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Quote from: jackg on April 07, 2019, 08:02:36 AM

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes yes yes ofcourse someone loses his trade when you win a trade. This is how market works. But not always do they lose in terms of money sometimes they lose in terms of opportunity too but yes this is law of market positive and negative balance each other. What is more shocking is that 90% of small traders lose up and only 10% win to balance off the market this means wealth of 90% is transferred to the remaining 10%. This is why newbies are advised not to enter the market without proper risk management strategy

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 22, 2019, 06:12:43 AM

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners". Cool

exactly what I tell people who put this to me. Sure, if you're in a segment of the traditional market, some loses for you to win. But in the case of Bitcoin, it is in direct competition to the traditional convention and system of money. We all win, not at each other's cost, but to eventually displace the old, corrupt, rotten system.

It is a losing system already, that isn't even in question. The only thing left to ask isn't if it can survive but when it will implode. And when it does, what can displace it?

We are all hoping Bitcoin is at least part of that future.

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Quote from: alisafidel58 on April 22, 2019, 05:42:21 AM

Of course, there will be losers and gainers. Whenever you win some somebody has to lose some too. When a coin price that is sold at a lower price then suddenly in just an hour the coin gain momentum and gains a large price that's a loss for the seller.

I am in the same boat. As others, I am impressed by the fact that once again the reversal appears to have been stopped almost immediately.

On the other hand, the price has clearly failed to make higher highs, and major alts including LTC continue their correction. Is Bitcoin simply the more inert mass and slower to respond, or is money flowing from LTC (other alts) into BTC? Who is in denial, those who see this rally reach further highs or those who have been claiming a reversal is imminent?

I have no clue what is going on, but I do feel that if and when sellers/shorters regain some confidence at long last, the slump could be painful. "If you panic (at 5200ish/Bitstamp?), panic first"?

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 22, 2019, 06:12:43 AM

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners". Cool

This indirectly states that those who sells are the loser Grin

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I think it is on the point of view of a person, in trading both person can win, for example I am selling Bitcoin higher than the market value, and this person wanted to buy Bitcoin so Badly but he cannot buy in an exchange. In this case, I win when I sold my BTC to that guy since I got profit, and the guy win since he is able to buy Bitcoin that he had wanted for so long.

But in an actual trading market, those who did not do their assignment often become the loser and taken advantage but those who dedicate their resources in researching and updating themselves (the winner).

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Quote from: jackg on April 07, 2019, 08:02:36 AM

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking?

when you (seller) make profit, the other guy (buyer) doesn't always at loss
but this condition is only true if the fresh buyer puts fresh money adding up to capitalization
however that buyer will incur loss if he later sells at a lower price

in an uptrend price (bullish market) there will be more winners, higher cap ~ money inflow
but in a downtrend price (bearish market) there will be much more losers, lower cap ~ money outflow

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners". Cool

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Of course, there will be losers and gainers. Whenever you win some somebody has to lose some too. When a coin price that is sold at a lower price then suddenly in just an hour the coin gain momentum and gains a large price that's a loss for the seller.

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I dont think so.
They were all orders so someone really want to sell or buy at that price they input.
If it is at risk then it wont matter as long as they know what they are doing.

Now, some of your orders can end up the same thing as them. It could be regret at the end if the price suddenly pumps or it could be a loss for buying at a higher price then it suddenly dumps.

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Quote from: jackg on April 07, 2019, 08:02:36 AM

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

That's how trading works. Anyone who is willing to invest money should be well aware of the risks that come with it.

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losing and winning is always a part of trading we just be more practical on how our money/funds and limiting our stake lose. Always set a limit and be more practical.

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Quote from: Dart18 on April 22, 2019, 01:13:19 AM

Actually I have asked this same thing but in another users thread.

It depends.
If you are buying or selling at his order then that means he may have already made a profit out of it.
Or he could be expecting more that is why he is buying at a recent price.

Same thing about regretting when you sell early then the price goes up. The buyer now is the winner whom could sell at a larger price and it goes on.

I think it is about on how we acknowledge the current situation based on the strategy we created by our own deliberation. If we invest more coins while the market is on bear trend, then we can say that thrive is on our way, just keep optimism for a great bull will occur by the near future. And those who are not invested, then it is their big loses.

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Actually I have asked this same thing but in another users thread.

