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Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 24, 2023, 12:51:38 PM

Some gamblers, you know, they start pointing fingers and making accusations because they're just plain frustrated with their losses. It's like they want to put all the blame on the casino, even though, when you really look at it, it's not really the casino's fault.

Now, there are others who make accusations, but they've got some pretty solid facts to back them up, and they can actually prove what they're saying. Because let's be real here, not every casino out there is playing by the rules. In fact, I'd say most of them are out to take advantage of their position as the house.

So, IMO, it's just smart to do a little background check on the casino before you drop any cash there. That way, you're less likely to run into these kinds of problems.

Ther gambler should take responsibility to read all the terms,because the reading of terms before using such website was the most important one by the gambler.Because this help to prevent the hustle with the gambling site in the upcoming days.The rules after sharing to their beloved gamblers,only few websites follow it.The other will flexible to their own gamblers,because gambling site want to help their customers.So the gamblers will use their site for the longer period as compared to the other normal gamblers.

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Quote from: GigaBit on September 24, 2023, 01:29:03 PM

By not reading the terms and conditions, a gambler not only harms himself but also harms the site in many ways. The mistake is made first by the gambler who makes negative comments about a casino out of nothing. When the average gambler gets a negative comment about a gambling site, he can naturally assume a wrong idea without checking it. But many avoid the fact that the claims made by gamblers out there are not true. Because of this, some casino companies may be exposed to losses. But what a gambler should do is thoroughly check the terms and conditions before raising any complaints.

Not at all. Most users nowadays won't just bite on some reviews they are encountering on the web and won't believed right away.

Regarding that a user will throw complaints on that site, if that accusation is just mainly pure talk and statement without putting each and every details, that kind of accusation will just be buried and ignored. On the other hand, a site can just response to that in a good manner and show all the reasons that the user violates.

If one of the parties will have a solid statement with proofs, that's where the users will mostly side.

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I have to admit that I almost never read T&C. I know how casinos operate and I follow good reviews. I check for scam accusations against the casino and all that, but I only scan their rules, mainly points about VPN, countries that are banned and such.

It's true that before playing you should always carefully read T&C but most people probably don't read it, or don't understand it.

This is like a competition where the casinos thinks of ways to hide the most important parts behind walls of text and the players want to decipher it so they don't get scammed.

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By not reading the terms and conditions, a gambler not only harms himself but also harms the site in many ways. The mistake is made first by the gambler who makes negative comments about a casino out of nothing. When the average gambler gets a negative comment about a gambling site, he can naturally assume a wrong idea without checking it. But many avoid the fact that the claims made by gamblers out there are not true. Because of this, some casino companies may be exposed to losses. But what a gambler should do is thoroughly check the terms and conditions before raising any complaints.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

Some gamblers, you know, they start pointing fingers and making accusations because they're just plain frustrated with their losses. It's like they want to put all the blame on the casino, even though, when you really look at it, it's not really the casino's fault.

Now, there are others who make accusations, but they've got some pretty solid facts to back them up, and they can actually prove what they're saying. Because let's be real here, not every casino out there is playing by the rules. In fact, I'd say most of them are out to take advantage of their position as the house.

So, IMO, it's just smart to do a little background check on the casino before you drop any cash there. That way, you're less likely to run into these kinds of problems.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 24, 2023, 06:06:10 AM

Quote from: darkangel11 on September 24, 2023, 05:40:31 AM

Most people don't read any T&C, so you're in the majority. That's why they even made a South Park episode about it, when nobody read the one provided by Apple and there was a point that they're allowed to sew their mouth to someone else's anus Cheesy

It's important to mention that many people read it but fail to understand it. Many of the points are written in formal language with some special vocabulary and there's a large number of points and requirements. You have to really focus to really understand some of it. It's the same situation people face when reading court documents.

Reading Casinos T&C or any other T&Cis always tiring. They always look like and sound like legal Jargons. I try sometimes to read through but I give up on whatever is written there even before I get to the end of the documents. With my years of experience gambling, I just assumed they are the same thing which includes, KYC requirements, VIP club, gambling responsibly, deposit and withdrawal requirements, referral and bonuses etc.

Well, they might not be legal jargon but they are important statements for someone who is going to use their platform and the services they provide because they have almost everything specified in those statements including the problems and their reasons. They also explain why certain things are not allowed, why certain jurisdictions are restricted, why gamblers can't use VPNs, and why they need to comply with KYC and AML rules, etc.

So, some people might say that reading terms and conditions is not important because they are almost the same thing that we read everywhere and there is nothing unique which is not true because every platform might have different rules and regulations and there might be information that you as a user need to know before you get involved.

