Absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat, just like there is nothing wrong with be vegan. What I don't like is when another person tries to force their beliefs on me.
Nobody has the right to tell me what I can and cannot eat. I know people who are extremely unhealthy that are vegans, the same goes with heavy meat eaters. I'll stick to the everything in moderation diet. There is a perfectly healthy balance in the middle.
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Meat and fat is so damn tasty, it's silly to miss out on the goodness for whatever reason.
How are you actually living, if you limit yourself on what you eat, drink, enjoy?
How are you actually living, if you limit yourself on what you eat, drink, enjoy?
Here's a flow chart of your thinking, @CoinGeneral
1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
Can I use it for future reference [[Pls]].? If you have any copyrights of this ? Or I can Just Modify it if you disagree.1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
Haha, go for it.
Here's a flow chart of your thinking, @CoinGeneral
1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
Can I use it for future reference [[Pls]].? If you have any copyrights of this ? Or I can Just Modify it if you disagree. 1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
Here's a flow chart of your thinking, @CoinGeneral
1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
Lol.
I worked in a health food store for 2 years. I met my fair share of vegans / vegetarians and they're all crazy just like you.
I like how you say Weston A Price's book is just one big anecdotal point of view and then you give me this big wall of anecdotes. What am I supposed to say? I can't deny your experiences.
That's like a christian coming up to me and telling me, "God is real man, I've experienced him and if you would too then you would also believe in him!"
It's your personal experience, but I'm sure there are more variables involved, but again, I would have to see pre and post events leading to it as well as general mindset blah blah.
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Everything became better man, EVERYTHING. My thinking process, my energy levels, my relationships with people, my skills in different fields, everything improved.
That's too funny.
If I go vegetarian will it erase my credit card debt and pay for the rest of my school too?
I would probably consider it then.
You're saying this as if I didn't do my research and assume I was brought into society by my parents and was raised as a vegetarian or a vegan. As if I had never eaten meat before, as if I had never cooked meat or experienced both sides before. I changed to this diet since I like to try out many different food types, and found out veganism was hands down the best, the healthiest, and makes so much sense plus you don't miss out on anything at all. I'm actually loving life more than ever, more than 5 people I know and can name are trying out vegetarianism as well now because they saw how much more vibrant, cheerful, energized, and productive I became thanks to this lifestyle change.
You on the other hand, are very closed minded. You say it's not even a bad thing to become a vegan or vegetarian and it can even be healthy, reverse diabetes, cure cancer, weight loss, etc, but you don't even want to try it out. No one is saying it's a permanent life choice, no one is saying you have to call yourself a vegan or a vegetarian and affiliate yourself with that group, no one is saying you can't eat meat ever again. You can always go back to eating meat again if that's what you choose and veganism or vegetarianism doesn't work out for you.
It's the same with me, I tried out veganism just like I tried out all the other diets out there. Just to try it out. It wasn't a permanent life choice, it wasn't a necessity, I wasn't affiliating myself with the vegan group. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, and my mind was blown. Energy went up, vitality went up, brain function went up, I was saving money on food, I started becoming more active, it was as if life had taken on a whole new playing field. I don't feel any need or hunger to consume any animal products anymore and that's why I don't and choose not to.
It's backed up by science, backed up by stories, backed up by logic.
What makes more sense: hunting and killing an animal which takes a long time, taking out the tools necessary to remove the fur, feathers, organs, bones, and other bloody parts that aren't edible, taking out the few small pieces that are edible, washing that part thoroughly to make sure it's bacteria free, not to mention the terrible smell of the carcass that humans evolved to stay away from, washing it over and over again, finally cooking that part until it turns to a brown color or freezing it before it rots in a short time span, then eating it while it's hot because when it's normal temperature or cold it tastes like crap which is why the microwave and oven exist, not to mention the spices, sauces, herbs, etc, added just to make it taste acceptable.
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Just plucking a fruit out of a tree and taking a bite into it. Or taking a vegetable out of the ground and washing it then eating it. You don't even have to cook these foods yet you can, nor are you scared away from them. Nor do they take much effort at all in harvesting. And they taste really good naturally without any spices or herbs or sauces added. Plus you already know eating fruits and vegetables is a healthy thing, I don't think anyone will ever disagree with you on that one.
But the society we live in is very delusional. No one cares about math or science, no one cares about education, no one cares about a healthy diet, no one cares if their religion is wrong, people like to live in a fantasy world where meat is perfumed with antibiotics and drugs and think no animal has to suffer and get slaughtered, where taking pills and going to the doctor daily is a normal activity, where cancer, diabetes, and obesity are completely normal, where lack of energy so you need coffee and five hour energy just to move around is completely normal, etc. Just a delusional world. The diet cure that can literally solve all their problems is right in front of their faces but most people are simply the blind following the blind and everyone gets lost together.
