling and not to be deceived that you can make money in gambling.

Each person has different views on what anti gambling campaign entails with. It may be negative for some and that's what OP thinks that he's being deprived of his chance of making money through gambling and that's understandable.

But on the other hand, we all have views on it and that's why it's very subjective.

Would really have positive and negative depending on the person who do view about gambling because we do have different impressions which means different comment about it.

Its bit understandable on why they do came up with that decision of banning or having that anti gambling campaign is to protect out their citizens on possible gambling addiction.
If there such rule or regulation into our own country then we wont have any choice but to abide with the laws.

That's their goal and that's why they're making those type of campaigns because they think that it will harm their citizens. With what most of the media is showing around the effects of gambling, people would really think that it's only giving harmful effects.

Because of those irresponsible gamblers that they are taking as an example, the government has to step so that there's going to be a lessen number of people who would become addicted to gambling.

It's about the effect of gambling that they're looking to avoid and that's why they're helping in that case as what they think it's the best way for them to help their people.

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Quote from: sunsilk on May 31, 2021, 05:33:41 PM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on May 30, 2021, 03:53:58 AM

I don't think so, you have little chances to make money from gambling and it will take some time before you can set up a method or your own strategy so you can win, the anti-gambling sentiments are from people who are once compulsive gamblers or had one of their family members, it is to warn people not to consume all their times and money to gambling and not to be deceived that you can make money in gambling.

Each person has different views on what anti gambling campaign entails with. It may be negative for some and that's what OP thinks that he's being deprived of his chance of making money through gambling and that's understandable.

But on the other hand, we all have views on it and that's why it's very subjective.

Would really have positive and negative depending on the person who do view about gambling because we do have different impressions which means different comment about it.

Its bit understandable on why they do came up with that decision of banning or having that anti gambling campaign is to protect out their citizens on possible gambling addiction.
If there such rule or regulation into our own country then we wont have any choice but to abide with the laws.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on May 30, 2021, 03:53:58 AM

I don't think so, you have little chances to make money from gambling and it will take some time before you can set up a method or your own strategy so you can win, the anti-gambling sentiments are from people who are once compulsive gamblers or had one of their family members, it is to warn people not to consume all their times and money to gambling and not to be deceived that you can make money in gambling.

Each person has different views on what anti gambling campaign entails with. It may be negative for some and that's what OP thinks that he's being deprived of his chance of making money through gambling and that's understandable.

But on the other hand, we all have views on it and that's why it's very subjective.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2021, 08:21:15 AM

I live in a country where gambling is de jure legal. But it is very difficult for the casinos to get license so 90% of the gamblers depend on illegal gambling dens. Here organized religion is kept out of governance, so we don't have stupid anti-gambling laws. On the other hand, I have travelled to countries such as India, where gambling is illegal. Here the gambling sector is completely under the control of criminal gangs, since legal gambling is not possible. And this is what happens when the government comes up with stupid bans.

Exactly. It's completely unproductive - as long as there is demand for gambling products, the government shouldn't be anti-industry. Rather, it should embrace it and healthily regulate (not through draconian means).

You'll simply get a bunch of unregulated entities springing up that will likely have ridiculously high house edges/rigged games.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have licensed, regulated casinos that are more transparent compared underground gambling dens that are more likely to be addiction inducing and likely have much more immoral connotations associated with them.

This is why prohibiting a product or service should only be used for the stuff that is really dangerous, gambling does not qualify as the number of people that area addicted to it is so low that if governments ban it and people keep gambling then they will be way more unprotected and this will apply not only to the addicted gamblers but those that are responsible as well and many honest people will lose their jobs while governments lose a lot of money on taxes, all things being considered banning gambling seems like a losing move for the governments.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on May 17, 2021, 07:19:46 PM

is it intended to deprive people like me of opportunities to make money.

I don't think so, you have little chances to make money from gambling and it will take some time before you can set up a method or your own strategy so you can win, the anti-gambling sentiments are from people who are once compulsive gamblers or had one of their family members, it is to warn people not to consume all their times and money to gambling and not to be deceived that you can make money in gambling.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on May 30, 2021, 03:26:07 AM

It's about reading the stats and knowing about a bit of statistics and mathematics. There are for sure a bunch of lucky players who have the chance to win and, sometimes, to win big but these data are outnumbered by the millions who keep losing.
This is how life works in the end, sometimes we're ahead, sometimes we're behind and the race it's only with ourselves.
To me it's not about negativity, but about reality and facts.

