Topic: What's your opinion of gun control? - page 17. (Read 450481 times)

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We in America learn how to 'hold and direct', and other common sense things, from our older family members most of the time.  When that is not possible, the basics of using a firearm are not exactly rocket science.  The mechanics of operating an automobile are quite a lot more complex, and failures to follow common-sense guidelines are every bit as lethal.  Demonstrably.

Gun control is absolutely necessary. The point, really, isn't gun control. Rather, it is who or what is controlling the guns.

For example. It would be preposterous to give all gun control over to the cats and dogs. These critters couldn't even load a gun. They could barely find a purpose for a gun.

Nor do we give gun control over to simple nature. Why not? Because there are people in simple nature who would invent guns, like the Chinese thousands of years ago. This means that the only way to get rid of guns is to get rid of all people.

So, we come to the point of who the controllers are; they are people. Government people and soldiers and police are people. Stalin and Hitler were government people. They used guns to kill many millions. So, why would we want government people to be the authorities for gun control? After all, even Al Capone only killed a few compared with Stalin and Hitler. Even Bonnie and Clyde in their reign of gun terror only killed a few compared to Stalin and Hitler.

Most important is the point that if the general public were gun aware and gun ready, most of them would have protected themselves from Al Capone, Bonnie and Clyde, Stalin, Hitler, and the bad cops and soldiers of today.

The point? Gun control for the greater good needs to be done by ALL the people.

Limiting civilian ownership of guns is motivated almost exclusively by very powerful people who long ago obtained immense wealth and have only grown it since.  Money being no object, the operation is well funded through their media holdings, control of education, etc and don't lack for resources.  One of the most visible organs of these people is the United Nations, and this entity is front and center in a lot of the active push to dis-arm all civilians in all nations although in order to see it clearly it takes enough effort to lift a very thin curtain.

99% of the gun-grabbers are nothing more than well-meaning (and innumerate) dups who've been adequatly conditioned...and in some cases over-conditioned.  Not bad people; just brainwashed.

The links from ~local_flow are classic propaganda from the aforementioned.  I've seen it time and time again.  Almost every other post on this thread sounds the same and comes right out of prescribed curriculum.

I quoted ~swami74' because this is one flavor of propaganda I hear from some who claim to be Aussies.  Others tell a very different story.  A fair number of them warn Americans to not let what happened to them happen to us.  I take their warnings to heart.

With the resources at the disposal of the gun-grabbers at the top of the pyramid, they know for sure that they will end up in control of the paramilitaries.  Consequently the opposite 'messaging' is promoted for this group (often labeled 'police and military' although private security firms also will be included.)  Police and other government operators are to have a monopoly on the use of force so they not only have as many guns as they want, but also increasingly military technology to employ against civilians.  Most alarming to me, things are being set up such that the police forces in particular 'self-fund' through 'civil asset forfeiture' which is simply flat out robbery through armed force.  There are a variety of examples of this happening fairly blatantly already which can be seen on youtube and the like.

As a 'sanity check', I often ask myself:

  "OK, a decade or two on we see a pretty awful scenario as some anticipate (in this case, 'authorities' abusing their
  monopoly on use of force.)  In looking back, were there warning signs?  Could we have seen this coming?"

My answer here is "Oh hell yeah!"  In fact it would be hard to miss, especially when observing how authorities tend to operate in most other countries around the world where monopolization of force in the hands of 'leadership' is more well developed.

All the Australia example ^^^ means, is that the Aussie Government is limiting the slave-making process that they are doing after they take the guns away. But they have to. Why? Because if they caused slavery to their people who can no longer protect themselves, their people would look to the USA, and see that guns mean protection from Government. Then the people would smuggle guns in from America, and take their government down.

If nobody in the world had gun freedom like America, there would be total tyranny around the world.

The people of the nations of the world might fear guns, but their respective governments fear guns in the hands of the people more.

Living in Australia l have seen what a change gun control can have. In 1996 the Australian government introduced a range of controls on the sale and ownership of firearms that dramatically changed the landscape regarding gun violence. A dramatic drop in violence with guns, lives saved and community attitudes changed. I would like to think people around the world can look and see what can be done when governments and communities come together and embrace change that is so positive.

