Topic: When will Religions die? - page 17. (Read 20308 times)

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It has NOTHING to do with the thread topic... I've already warned you several times to stop derailing this thread with your personal vendetta... I'm going to report your bullshit to the mods

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You cherry pick "secular" countries... you literally left all the most secular ones off your list... Where is Sweden, Norway, Japan, Switzerland, etc, etc, etc?

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Religion will never die just because alternative though like secularism has become popular nowadays. Religion still in place as long as religion institution keep continue to serve people. And new generation will come to strong religion institution.

Having more children doesn't mean shit if those children become Atheists, now does it?

If Christians are out-breeding Atheists as you claim, why is there a HUGE rise in Atheism lately?  Can you explain?

Your propaganda is so easily debunked a child could do it... hell, national geographic debunked your nonsense:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/

Time already tells,

we have reached high mark of secularization and witness tide turning back.

Kaufmann addressed all those points of National Geographic article and more  

"As Arthur Brooks of Syracuse University recently wrote in the Wall Street Journal, “if you picked 100 unrelated politically liberal adults at random, you would find that they had, between them, 147 children. If you picked 100 conservatives, you would find 208 kids. That’s a ‘fertility gap’ of 41 per cent. Given that about 80 per cent of people with an identifiable party preference grow up to vote the same way as their parents, this gap translates into lots more little Republicans than little Democrats to vote in future elections."

Yes, from secular point of view you can argue, that non-believers can through apostacy of believers postpone their demographic demise by cannibalizing existing denominations. As has happened in eastern Europe during communism. But you wont solve fundamental problem of self replacement through fertility and you also lack any sort of fail safe (if we discount state terror) to stop returning individuals to their respective faiths.

I am that I am. I chose.

My return to God from nihilistic positions, that engulfed the West like a cancer took several years, Stats. And it has to some degree purely rational basis. I witnessed time and time again "scientists", who tried to understand desert by counting every single stone in it. It was not problem of the methodology, but of their choices, of their resignation on any non-materialistic argument. Without faith in what you do, all your work loses purpose besides feeding you. Degrading you in process from human being created in His image to something more akin to beast with large cranial capacity.

Faith forms culture, culture forms civilization. Civilization gives a Man purpose. When the faith dies, so does the culture and when culture is replaced civilization ends. Then men start to die. - Patrick Buchanan

Even atheist or rather agnostic greatly benefits from moral compass of religion and faith, as it provides for social stability, hope and drive. Giving entire culture what could be described as "soul". Marxists like Fromm and Freud understood this, as did scientists like Darwin and Newton.

I come from the most agnostic, godless place on planet, Stats. And I have witnessed how the place, without faith that formed its culture for the past millenia, slowly turned to Animals farm. Youngest being the hardest hit. Every generation in western Europe is now by full third (!) smaller than the previous one despite peace and welfare and health care. As I saw with my compatriots at foreign owned factories, women sell themselves to highest bidder, while men spend all their income on gambling and paying back high interest loans. Sounds almost like Bitcointalk, right? They dont do it for any purpose, but to feed themselves.

From industrial heart of Europe, into place full of aging, fearful corporate slaves, that wait for highest bidder. Fukuyama was indeed right, his "Last men" cannot be fought on battlefield by "barbarians". However, these "Last men" that I turned my back to also fail to do most most basic of things, that Darwin demands of victors in evolutionary race. Offspring. Because they have only interests, not beliefs. As did Greco-Romans before their demise.

Thats one of the points, why I personally chose to become "born again". I have grown up among secular liberals, saw their fashionable cults masquerading pointless materialism. And saw it for what it is. Nails to the coffin of our culture. I would hate the sight of my children as the "Last men".

If secular liberalism has any future, than why its adherents arent even able to replenish their own numbers? I already mentioned, that sir Darwin was anglican, yes? Well, atheists love to turn to him as a reference aswell. Will you? For a materialistic proof, friend.



Stats, you can look at the following as a list of developed, secular countries. Or as a graveyeard of their respective cultures and tribes. It is your choice. Guess, where is my homeland on the list? The very existence of these facts disprove that you can build anything that survives you on reason alone. It is against human nature. And therefore "science" aswell.

We've had this argument before... I presented the fact that atheists are less likely to be criminals than christians... you rejected the evidence in lieu of your preconceived notion that christians must be better people than atheists... because... well, no because... you didn't present an actual reason or evidence... just a claim that the Federal Bureau of Prisons must be wrong, and you are right... then proceed to unload 5+ more lies/propaganda for me to debunk... not gonna do it... wasting your/my time

We had this argument at least twice now... stop lying

I present evidence, you reject it and make false claims without backing anything up with a source, link, scientific study... it's just nonsense... I don't have time for your bullshit... I really don't... I'm done responding to your stupid nonsense

If you want an argument... present a case, link sources, and maybe I'll read it (you have been on ignore for 2 years, occasionally i click hide/show post to see what you're blathering about)

Stop trolling, stop derailing this thread

Research has demonstrated that concentrated disadvantage and other measures are strongly associated with aggregate-level rates of violence, including across racial and ethnic groups. Less studied is the impact of cultural factors, including religious contextual measures... Results suggest that (1) religious contextual measures have significant crime-reducing associations with violence, (2) these associations are race/ethnic-specific, and (3) religious contextual measures moderate the criminogenic association between disadvantage and violence for Blacks.

The authors explored the relationship between religious involvement and intimate partner violence... They found that: (a) religious involvement is correlated with reduced levels of domestic violence... this protective effect is stronger for African American men and women and for Hispanic men, groups that, for a variety of reasons, experience elevated risk for this type of violence.

Results: Findings indicated that (1) parental alcohol history robustly predicted increased offspring alcohol-dependence symptoms, (2) religious rearing appeared protective (offspring exhibited fewer alcohol-dependence symptoms), (3) religious differentiation accounted for most of the protective effect, (4) other religious variables did not account for the differentiation effect, and (5) black religious adolescents were more frequently raised with differentiating affiliations and exhibited greater protective effects.

Before you write the epitaph of religion you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the demographics heavily favor the religious.

(lies)

Religion is dying

Bullshit!
Don't project your lying behavior onto me AFTER I JUST called you out for it!
If I have ever lied or made a false claim, quote it now
I only ever speak the truth

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Atheists, by far, are better people than christians
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Christians make up 80%+ of the prison population in America... atheists 0.2%
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Christian priests, the leaders of the religion... are a bunch of homosexual child rapists
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I've argued all these points in your other thread already... I have no more time to waste on you
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Religion will never die just because alternative though like secularism has become popular nowadays. Religion still in place as long as religion institution keep continue to serve people. And new generation will come to strong religion institution.

We all are... right now... by speaking out against it

For too long good people have remained silent while religions murdered and plundered the planet...

No more!

Religions made a lot of damage to human beings and our world in general. I'm not talking only about Islam, but every kind of religion, more or less, caused lots of problems.

I'm sure they will end. They won't last forever. But how will they end?

Which could the scenario that leads to their disappearance?

...you choose to lie, to obfuscate and to make false claims...

This is kinda true, the number atheists specially in my country is getting bigger but i don't think because of this, religion will die, and we know that some religions are supported by the government ( or maybe some politicians).