I think there are two negative type of people towards gambling and who try to stop it. The first group is former gamblers who either lost money or who tried hard and never managed to win big. The feel like they deserve to win but the bad casinos are rigged and they had to chance. This is probably the more extremer group where changing their mind seems very hard. The second group is not so extreme and could like be reasoned with. They are just negative people, probably never really gambled and just want to ruin the fun for others.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 30, 2021, 02:56:36 AM

Not everyone is like you or those who can make a profit from gambling these anti-gambling crusades by some people is just to warn people to play responsibly and they are preaching the reality of gambling too much, so you will hear or read their post about only play with money that you can afford to play because it's the reality of playing in gambling platform if you fail to follow that, the problem will come along the way.

They're reminding people to gamble responsibly but most of them are reminding to stop wholly because they're showing the bad results of it.
That's why those campaigns are really discouraging people to gamble which is their right. But no matter how they do their campaign if their people will have that curiosity to gamble, they will gamble.

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It's about reading the stats and knowing about a bit of statistics and mathematics. There are for sure a bunch of lucky players who have the chance to win and, sometimes, to win big but these data are outnumbered by the millions who keep losing.
This is how life works in the end, sometimes we're ahead, sometimes we're behind and the race it's only with ourselves.
To me it's not about negativity, but about reality and facts.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on May 17, 2021, 07:19:46 PM

Everywhere I look, all I see are negative comments made about money lost gambling. Mental illness associated with gambling and anything that can illustrate gambling in a negative light.

As someone who considers themselves to be a profitable gambler. The trend of covering only the negative side of the industry puzzles me.

Not everyone is like you or those who can make a profit from gambling these anti-gambling crusades by some people is just to warn people to play responsibly and they are preaching the reality of gambling too much, so you will hear or read their post about only play with money that you can afford to play because it's the reality of playing in gambling platform if you fail to follow that, the problem will come along the way.

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It was directed to everyone who's primarily seeking to gamble for gains. Because they will have this negative connotation that it's very easy to earn huge racks of cash when you gamble which is not entirely true. It's for people who are aware that they do not have self-control, so they don't go bankrupt over a very stupid decision such as gambling all their life savings away.

I think that campaign is for every person, including those who already gamble and people who want to start gambling. It will remind them about the danger of playing gambling and what they can get from gambling. If more people can know about that campaign and they can think about the danger, maybe they will not try to involve in gambling instead stay away from gambling and search for other ways to make money.

I agree that the true intent of the anti-gambling campaign is good purpose, and it is shown for everyone, not only for those who have gambled.
In order to understand the dangers of gambling, because there are still many people who consider gambling as a source of income. So if we find
an anti-gambling campaign, there is no need to think negatively first, maybe they want to remind gambling is not good as a source of income
and only as entertainment. So everyone who wants to play gambling can finally be more careful when playing gambling, so that people gamble
with money that they can afford to lose. Maybe also with an anti-gambling campaign people can avoid gambling addiction, people who want to
play gambling can finally limit their time and money to play gambling.

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Quote from: uneng on May 29, 2021, 11:25:04 PM

But if you don't know from where he got those statistics how can you say the small problem gamblers aren't included on the 4%-5%?

It's actually possible to find such statistics and many different reports on google if you search for it. People who conduct these studies have their methods to reach estimated results even if gamblers hide their personal experiences from everyone else.

The problem is that those anti-gambling campaigns are using the example of problem gamblers, which are the minority, to lure the public opinion to believe it's a common behavior among gamblers, what isn't the true. They can't misrepresent the facts with the excuse they are helping people to avoid a possible addiction.

That's the thing though, you don't exactly both sides of something when trying to argue with someone (especially one ignorant about the topic), you instead show the bad side, the side that would guarantee you a win in an argument. Even if you back it with facts, and say that 95% of gamblers are responsible and the rest are the ones that are bad, people will always, ALWAYS, nitpick the 5%, instead of the 95% good. Why? Because being responsible or good is something NATURAL, so people take it for granted.

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Quote from: chaser15 on May 28, 2021, 04:34:39 PM

Quote from: Silberman on May 28, 2021, 11:21:09 AM

I disagree there are many studies that show that from the whole population of gamblers only 4% to 5% can be described as having problems with the activity, the rest are responsible gamblers,

But didn't you know that there are small gamblers who actually feel depressed and stressed because of their continuous losses even for a small stake? For sure they are not part of that 4% to 5% you are saying that I don't know too where you got it.