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Most often, I don't usually read the terms and conditions if it's too lengthy and takes a lot of time to read. I just usually scan the entire T&C but don't really read it with full of understanding. But I don't give any bad reviews with the service provider because in the first place, it's my responsibility to familiarize myself with the terms and conditions they imposed. Because you do not have the right to complain if you did not take the time to read the T&C.

So, you cannot accuse them of anything negative, if things are clearly stated and elaborated in the T&C. I think the best way to avoid such things, its either you read the entire terms and conditions or the service provider may try to make the T&C precise and straight to the point to entice people to read it without taking too much of their time. Because let's admit, reading heavy texts is really tiring.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

What other negative reviews do gamblers give to casinos when they fail to familiarize themselves with the T&C of the casino?

There is nothing other than freezing or blocking the user, in fact we have to understand that different casinos have different rules and requirements that must be completed by users, whether it's in games, withdrawals, deposits, other terms and conditions so that users are safe and do not violate the rules, you are right, that is what many users often ignore, sometimes there are quite a few of us here who think that casinos are all the same, but in fact they are not.

Sometimes we force ourselves to bet too much without thinking about the risks that could happen to us, by doubling the bet at the end of the bet, I often see this happen in sports betting, they double their million dollar bets in the last minute before the game ends, they feel confident that the team they bet on will win, in the end they don't get paid for that final bet, accusations started, it often happens to cheating and greedy users, they don't dare to place bets at the beginning with large amounts, they dare at the last minute, because the opportunity is there, ignore reading the existing rules, in the last 15 minutes of the match you are not allowed to place another bet, even though the bet is wide open, but it doesn't count.

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Don't forget there's a very stupid gambler who ask the casino to refund their deposit because all of they lose all of their money.

Such kind person can't become a gambler, investor, or trader because he can't accept any risk. If you think it's not possible to see such kind person, but AFAIK I've saw it before in this forum.

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Quote from: Stable090 on September 24, 2023, 04:52:50 AM

Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

What other negative reviews do gamblers give to casinos when they fail to familiarize themselves with the T&C of the casino?

Most people do accuse gambling sites of being scams, but they are the cause because they didn’t read the terms and conditions of the site before they registered. The T&C might just take them a few minutes to go through, but their laziness will end up costing them money, mostly because their accounts are being blocked because they went against their terms and conditions.

That is what most often happens to many people who are not careful in reading the terms and conditions of the casino. They miss an important part of the casino so when they want to withdraw their money, they face certain problems. And usually, gamblers start experiencing problems when withdrawing money.

Another negative review might be when they want to do KYC, which takes a very long time. Gamblers can't wait for the long verification process to complete so they will also accuse the casino of being a scam casino.

Some complain about how long the withdrawal and deposit process takes at a casino so they will also give negative reviews for the casino. So negative reviews from gamblers can reduce a casino's reputation.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 21, 2023, 05:35:43 PM

Though the majority of the cases usually is the gambler not really paying attention to the T&Cs, there are cases when the casino changes the terms instantly before they hand out some pretty gut-wrenching decision against a user. They'd enforce that newly-revised ToS no matter what, and get their money from the user. These accusations are not always unfounded because we have seen it happened before, though it's not too common of an occurrence because casinos that are left making the rounds in this forum are trying to protect their image.

I have also come across a user who reported that a casino changed the ToS without notifying customers in their email or other means of communication. The user was just fortunate to see the changes and he had to contact the casino and they confirmed his observation. The point is that some of these casinos are not trustworthy because their interest is to defraud unexpected clients. Yeah, this is why it is better to patronize or use only casinos in the forum since they are scared of receiving negative feedback from reputable forum members.

Quote from: retreat on September 22, 2023, 12:52:34 AM

We all know that most of us are too lazy to read the ToS on any platform. Even though the most basic thing is for a user to be able to read the ToS of the platform they use because it is very related to their gaming activities.
And what's more, the casino platform should also be able to create an FAQ section that is easily accessible to users, so that users can find out the important parts of the platform they are using.

We failed to study the ToS comprehensively because the ToS is just too long, and the FAQ might not contain terms the casino wants to hide. Another factor that makes us overlook the ToS is enticing bonuses. Some of us only consider what to gain without checking if the conditions suit us.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on September 24, 2023, 05:40:31 AM

Most people don't read any T&C, so you're in the majority. That's why they even made a South Park episode about it, when nobody read the one provided by Apple and there was a point that they're allowed to sew their mouth to someone else's anus Cheesy

It's important to mention that many people read it but fail to understand it. Many of the points are written in formal language with some special vocabulary and there's a large number of points and requirements. You have to really focus to really understand some of it. It's the same situation people face when reading court documents.