I'm reporting a couple of articles that give numbers of the problem of weapons in the United States. The US is in fact the first, among the economically developed states, to have a higher number of voluntary killings, gun violence and weapons owners.
Problems of this kind can not be faced based on what people think of weapons or personal safety. It is a problem that needs to be faced by looking at the whole picture, evaluating on a social level what impact it has and how other states deal with this problem. Every American observing a high rate of violence will certainly think that having a gun is a good thing. Holding a gun will deter criminals from bothering you, right? Anyone will say that is better own a gun with a thief in front of him. But what we forget is that it is much more common that even the thief owns a gun and certainly the thief who owns it has psychiatric disorders or has good reason to shoot you and steal what you have. This idea belongs very much to a world made up of cowboys, far west and slavery in which every citizen does not trust the role of the state and the police but only trusts himself. The police are highly trained to intervene, a citizen, on the other hand, is not trained (even if they have a regular license for weapons). A policeman is trained to kill a criminal only if the criminal make an attempt on people's lives, not to shoot him for trying to steal. Let us remember that stealing others' things is a crime, but killing a person is something much bigger than a crime: it is an abomination. Are there too many junkies? Resolve the drug problem with political maneuvers (have you done a good job with cigarettes why not with drugs?). Do you have a problem with racism? Solve that problem (you were born immigrants). The Europeans, unlike yours, have suffered many wars and many violence over the centuries. We have suffered invasions, genocide, destructions and we are increasingly armed until we have understood one thing: more guns did not help, there was a need for more communication and to solve problems among people. We know what the value of peace is among peoples and among nations. We know well what an entire country is armed: to violence. For decades, the US has continued to arm and arm their citizens by being ready for a war that they are not suffering but are causing.
Arming people makes the state useless, which should be the only appropriate authority to protect the lives of its citizens.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/america-s-gun-problem-explained-1060655345
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#United_States
http://theconversation.com/u-s-gun-violence-is-a-symptom-of-a-long-historical-problem-92322

In my area where there is only a tiny police presence and a great majority of households are armed, we see nearly no violent crime.  We have a ton of meth-heads and kids running around looking for targets of opportunity to steal from (e.g., people on vacation, at church, etc) but it's unusual to have a confrontational robbery and it's usually and accident on the part of the perp when it does happen.  The net impact of property crime in my area is that neighbors get to know one another and look out for one another.  That makes for a more enjoyable life generally in my experience.

In my area a vast majority of the creepy murders and what-not are tweaker-on-tweaker crime (not many ethnic minorities here.)  These people generally cannot legally own firearms but of course that doesn't stop them.  And they do one another in with a hammer half the time anyway.  The benefit of being an atheist rather than a Christian is that I don't have to feel bad when some semi-homeless addict gets high and bashes his friend's head in then stuffs his body in a dumpster around the corner.  And in truth it really doesn't bother me that much.

In contrast to the Bay Area where I lived off and on for a decade and a half, and which has very strict gun control laws making a criminal feel safe that he wasn't going to get his ass shot by the would-be victim, there were a lot more problems with confrontational crime.  Of course the population density was a lot higher so it's apples-n-oranges to a degree,  Whatever the case, I like life vastly better in the place where law abiding citizens can protect themselves without a lot of government interference.

the USA is among the most violent western states with the highest homicide rate. Why? because in the US they give you weapons (not just guns) even when you are ordering an hamburger.... no other state has so many shootings in schools, cinemas and other public places. You are obsessed with violence. In Europe there are no problems with guns because only police can have them. You may have the misfortune of finding a thief in your house or someone who wants to hurt you and you may be killed. But this is life and allowing anyone to have a weapon is not the solution. Otherwise the US should no longer have problems with theft and violence, and this is not true, right?

right to defend also gives you right to hurt someone unnecessarily like we have seen in the news especially in the case of schools in the US, background checks should be a norm, also there are approx 300 million guns in the states so auditing them is an impossible sort of task so background checks, weapon limit, types of weapon sold can be put into consideration while selling a new one. students should be sensitized from an early age about weapons if they are gonna grow up in that place.