Check out these videos:
Benefits I felt after taking meat out of my diet
Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death
Girl Cures and Reverses Stage 3 Brain Cancer on Vegan diet
Well it makes your sweat smell of whatever animal you've eaten also it's bad for your digestion.
I don't think that there is such a thing as a wrong or right diet. I think it's about what you feel naturally drawn to.
Some people eat the worst kind of junk food all the time and don't get fat or unhealthy. I myself lived on junk food for a whole year while I was in the UK and never once felt unhealthy.
I don't eat meat that often these days. I'll still have a KFC or McD from time to time but I'm kinda moving away from meat without really trying. I enjoy fish and seafood more
Some people eat the worst kind of junk food all the time and don't get fat or unhealthy. I myself lived on junk food for a whole year while I was in the UK and never once felt unhealthy.
I don't eat meat that often these days. I'll still have a KFC or McD from time to time but I'm kinda moving away from meat without really trying. I enjoy fish and seafood more
Here's a flow chart of your thinking, @CoinGeneral
1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
1) Assert argument -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 2.
2) State evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly. End.
b) If no, go to 3.
c) If no and they provide counter-reasoning, go to 4.
3) Post silly picture and/or spin stated evidence -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 4.
4) Ignore all counter-reasoning and morally condemn those that don't agree -- do people agree?
a) If yes, smile smugly (this will never happen). End.
b) If no, go to 3.
You probably never had this much energy before because you ate a lot of unhealthy junk as well as meat. You'd probably be in better shape than you are right now if you started eating meat. You're fitter now because you've been lazy all your life and never exercised. As for beating experienced runners as a beginner, you must be racing tortoises or something. Even old people who've been running their whole life can easily beat novice runners. Cutting meat out your diet isn't going to suddenly turn you into superman.
I've tried pretty much every diet out there; low meat diet, Mediterranean diet, including the ones without any junk food like the Paleolithic diet Ron (person above) talked about. And yes, I did my research and ate the diets correctly. I felt tired after every meal and always felt like having a nap. I thought that was normal. I went around eating eggs and bacon for breakfast while on the Paleo diet, and felt really sluggish afterwards, and this was just after waking up. Now though my views have changed after doing experimentation and research on eating differently.
Another reason I no longer eat meat is that there is literally no point in eating it once you learn the truth, educate yourself, and face the facts. You can live longer without it, feel more energized without it, cure diseases including cancer without it, save money without it, become smarter without it, overall improve your life without it. Let me know if you disagree with any of these statements, or if you think that you DO need meat to survive.
Like I said before, in none of my diets did I have any urge to exercise or move around, in part due to the difficulty. I cycled instead of driving every now and then before vegan, but I'd felt BEAT and tired once I got there. Now it's very difficult for me to tire myself out doing any activity, I don't know if you ever felt that experience before, but it's basically like being on caffeine 24/7. That's one reason why there are so many elite level vegan and vegetarian endurance athletes, because it is so difficult to tire yourself out.
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I am on the verge of 85 and still work as hard as ever. I have lived quite long enough and am trying to die; but I simply cannot do it. A single beef-steak would finish me; but I cannot bring myself to swallow it. I am oppressed with a dread of living forever. That is the only disadvantage of vegetarianism.
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As I said, I adopted a vegan diet in 1987 At the time, I was running cross country, and when I dropped meat and dairy products from my diet, my 10k time plummeted from about 46 or 47 minutes down to between 42 and 43 minutes. Basically, when I stopped forcing my body to expend so much energy processing saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein, I had more energy, my metabolism sped up, I dropped a few pounds that I didn’t even know I had, and I got faster. I also found that I needed less sleep, had far more energy, and felt happier, just in general. Of course, I am not unique. Vegans are always telling me that they need less sleep and less coffee and have more energy than they ever had before. They also tell me that their newfound energy has made them happier.
Also if you think you can't enjoy Fish, Beef, Chicken, etc, on a vegan diet, there are vegan substitutes of each one that are made of no animal products, are healthier for you, are cheaper to buy and produce, and taste better than real meat (as was taste tested in a live experiment). If you don't believe me, go to ANY vegetarian or vegan restaurant in your area, they will have these meat substitutes of every kind there. Let me know if you can tell the difference between real meat and the veggie meats.
There is literally no sacrifice to be made here. None. You improve your health, save your money, improve your energy levels, you can reverse cancer, reverse diabetes, save the animals, save the planet, become smarter, and eat the same kinds of foods as before. Again let me know if you have any contrasting beliefs or disagree with any of these statements.
Check out some of these videos:
Benefits I felt after taking meat out of my diet
Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death
Girl Cures and Reverses Stage 3 Brain Cancer on Vegan diet
I tend toward a paleolithic diet. Lots of meat,veggies, and berries but no grains or processed foods. I feel better than I did at 20.
quoting idiot like mike tyson pretty much sums it up.
humans are nothing more that advanced animals, it is normal to eat meat.
if u want to be vegan ok, be a vegan, but if u stand between me and my red meat meal, i just may become canibal for a day :E
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humans are nothing more that advanced animals, it is normal to eat meat.
if u want to be vegan ok, be a vegan, but if u stand between me and my red meat meal, i just may become canibal for a day :E
cheers
The sad part is, I don't even think veganism is that bad if done properly, but you encourage it like it's a miracle diet that will save you from everything, including low IQ.