It depends.
If you are buying or selling at his order then that means he may have already made a profit out of it.
Or he could be expecting more that is why he is buying at a recent price.

Same thing about regretting when you sell early then the price goes up. The buyer now is the winner whom could sell at a larger price and it goes on.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on April 21, 2019, 12:56:27 PM

Quote from: jackg on April 07, 2019, 08:02:36 AM

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

As far as I know that is how trading works, that's why people need to be very careful on a trade that they're going to make because any amount that they'll buy will be a profit for someone else. For example, certain coin gains over 30% to its price and some people gets FOMO and bought at higher price that could be a profit for those who placed a sell order at that price and those who got FOMO loss because the price didn't go higher anymore. It's just like, in order for you to gain profit there should be someone else to lose.

The FOMO will completely give opportunity for smart traders to make money.
Some would certainly loss as the price will be overvalued and the moment it will correct, panic selling will happen.
The pump and dump game is fun if you like fast profit, it's high risk but it could give better reward if you are in the right side.

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Quote from: jackg on April 07, 2019, 08:02:36 AM

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

As far as I know that is how trading works, that's why people need to be very careful on a trade that they're going to make because any amount that they'll buy will be a profit for someone else. For example, certain coin gains over 30% to its price and some people gets FOMO and bought at higher price that could be a profit for those who placed a sell order at that price and those who got FOMO loss because the price didn't go higher anymore. It's just like, in order for you to gain profit there should be someone else to lose.

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Quote from: iqlimasyadiqa on April 18, 2019, 05:19:48 PM

Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.

It's pretty normal because it's a game of prediction, and you cannot make good prediction all the time.
You make bad prediction you loss but you strive to make it right the next time, it's about improving your strategy until you make a good one that gives profit. Every trader has different effort put in their work, some just smart enough, so we will never have the same results.

Results would really be never the same anytime and this market is like a battlefield of traders where they do need to make profits on selling or buying their coins.
If someone gains then someone do losses and this is how the market works.It would continue as long there are sellers and buyers.The thing here is that you do know
how to survive into this market,if not then you'll end up on the floor.

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Quote from: anggi on April 19, 2019, 02:07:45 AM

in the world of trading, it depends on someone. when they seek profits from a price, they may get a loss. but, when he uses it for his sake. it all depends on one's purpose. it can be an advantage, and loss depends on the purpose of the user.

Yes, in any trading business there is not always you will be in winning /head side where you will earn profit always there were times will come you have to bear the loss in trading, similarly in crypto market crisis will come and you will be in loss but don't give up wait for your turn and focus more towards buy/sell best practices in the crypto market.

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Quote from: iqlimasyadiqa on April 18, 2019, 05:19:48 PM

Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.

It's pretty normal because it's a game of prediction, and you cannot make good prediction all the time.
You make bad prediction you loss but you strive to make it right the next time, it's about improving your strategy until you make a good one that gives profit. Every trader has different effort put in their work, some just smart enough, so we will never have the same results.

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in the world of trading, it depends on someone. when they seek profits from a price, they may get a loss. but, when he uses it for his sake. it all depends on one's purpose. it can be an advantage, and loss depends on the purpose of the user.

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..yeah of course..that's how it really works..for every gain you make..there is always someone who loses from your win..there comes a successful traders who wins and gain profit in every good decision it makes..but there is also a trader who losses much in a wrong decision he make,,much worst scenario is that he sells all his assets in order to gain and recover from his lost not knowing that he would end up to nothing..how sad is the life of a trader : Angry

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Quote from: jackg on April 07, 2019, 08:02:36 AM

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Everyone will have a different opportunity. there will be those who win and some will lose. things like this are things that must be accepted by every trader. when they make a successful decision it will make a profit and when a trader makes a wrong decision then it will make a loss of assets he has.

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Quote from: Bagaji on April 18, 2019, 02:00:50 PM

Quote from: jackg on April 07, 2019, 08:02:36 AM

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Not necessarily that someone must loose because you made profit from your trading. They will only lose if and only if they sell their holding below the market value they bought the coins in question.

But knowing those stuffs behind wont really be possible for those people who have sell their holding either they do already profit out or just simply panic selling
but well this cycle is just a normal or casual stuff with trading market.If you do gain then someone's gonna loss maybe not on the same person but as a general.

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