You cannot simply hand a gun to the uneducated person. People who are using guns should know and learn how to handle a gun properly, he/she should also visit a psychologist to determine that he/she doesn't have an intention to use it for bad. Sadly, because of overuse, guns are easilu drawn at bullets are easily wasted for nothing. Government should be strict of handling guns to the public.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens do make us safer.
Gun free London has become one of the most violent and deadly cities in the world.

I believe that guns in our society guns are very important. My understand is that the founding fathers intended for us to be able to defend ourselves from and oppressive government. If for some reason the government decides that the people don't really need freedom then it is our obligation to throw them off and establish one that works to suit our needs and desires. All that being said, they are also pretty handy when some thug breaks into your house and tries to kill you and steal your stuff.

Actually, the right to bear arms is the same as the rest of property rights. Why? Because we have any rights to any property we want. And these rights are even upheld by the 9th Amendment:
This means that the people have all the rights that people have always had, and just because certain rights are listed in the Constitution (and Amendments) doesn't mean people don't have the rest of their rights. In other words, the 9th Amendment is stating that people have gun property rights twice:
1. 2nd Amendment - guns directly;
2. The rest of their rights have never been diminished by the Government (the Constitution [and the Amendments]) - all property rights.

Your right to firearms is not the same right you have to own property. When John Locke talks about the right to life, liberty, and property during the crafting of the United States constitution, property in a fire arm was not what he meant as an unalienable right. However, it was clear the right to bear arms was necessary, but trying to claim a gun isn't a gun and that gun control insists on government to take the property of its citizens is reaching at straws.

Definately the control of gun must be. People are so different, nobody can be reliable and adequate if it is not proven fact. When there is no control, even cool-blood tempered persons can lose their temper if there is extreme injustice faced or little and weak is abused then can be irreversible consiquences. The scenarious for reckless usage of gun are enermous which may not have happened if there were gun control.

Since the 2nd Amendment says, "... shall not be infringed," anyone who is deprived of owning and using a gun as he wishes, can take it before a jury trial: 6th or 7th Amendments. The jury through jury nullification can nullify either the right of the person in question, or the laws of the government as pertaining to that person.

I see your point. Not everyone can be qualified to own a gun right? I think background checks should be made. I heard that defense departments are now investing in eye can technologies and making it mandatory for biometrics. I think that's great because the technology is way more accurate than facial recognition and thumbprint scans, which can make checking for warrants or past records much quicker. What do you think about this kind of security check?

Not sure if you are being sarcastic and playing to my various demonstrated paranoia or not.  Whatever the case, I am currently of the opinion that certain of the dynamics you describe are 'a thing', but in somewhat more nuanced ways.  I would council to people of my basic mindset to keep their mouths shut more than I am willing to do, and keep their thoughts and plans to themselves more.  It's to late for me.

If there is anything to the suggestion about the 'parasitic classes', and again I believe that there is and that it is a strong hypothesis about the driving force behind such operations as dis-arming the general citizenry worldwide, then it's a ginger operation to bring the hammer down.  As Yuri Bezmenov says, 'when to boot crushes their balls _then_ they will understand, but not before.'  When everyone knows someone who knows someone who's been fucked over there will be an awakening and then a new phase of the games begin.  That's my prophesy.


In my current research of history, the 'red army' started out on the wrong side (under Trotsky (born 'Bronstein')) and were more of the problem than the solution throughout their existence.  Seems to me that NATO took over for them in their original role.

don't forget munition shuffling the only way to keep always a fresh supply ready, for when the enemies of the constitution and bill of rights will come, to take your beef, take your children to rape them, force vaccinate you, take your plants, take your money or what ever else they want you to not have.

those things are mercyless, reckless, weak but still allowed to prosper.

you know nothing is more dissuassive to those parasitic class of lawyers, judges and their political lackey than high velocity projectiles.

they said : we are gonna force vaccinate you and take your children away... we said nothing. because now it's war.

a problem with raw unpasterized milk you little slave ? excellent, once your body will have decompose the grass will be richer at this spot.

they don't respect our lives, they try to manipulate us, to enslave our minds, to rape our children, spoil our planet, abuse life while pretending to be the good moral guys? and of course they want to repeal the 2nd amendement to then erase the first and move to their united nation charter big one world of happy slave?

I love that... finally some wide scale wars...

as the russian red armies said, try to our weapons away... try... come, try...