Their stats can't be determined by any source because, in the first place, these people aren't showing to the public or maybe hiding that experience from anyone.

In reality, there is no source or reports that can validate how much gamblers are really having a problem. That's why a public drive of the anti-gambling campaign is the solution to reach any gambler audience as much as possible.

But if you don't know from where he got those statistics how can you say the small problem gamblers aren't included on the 4%-5%?

It's actually possible to find such statistics and many different reports on google if you search for it. People who conduct these studies have their methods to reach estimated results even if gamblers hide their personal experiences from everyone else.

The problem is that those anti-gambling campaigns are using the example of problem gamblers, which are the minority, to lure the public opinion to believe it's a common behavior among gamblers, what isn't the true. They can't misrepresent the facts with the excuse they are helping people to avoid a possible addiction.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2021, 08:21:15 AM

I live in a country where gambling is de jure legal. But it is very difficult for the casinos to get license so 90% of the gamblers depend on illegal gambling dens. Here organized religion is kept out of governance, so we don't have stupid anti-gambling laws. On the other hand, I have travelled to countries such as India, where gambling is illegal. Here the gambling sector is completely under the control of criminal gangs, since legal gambling is not possible. And this is what happens when the government comes up with stupid bans.

Exactly. It's completely unproductive - as long as there is demand for gambling products, the government shouldn't be anti-industry. Rather, it should embrace it and healthily regulate (not through draconian means).

You'll simply get a bunch of unregulated entities springing up that will likely have ridiculously high house edges/rigged games.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have licensed, regulated casinos that are more transparent compared underground gambling dens that are more likely to be addiction inducing and likely have much more immoral connotations associated with them.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2021, 08:21:15 AM

I live in a country where gambling is de jure legal. But it is very difficult for the casinos to get license so 90% of the gamblers depend on illegal gambling dens. Here organized religion is kept out of governance, so we don't have stupid anti-gambling laws.

That's better if there's no religion being involved in making laws. Because we know that there are countries that are involving their religion to their laws but we can't question them, their belief and way they manage their countries.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2021, 08:21:15 AM

On the other hand, I have travelled to countries such as India, where gambling is illegal. Here the gambling sector is completely under the control of criminal gangs, since legal gambling is not possible. And this is what happens when the government comes up with stupid bans.

This is what really going to happen to countries that have restricted gambling, individuals and private people would be the one managing it for the "protection" of the business.

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Quote from: chaser15 on May 28, 2021, 04:34:39 PM

Quote from: Silberman on May 28, 2021, 11:21:09 AM

I disagree there are many studies that show that from the whole population of gamblers only 4% to 5% can be described as having problems with the activity, the rest are responsible gamblers,

But didn't you know that there are small gamblers who actually feel depressed and stressed because of their continuous losses even for a small stake? For sure they are not part of that 4% to 5% you are saying that I don't know too where you got it.

Their stats can't be determined by any source because, in the first place, these people aren't showing to the public or maybe hiding that experience from anyone.

In reality, there is no source or reports that can validate how much gamblers are really having a problem. That's why a public drive of the anti-gambling campaign is the solution to reach any gambler audience as much as possible.

^ I think there is no problem with having an anti-gambling campaign and you are definitely right. The solution to this anti-gambling campaign is that the awareness of some gamblers that one step ahead they will become addicted. Probably that was the fact in here and there is the anti-gambling campaign, just through the notification at least you will be notified. However, this thing that I am sure will lessen the number of gambling addicts, it a big help though.
Nevertheless, you can delete it if you found not good.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 28, 2021, 11:21:09 AM

I disagree there are many studies that show that from the whole population of gamblers only 4% to 5% can be described as having problems with the activity, the rest are responsible gamblers,

But didn't you know that there are small gamblers who actually feel depressed and stressed because of their continuous losses even for a small stake? For sure they are not part of that 4% to 5% you are saying that I don't know too where you got it.

Their stats can't be determined by any source because, in the first place, these people aren't showing to the public or maybe hiding that experience from anyone.

In reality, there is no source or reports that can validate how much gamblers are really having a problem. That's why a public drive of the anti-gambling campaign is the solution to reach any gambler audience as much as possible.

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