Topic: When you win does someone else have to lose. - page 3. (Read 831 times)

So much pussy footing in here.
Yes, your wins are at someone else's expense. Easiest case, if you buy the lowest point of a bear market, someone sold those coins to you and is missing out on the profits from the subsequent rise (Losing). That means, whether they were in profit or not when they sold, they still missed out on further wins. Now, if you sell the absolute top before the bear comes back, obviously he who bought your coins loses.
All this talk about "if you wait long enough..." No! Not how this works at all. I don't care who you sold to, even at the top, even if they wait for profit on the next rise, PLENTY have lost to pay for your win. Trading is zero sum, period. Just the way it is. It do dat.

Lets do a little thought experiment.

Player A, player B and player C all buy in at $1 with $100 of capital. Price rises to $10 where player A sells to new player D for $1000. Price keeps rising to $15. Now the score is A=$1000, B=$1500, C=$1500 and D=$1500. Player A's missed profits of $500 went to player D and player D's initial investment of $1000 is where the profits for B and C come from. $1500 in profit total since $10 price.
Should player A buy back in at $15, he now has 50% less coins and 33% less value had he not sold early. So lets say players B and C each sold 30 and 20 coins respectively to player A and then the price tanks to $7.50. The new score is Player A=$375 or 50 coins, B=$525 or 70 coins (AND $450 cash), C=$600 or 80 coins (AND $300 cash) and D=$750 or 100 coins. losses for this round are A=-$625, B=-$525, C=-$600, D=-$750, and new total valuation is A=$375, B=$975, C=$900, D=$750.

Now think of the situation where Bitcoin is found to have a fatal flaw. The first few people get out with something, the rest are left holding a bag of useless 1's and 0's as the fiat evaporates from the market. <-This is also why "Market cap" is the absolute worst thing to derive the value of Bitcoin. There is no way everyone would ever get out for anything above $1.00. All the bid depths combined would only allow one or two large holders to exit fully.

Not necessarily that someone must loose because you made profit from your trading. They will only lose if and only if they sell their holding below the market value they bought the coins in question.

If you are shorting the market, then you are definitely gaining profits from a failing market. You are definitely gaining from somebody's losses.

If you are only making market or limit trades, you cannot tell. Maybe they are selling at that spot because they are already in profit or buying to make more.

Its normal for a beginner to experience loosing but others that are not a beginner anymore do still experience to loose because its really hard to do trades or investing on the crypto market due to the fact that cryptos are too unstable and verry unpredictable  .

 if you buy and you loose , dont worry mate because someone else is earning and benefiting from your loss  .  this was the good side of crypto because you arent working here for your self . we are not selfish here in crypto . not unlike to other business that the owner is the only one that are earning a profit  .

Don't lose hope even if you been losing many times, situations always change depending on your outlook. Have more positive virtues in life and make those failures in life as your strength despite of all worst experiences.
If you're going to survive on that, that's for sure the future will bring more luck on you depending on your hard work

when you (seller) make profit, the other guy (buyer) doesn't always at loss
but this condition is only true if the fresh buyer puts fresh money adding up to capitalization
however that buyer will incur loss if he later sells at a lower price

in an uptrend price (bullish market) there will be more winners, higher cap ~ money inflow
but in a downtrend price (bearish market) there will be much more losers, lower cap ~ money outflow

Not necessarily.
Theoretically when you trade and you sell for example, someone else buys your coins in the price that you trade and you consider that this price is a high one (because you are selling).
But actually you don't know which is the price that the other trader has sold/bought so maybe a trade may be a win-win.

You know in my experience I lose many times in trading and it is okay for me because it not always lost. There will be a time that we can still win and make a profit. Lossing is normal especially when you are a beginner.

Trading is money circulation, so if you are selling someone else are buying. If you are buying someone else are selling. So money is circulating around us. and obviously you are getting profit means some will loss. For example you bought a coin for $1 and you sold $1.5, so $0.5 came from where? That means someone bought this and he might sell $2, and it will be continues and eventually someone will on loss if drop price. But it doesn't mean a single peoples loss whatever your profit. Because someone selling 1% loss or something else. So money is circulating and dividing as well. 

The reality is that but it depends on your opponents or "other traders" whether he will grow BTC or ALT in other industries for example gambling or investing towards another ALT, simple reason if there is a profit there must be someone who loses.

It all depends on your definition of 'lose" ...

If I bought BTC @ $1,000, and sold it to you at $5,000  and then you go on to hold and sell later at $10,000 ... Did I win or lose?

If you consider that I made a profit of $4,000 .. then I won big time...

If you consider that I could have made a $9k profit instead of just $4k, then I lost....

along those lines.. if you sell for $10k, and then the buyer later sells for $20k ... did you win? or did you lose ?

Yes, there is. It could be a whale or a huge investors or just an average guy who bought or sell on the wrong asset. Investments from us or other people is what makes the trading alive. We cannot pull anything huge enough if it's only us in the market so it has to have many members locally or globaly.

If we want to gain something profitable then selling an asset could be a good preference. That time when you win on your good trades, it's also an opportunity for other traders to hold that coins they've bought from us. Nothing to lose at all even though price dumped when panic selling happened. There's another probability that those coins will be tripled of its current price when another bull run strikes.

This is a simple question. When you win there must be a failure. If you get a profit then there are also other people who suffer losses. Everything can happen, not always someone will gain profit and not always that someone will achieve a loss. All depends on yourself, when we have the ability, we have a much better chance to achieve more positive results than someone who does not have the ability. Everything will be different and the one who will determine is yourself.

You were right all along. TRADERS are either tend to lose or win. And you aren't overthinking. Hence, whenever we trade their are some circumstances that you won and take some profits before you are more knowledgeable and made some technical analysis while the other traders who lose were had also a reason why they lose. That is a real reason why.

Yes of course, that is how life has always been, money don't gall from the sky you know, someone have to lose it for another person to gain it and there are different ways of losing it, one of the ways is payment for value, when you pay someone physical cash to carry out a job for you, you lose the money to that person.

Another way is through gambling or trading, in this life one person have to lose for another to gain, it is the way the world system have been programmed and can't be changed.

It's not their fault as long as they aren't selling their coins. People need to differentiate actual losses from paper losses. If you bought earlier this year, you are up right now, regardless if someone cashed out profits, and as long as the price keeps going up, that's the case.

2017's bull run made almost everyone win, regardless of people flat out gambling or investing based on fundamentals. That's the power of a bull run, and these mass profits attract even more capital because people love to buy something that has gone up a lot already.

Bitcoin is up ~35% this year, which is quite a solid achievement considering that we're technically still in a bear market. If you lost money with Bitcoin this year, then you have to look in the mirror and rethink why you are here in the first place.

Not at all mate, losing and winning will happen always. It doesn't mean that we lose today and we think that we will win by tomorrow.
I do believe that when someone win and someone will lose also, it just like of having a positive and negative effect of a certain thing. We never argue this since we  are not having controlled with and we should accept of what it happens.

Of course yes if we win someone will lose its affiliates and never be change. And it's alright to lose because there's so many chance to win it doesn't mean you lose that is the end, sometimes losing make you more strong so next time you can make a chance to win just need some strategy.

If we make profit someone are suffering not because you do trade but because of their own fault. We all want to make money and we will do our best to outsmart other traders, and its you job to do so. Don't feel guilty about this one, traders must focus on his personal goal and target EMOTION should not be the hindrance for you not to do better. If we win, then we are better than any trader. Newbies are the one who losses money.