Reading Casinos T&C or any other T&Cis always tiring. They always look like and sound like legal Jargons. I try sometimes to read through but I give up on whatever is written there even before I get to the end of the documents. With my years of experience gambling, I just assumed they are the same thing which includes, KYC requirements, VIP club, gambling responsibly, deposit and withdrawal requirements, referral and bonuses etc.

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I am not supporting any side, because it's true that some people put all blames on casinos while they are the ones at fault, they don't take their time to read through gambling websites' Terms of Service, but some casinos intentionally use TOS to cheat their customers, they adjust rules in Tos without sending notifications to all all their customers, and they will wait patiently till you break that rules and you will be the one at fault.

Both sides are to be blamed in this case because casinos do cheat and customers do break the rules and blame the casino for it.

I don't like reading Tos myself too because its frustrating as times but I forced myself to because I don't want nonsense later on, I have found myself using screenshots to take pictures of their rules just in case they change them later without telling us.

Laziness can get you punished when using a gambling platform or even a crypto exchange platform for the first time, so I advise we get used to reading the rules of every online casinos before using the platform.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 21, 2023, 03:36:37 PM

And I will admit that I also don't read the Terms and Conditions of casino's that I played, until recently when they all have been asking for KYC. I was just lucky though that I don't have big money left in them.

But I agree that it is very important to read it in the beginning, not just about KYC, but also read the part on how their "provably fair" is. So that you can test it out if they are really doing it or not rigging the results of a game in their favor.

Most people don't read any T&C, so you're in the majority. That's why they even made a South Park episode about it, when nobody read the one provided by Apple and there was a point that they're allowed to sew their mouth to someone else's anus Cheesy

It's important to mention that many people read it but fail to understand it. Many of the points are written in formal language with some special vocabulary and there's a large number of points and requirements. You have to really focus to really understand some of it. It's the same situation people face when reading court documents.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

I have read a lot of gambling threads both here on the forum and in other forums. This makes me to draw the conclusion that most gamblers are either too lazy to read the Terms and Conditions (T&C,)or they don't just care about it.

Most people don’t even care to read the terms and conditions, they think they're really not useful, and they don’t have to waste their time reading them. We all should always go through the terms and conditions before joining any gambling site. Different people have accused different gambling sites of scams or having issues with withdrawal, but it’s their fault because they didn’t read the site's terms and conditions to know more about the gambling site and what they were against. Most people just register blindly without knowing the rules they are accepting.

Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

What other negative reviews do gamblers give to casinos when they fail to familiarize themselves with the T&C of the casino?

Most people do accuse gambling sites of being scams, but they are the cause because they didn’t read the terms and conditions of the site before they registered. The T&C might just take them a few minutes to go through, but their laziness will end up costing them money, mostly because their accounts are being blocked because they went against their terms and conditions.

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Nothing new people are too lazy to read a lot of text; if the terms and conditions can be a video, I guess it has a higher chance people will check it out than reading a lot of text. Its 2023 people have a short span only to catch their attention or else they are really urged to know the things before they make a deposit to the casino. They just realize afterward only if they have an issue face in like the case given by OP.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

I have read a lot of gambling threads both here on the forum and in other forums. This makes me to draw the conclusion that most gamblers are either too lazy to read the Terms and Conditions (T&C,)or they don't just care about it. The results of which leads to misunderstandings and frustrations, often resulting in negative reviews and complaints that may not accurately represent the casino's practices.

It might be better for casino to begin rebuild their site and put that Terms and Conditions on top page. because we've seen it all this time the casino put their rule on bottom page, and sometime located in a close place which is invisible to the gambler eye. I don't know why, maybe the developer casino still create the unclear rule so the gambler may not have to read it, so if that something happens, the casino will take blame the gambler. With this situation, we can't just blame the gambler on one side, maybe the fault is also on the casino's side.

Well, the terms and conditions should remain at the bottom of the page of the casino, as gamblers are only required to read it once and it is not something that needs to be accessed every time the gambler visits the site. In case there is any change in the terms and conditions of the gambling casino, that should be displayed on top of the page or can be shown as an alert in the form of a pop-up message.

Gamblers themselves need to take the responsibility to read the terms and conditions themselves, rather than expecting from the gambling
sites to post those terms right on the top/middle of the page.

Most of the terms and condition too prompt before the account registration or on entry completed account so the user are aware on it and also the casino gives a reminder with their platform in case there's some issue happen the casino is not negligible to the problem.

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Quote from: Reatim on September 22, 2023, 11:54:19 PM

even how eager and active we are to bust them yet scam casino stays victimizing people and we have seen that in other sites that has continues case from taking their money.

It is the people's fault who continue to use shady casinos for gambling. Even though they already know that we always warn them not to gamble in shady casinos, they don't pay attention. By experiencing this problem, they can only complain without being able to get the money they have lost.

