Topic: Whattomine - profitability website with basic json. - page 55. (Read 94756 times)

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Rabbit explorer is stuck on block from 3am. Not sure whats wrong with USDE, but you are right - its not updating. Taking both coins off the list. Will resolve later when I have more time.

Edit: Fixed USDE. Not sure anyone will ever fix rabbitcoin explorer. If you would like to calculate rewards for it, please navigate to single page and input correct difficulty.

kindly check rabbitcoin and usde coin difficulties. Values seem different from correct ones.

Added some new coins. Burnercoin(BURN) (X13), Millionaire(MIL) (X11), Snakexcoin(SNCX) (X13), Rabbitcoin(RBBT) (Scrypt), Talkcoin(TAC) (NIST5)

http://www.whattomine.com/coins/90-burn-x13
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/91-mil-x11
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/92-sncx-x13
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/93-rbbt-scrypt
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/94-tac-nist5

Good to know that numbers are fine and Myriad block find percentage is ok too. Will look at cache later.

The Myriadcoin Qubit total 24 hour gross payout before 1% pool fee was 680 coins at an adjusted groestlcoin 10 MH/s hashrate equivalent (in this case, the Qubit hashrate was about 55% of the groestl 'benchmark'). The block find percentage over this time frame was 101.85%

On the side by side mirror machine for Myriad-Groestl over the same time period the gross payout was 670 at an adjusted groestlcoin 10 MH/s hashrate equivalent. The block find percentage over this time frame was 114.64%

Why would anyone mine Qubit? The energy consumption is only about 7% more than Groestl, but does that justify just a few more coins? The machine is worked quite a bit harder than what you would expect from only a 7% increase in power use however. Many people have commented that with Groestl you can play a game while mining, and my testing shows that's not possible with Qubit. So with a lot lighter load on the machine, and lower energy costs as well, Groestl looks to be the clear winner, yet again.

P2P pool mining is by far and away the big winner here. THIS IS THE FIRST P2P POOL I HAVE LIKED!!! 24 hour payouts are now averaging 890 coins (at an adjusted groestlcoin 10 MH/s hashrate equivalent).

So the no-brainer here is to set everything on the Myriad-Groestl P2P using the traditional pool as a failover. I'm going to keep things evenly divided for another few days testing before going all in though.


(I'm not even going to bother testing Skein as I've read that same machine, same config results yield little over half what Groestl produces, and my math based on simple division of theoretical coins paid out daily by the network hashrate bears that out - not worth the time.)


BTW, anyone notice that DGB is still averaging less than 200 blocks a day. In fact, less than 100 blocks in the last 24 hours. They're beginning to recognize the issue, but they're still trying to convince us that it's due to multipool attacks.

Really is by far the best profitability site out there. The volume filter is yet another great option (although it doesn't really benefit YAC at the moment ;P).

Any chance you could add CACHeCoin? It is currently at NFactor 13.

Block explorer: http://www.coincrawler.de/cach/

bitcointalk thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anncach-cachecoin-released-based-on-scrypt-jane-400389

Thanks so much fredeq.

Myriad-Groestl (MYR) Groestl 48 hour results

671 coin daily gross payout (before the 1% pool fee) per 10 MH/s (adjusted, real, groestl hashrate)

383 coin daily gross payout (before the 1% pool fee) per 17.5 MH/s (over reported hashrate)

It's not quite a 2x hashrate over reporting. I calculate that it is closer to 1.75, which is to say, there is a 75% over reporting of the equivalent groestl hashrate. Another way of looking at it is with a scrypt equivalent hashrate, which would be ~1,100 kH/s, or a ~3,300 kH/s X11 equivalent, or a ~500 kH/s scrypt-n giving you a .00229 BTC daily yield. The comparison coins I've mined with same machines/clones with exact same configurations are: GroestCoin, DiamondCoin, DarkCoin, VertCoin, ExeCoin, and DOGE (although DOGE is archive data since I haven't mined it for some time now).


The P2P pool took 36 hours to fully ramp up, so those results will be delayed once again.


And I've now got another “mirror” machine on Myriad-Qubit(MYR) Qubit.


Hope this information is useful.

@HR I will check your posts when I have some free time tomorrow. Finished major update today.

Added volume filtering. You can choose from 0.1; 0.5; 1; 5; 10; 50; and 100 thresholds. Have a nice weekend

24 hour results:

Actual gross payouts on http://myriadcoin-groestl.miningpoolhub.com before the 1% pool fee = 655 coins per 10 MH/s, just slightly under the What To Mine estimate. (My initial preliminary projections were off due to the inordinate amount of time for this PPLNS pool to ramp up.) Not bad. Just about .0025 BTC at current market prices.

The P2P results won't be ready until tomorrow since the payouts are STILL ramping up there (never met a P2P pool that I didn't hate, but let's give it a fair chance . . . at least there hasn't been missing payout periods . . . yet).

Then I'll have to give qubit a test drive . . .



BTW, looks like there are some serious types over on the MyriadCoin thread. Here's an example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483515.msg6976890;topicseen#msg6976890  But don't believe a low hashrate, low profitabilty coin when they try to tell you this is the problem behind their block discovery issue! (Remember, MYR block discovery is running clean and smooth, at almost 98%, lifetime, of projected. I point this out not to link it in any way to the DigiShield issue, but rather to call attention to the serious analysis going on over on that thread regarding another multipool/ASIC issue that should be of concern to all scrypt and SHA256D coins, and those that include those algos . . . for anyone who's technically inclined - not all is lost in this new information age! )

LTC results:


Actual block discovery is running at 93.5% of it's lifetime theoretical block discovery scheduling.