Also, I would never watch any video with the title, "how to prevent death". Prevent death? I hate pretentious titles like that, that only serve to lure the reader in.
It's good you just discovered exercise. I don't know many people that go outside for exercise and an hour or two later say, "gee i really feel like having a nap now.." Exercise is supposed to wake you up because it raises your body temperature and gets the blood flowing.
I've already seen enough vegans to know I don't want to ever do veganism. Low test levels in men as well as women losing their periods while on it because they don't get any cholesterol anymore. Problems with their teeth, vitamin deficiencies etc. Not to mention the cult like mentality that comes along with it.
Why even bother posting pictures of greek philosophers? Those quotes can be taken in from so many different perspectives that it's rather pointless and just shows how childish your arguments are.
Woah, so profound!
Also, I would never watch any video with the title, "how to prevent death". Prevent death? I hate pretentious titles like that, that only serve to lure the reader in.
It's good you just discovered exercise. I don't know many people that go outside for exercise and an hour or two later say, "gee i really feel like having a nap now.." Exercise is supposed to wake you up because it raises your body temperature and gets the blood flowing.
I've already seen enough vegans to know I don't want to ever do veganism. Low test levels in men as well as women losing their periods while on it because they don't get any cholesterol anymore. Problems with their teeth, vitamin deficiencies etc. Not to mention the cult like mentality that comes along with it.
Why even bother posting pictures of greek philosophers? Those quotes can be taken in from so many different perspectives that it's rather pointless and just shows how childish your arguments are.
Woah, so profound!
You should give it a try man, at least for a week, and observe how much better you feel and how much more energy you're having.
Video: Benefits I felt after taking meat out of my diet
Veganism pretty much saved me from every life issue I was having. There was nothing that became worse thanks to changing my diet, so yes it definitely can be a 'miracle cure' that can solve all problems. Everything became better man, EVERYTHING. My thinking process, my energy levels, my relationships with people, my skills in different fields, everything improved.
Also I find it hard to believe you've met 'enough vegans in your life' to know not to try it out. I've met only met ONE vegan my entire life, and he was FIT. How the heck do you know what their testosterone levels were anyway? Did you get a blood test from them? On average vegans have higher testosterone levels than vegetarians who have higher testosterone levels than meat eaters.
Problems with teeth and VITAMIN DEFICIENCIES?! LOL? Are you crazy dude? You should be getting way more vitamins and nutrients from this diet with every meal. I have had two teeth removed, several carpal tunnels, lots of teeth fillings, very expensive, and let me tell you that wasn't from a diet of eating fruits and vegetables. My parents for example have very few real teeth left and wear dentures plus they ate only the standard American diet.
Even though I've added exercise to daily routine, I'm still having more free time than ever. When you are able to think clearly and when you're always full of energy, you get things done a lot quicker, and it also gives you extra time to double check for any errors.
At one point I actually hated exercising, I didn't have any energy, I would always fatigue quickly, and could never catch up or keep up with people in running. I couldn't even run a mile. I'd run two laps around the track and I'd crash.
Now I'm not having any problems with energy, my energy levels are through the roof. Instead of taking the car I'm now taking my old bike and cycling, saving myself $30 or more a week, and it is SOOO EASY. So freakin' easy man, no effort at all on my part, it's like my body wants to move, it's actually a lot of fun, and my body feels better afterwards.
Let me know why I never had this energy before while eating meat in my diet. I have tried pretty much every diet out there and none of them worked as well as this. If it were so bad for me, if I hated it, I would not be doing it nor would I be talking about my benefits about it. But it hasn't let me down, the food is delicious and healthy, I'm saving lots of money, and honestly I never felt this good in my entire life. Plus I have more care about the animals and the environment than ever before. Let me know why I'm fitter and smarter now than I have ever been in my entire life. Let me know why I'm able to beat people in running races who exercised their entire life, and I only just started.
Nothing is wrong with eating meat and I am not opposed to salads but the majority of vegan/vegetarian food tastes like utter horseshit.
What exactly constitutes vegan food? If it's every dish that doesn't contain animal products then I'd have to disagree with you. Most people who eat a well-balanced diet will consume a good amount and variety of fruits and vegetables. Obviously meat copycat veggie products will never taste like meat, but they don't necessarily taste bad in the least.
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Nothing is wrong with eating meat and I am not opposed to salads but the majority of vegan/vegetarian food tastes like utter horseshit.
Ok why we are even having this discussion why don't we just respect each others choice of living their life instead of trying to persuade them to choose the alternate lifestyle.
Makes me want to diet, and start juicing like that one guy who lost 40-100lbs.
Get busy then.
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