Quote from: Reatim on September 22, 2023, 11:54:19 PM

they will never be bankrupt just because people avoiding , as there are so many target victim to fool.

That's right, shady casinos will get victims from the promotions carried out by their casinos. These people don't look for more information about the casino so they become the next victims of shady casinos.

Quote from: Reatim on September 22, 2023, 11:54:19 PM

it is not about the rules mate, but about the intention of each casino , because scammers will always be scammers no matter how you follow their Said rules.

From the regulations in each casino, it might be possible to give a sign that the casino clearly states what is permitted and prohibited so that users can understand it. But when the users follow the rules, it will be seen that shady casinos will not serve them well and instead cheat their users.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

I have read a lot of gambling threads both here on the forum and in other forums. This makes me to draw the conclusion that most gamblers are either too lazy to read the Terms and Conditions (T&C,)or they don't just care about it. The results of which leads to misunderstandings and frustrations, often resulting in negative reviews and complaints that may not accurately represent the casino's practices.

It might be better for casino to begin rebuild their site and put that Terms and Conditions on top page. because we've seen it all this time the casino put their rule on bottom page, and sometime located in a close place which is invisible to the gambler eye. I don't know why, maybe the developer casino still create the unclear rule so the gambler may not have to read it, so if that something happens, the casino will take blame the gambler. With this situation, we can't just blame the gambler on one side, maybe the fault is also on the casino's side.

Well, the terms and conditions should remain at the bottom of the page of the casino, as gamblers are only required to read it once and it is not something that needs to be accessed every time the gambler visits the site. In case there is any change in the terms and conditions of the gambling casino, that should be displayed on top of the page or can be shown as an alert in the form of a pop-up message.

Gamblers themselves need to take the responsibility to read the terms and conditions themselves, rather than expecting from the gambling
sites to post those terms right on the top/middle of the page.

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we cannot deny that some gambling site are worth being busted and questioned because they are guilty of some accusations but there are some also that legit and just being attacked of because of those cheaters that cannot get what they wanted , and those who violating their site .. and also those who are not reading Terms of Service and when being questioned , they will file sudden action that makes the site in wrong acting while the truth is ? they did violate some terms.

If it is a shady casino, it really needs to be busted completely so that the casino deceives no more people and can avoid the casino.

even how eager and active we are to bust them yet scam casino stays victimizing people and we have seen that in other sites that has continues case from taking their money.

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Only in this way can the casino be empty of visitors, and the casino will suffer losses in the end. But it seems that even if the casino loses money and goes bankrupt, other shady casinos will pop up to try to get new targets so they can take the money.

they will never be bankrupt just because people avoiding , as there are so many target victim to fool.

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But if gamblers are observant and willing to read the rules in each casino, they will not be trapped in dirty casino games and can stay away from them. But for trusted casinos they will not do things that could harm their customers because it will be related to the reputation they have built over the years. That is why trusted casinos maintain their reputation well so that more people will come to the casino and gamble there.

it is not about the rules mate, but about the intention of each casino , because scammers will always be scammers no matter how you follow their Said rules.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 21, 2023, 03:05:52 PM

I have read a lot of gambling threads both here on the forum and in other forums. This makes me to draw the conclusion that most gamblers are either too lazy to read the Terms and Conditions (T&C,)or they don't just care about it. The results of which leads to misunderstandings and frustrations, often resulting in negative reviews and complaints that may not accurately represent the casino's practices. It is too bad. I have noticed that when gamblers don't read the T&S of a casino, they :

When we get to a new environment, the first thing we are supposed to do is observe that community and how they live their lives, so that if we are going to be able to cope, we will also join them. The same thing as gambling with this thing you brought up, seriously, some users are very lazy when it comes to reading the terms and conditions of any gambling site they got registered with, which is not a good idea to be. I’ve seen some threads in this forum accusing some gambling sites of running with their money, and I believe the problem is with the user, not the site, because if they really read the terms and conditions, they will always know the solution to their problem.

Quote from: coin-investor on September 22, 2023, 01:45:47 PM

All these accusations you've mentioned cannot stand and win when a casino accuses you of violating their terms they are serious about it and most of the time they will not explain further so your best defense always is to get fully acquainted on their terms and it's not only on terms if you want to be a safe play on reputable casinos.
These two are your best bet to be safe, get fully acquainted with the terms, and play on reputable casinos.

I agree with you, mate. Getting to understand their terms and conditions will be the one that will prevent the user of the casino from having problems with the site he or she is going to use to gamble because that is what will guide the user while operating on the site, and for sure, the user won’t have anything that will boader him or her when using the site because you already know everything about them, so anything they offer you won’t be strange to you, and you will be able to cope with it without complaining to anyone.

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