Last 90 days block discovery is running at 97.8% of theoretical.

Looks like the advent of ASIC has no impact at all on LTC.


Add: Is this typical? Someone who solicits help to research the LTC blockchain (in the technical support section of LiteCoinTalk.org no less) and gets no response from anyone? https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19758.msg171038#msg171038

And I thought we had left the dark ages behind long ago and that now we were in the "information age"!!!  

Yeah, the deeper I scratch below the surface, the more I find myself asking myself why nobody else has done this type of analysis and come across these issues, and/or asking myself if I'm crazy, or both.

However, it's most likely a case of those "in the know" using their information to their advantage, and the lemmings doing what they do best, being lemmings.

My goal is to sort out which coins are profitable, have decent prospects for long term adoption, and are honest (perhaps with the latter being the key variable for all the rest). That's not something I'll be getting done overnight though.  

Hopefully we'll find some like thinking folks willing to chip in.


I just took a quick look (about half an hour) at the EAC block discovery numbers, and, while only ~84% of expected blocks have been found lifetime, they're right on the nose over the last 90 days, and since that's basically the time frame we're interested in since the advent of ASIC, we can say that, in the case of EAC, there has been no slowdown in block discovery as ASIC mining has increased. http://earthchain.info/chain/EarthCoin

Got to look at more scrypt coins this weekend, and more coins using DigiShield (got to make up that list first . . .).

So its good when its wrong? Hilarious Coins these days never cease to amaze me.

Looks like it's waaaay over reporting for some weird reason, both server side and client side (using sgminer) - Myriad-Groestl (MYR) Groestl. Actual real-time payouts per 10 MH/s are more in line with what GroestlCoin (GRS) is paying out (around 250-260 coins per day). That's mining on http://myriadcoin-groestl.miningpoolhub.com . I'm now also mirroring on the P2Pool at http://eup2pool.cryptopools.com:3333/static/ . Will let them go for 24 hours and will report back then with those results.

@HR Tell me about it.
Last time I checked, every other calculator was still using the same hash rate for Groestl and Myr-groestl. In fact myr-groestl is giving you 2x hash on the same card.

Think I'm going to jump on Myriad for a while.

No block discovery issues on this one! http://myriad.theblockexplorer.com:2750

I promise to do more work analyzing other coins' real vs. scheduled block discovery performance when I have a chance. Truth is I'm completely bewildered that no-one else has taken the initiative, or even seems to care. On the other hand, with the likes of what I've seen in the few months I've been getting to know the crypto world, I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised.

Still though, I'm aghast to think that this is a zombie ridden, con-artist's playground.

Added 24h percentage change indicator for exchange rate.
Also rate link will now navigate you directly to trading pair.

Added Cryptcoin, Goalcoin and X13 coins:
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/86-cry-x11
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/87-goal-scrypt

http://www.whattomine.com/coins/85-bost-x13
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/84-maru-x13

Haven't had the time, nor does it look like I will . . . at least until the weekend. I was hoping to see someone else get interested in doing some analysis - we've got a good discussion now going on the DigiByte thread, so maybe someone will pick up the ball (I also posted a link to this thread since it might be more appropriate to do that kind of independent analysis here).


Thank you for that. I was blending and mixing things. Good to be clear about it.

Not good. Have you checked any non-digishield coin for similiar behaviour?

BTW profitability estimates work the same for both type of sites. Its just nethash estimate that varies. Just wanted to clear that out, cause you wrote:
'BTW, thanks for the quick explanation regarding profitability estimating using diff vs. wallet based calculations. Your logical assumptions seem very solid to me.'

Sounds more like the asic boys having fun 51%'ing stuff... 

Looks like the same thing is happening to:



GDN

60 blocks per hour * 24 hours * 40 days since release = 57,600 theoretical blocks

   Actual blocks found to date = 49,402 http://cryptotrends.info/GDN/


DOGE

Only 8735 blocks were actually found during the 7 day period from block 237640 found on 2014-05-27 10:50:50 to block 246375 found on 2014-06-03 10:50:58. https://dogechain.info/blocks

    A total of 10,080 should have been found.


NAUT

This one is easy to calculate, all the necessary data is here:  http://explorer.nautiluscoin.com

As of this writing:

36.3659 Age (days) * 60 * 24 = 52,366.896 blocks that should have been found by now.

   That's way off from the actual 20,100 figure.


These coins all use DigiShield. I saw on DigiByte's thread where appbox suggested that a lower hashrate could aggravate the issue, and DOGE's being relatively less affected could corraborate that. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7099456

Whether the issue is due solely to DigiShield or some sort of DigiShield incompatibility with ASIC remains to be seen (the advent of ASIC mining occurred right in the same time frame that the issue first appeared on DGB, and given that the progressive worsening of the issue over time is in line with the correlative rise in ASIC miners during that same time, this is a probable thesis that should not be ruled out).

It would be interesting to take this analsys to other coins using DigiShield, and, for obvious reasons, to scrypt coins NOT using DigiShield, and, eventually, to non-scrypt coins (there's always the possibility that this is DigiShield independent and completely due to ASIC miners).