Topic: When you win does someone else have to lose. - page 4. (Read 831 times)
Financial markets are very complicated, and examples such as the one given by the author are not always appropriate for understanding them. It does not always happen that someone loses money by sight while you earn it. If the trend of the market is bullish, then everyone earns, only some earn more slowly and others earn faster.
The counter party that you are trading with doesn't necessarily have to lose.
For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.
Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.
In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.
For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.
Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.
In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.
Basically its what I mentioned a few days ago with the people selling and buying stocks on their retirement accounts. With inflation stocks in general always go up, especially in a yearly or decade type of scale. So each investor can come out ahead and everybody can make money.
However you need to realise that eventually "someone" will buy the top and be the loser in that trade. So either someone invests their retirement funds in a company that goes bankrupt or someone that bought BTC at $20K from someone who bought from someone at $1K who originally just mined the coins on his laptop.
Eventually all type of trading is zero sum one way or another.
Someone has to, otherwise trading would give free money to traders.
There are different type of traders in the market, there are traders who are good because they can predict the price well and they
make money on that, while there are traders who are not good and they are not profitable.
So, if we compare the two, one is making money, while the other one is not.
There are different type of traders in the market, there are traders who are good because they can predict the price well and they
make money on that, while there are traders who are not good and they are not profitable.
So, if we compare the two, one is making money, while the other one is not.
The counter party that you are trading with doesn't necessarily have to lose.
For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.
Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.
In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.
For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.
Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.
In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.
That's how the market works. There are no markets that always benefiting everyone wherein no one makes loss. We shouldn't be bother about that since those who are unfortunate for that period could be able to sooner or later. Those who make losses can use their mistakes as a lesson; however some just give up since they aren't capable to put money at stake in order to earn and learn.
Not all of us where crypto is place to be, if we never have that huge understanding, easily get bored and of being impatient individual will surely leave crypto. This is a place where we learn to accept losses and to be patient, but the good thing in crypto is that, it teaches us on how to decide and to be strong when a certain thing happen just like of market crisis.
That's how the market works. There are no markets that always benefiting everyone wherein no one makes loss. We shouldn't be bother about that since those who are unfortunate for that period could be able to sooner or later. Those who make losses can use their mistakes as a lesson; however some just give up since they aren't capable to put money at stake in order to earn and learn.
The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.
And thats the reality.If we earn then someone losses thats why we are here on this market competing against other traders for the sake of profits.There would always be a loser and winners side and its part of the reality that should really be accepted because if you do think up on how these things works then it will just give out headache and stress.No need no bother yourself about those someone who lose money because they wont mind you if you lose too. The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.
Its a balance, it also apply to our real life, it sometime we are happy and sometime we feel mad. We feel great that we are winning today but we don't know that someone out there feel so sad cause they loss something. In this matter, we should think ourself that we shouldn't feel confident for everything we have now to stay for us forever cause there is a time that it will be running out from our hands.
The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.
Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
That is how many of us think and I do disagree with such views. When you makes profits from your investments no one is losing except in speculative or margin trading. But what most of us know as trading here when you makes profits from your investments the person that buy from you only will lose if he sell below his purchasing pricing. For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Looks pretty similar to gambling, exchange site are just like sportsbook, they both get commission from people.
This could be true that one has to loss money in order for the others to make money, we are playing in the market, and we love to take that high risk activity because we always want to get the best reward possible. When crypto will succeed there could be more people who will win but if it will fall, only few will win as most of us are bullish in the market.
This could be true that one has to loss money in order for the others to make money, we are playing in the market, and we love to take that high risk activity because we always want to get the best reward possible. When crypto will succeed there could be more people who will win but if it will fall, only few will win as most of us are bullish in the market.
Most short term trading is zero-sum game, not accounting for commissions and other trading fees.
The only type of investments that might not be zero-sum is maybe someone holding some long term stocks like with their retirement fund. With inflation stocks generally go up and so each investor if given enough time (and assuming the stock doesn't go bankrupt) they can sell at a profit.
But with Bitcoin, especially the futures market is zero-sum. You either make money or lose money. Hence this is why its called "Trading" because you are trading positions.
The only type of investments that might not be zero-sum is maybe someone holding some long term stocks like with their retirement fund. With inflation stocks generally go up and so each investor if given enough time (and assuming the stock doesn't go bankrupt) they can sell at a profit.
But with Bitcoin, especially the futures market is zero-sum. You either make money or lose money. Hence this is why its called "Trading" because you are trading positions.
Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
You really cannot sum up like that every time you earn a profit someone out there is loosing, the people who are selling the coins might be selling them at a profit and then where is the loss comes from, it is a mixture of everything, no one will sell at a loss unless they are very bad at handling their finances.For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Could you specify which coins you have invested and which ones are in profit so that others will have an idea.
Partially agree and disagreed with what you said because the market currently resist down trend price this days and if the person that losses was patience to wait till the next he would have gain back his losses. What I'm trying to point out is that it the market status that will determine what will happen.
Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
This is how things do works specially into these market.Where there are only two types of traders which are winners or losses just like on typical gambling site too.When you earn then someone losses and its just a normal thing thats why trading would really be still like a tug or war, trying our best to earn on the most effective
way to trade. Only exchangers dont have the risk of losing yet they do have commision whenever these buyers and sellers made.
Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
yes, that is the nature of trade that can generate profits behind people who suffer losses. for example, you buy coins at a low price from someone who sells them in panic and the coins you have can be stored in the long run, but coin stock is limited so the coins you have for a long time are more valuable in the market, so this is called trade speculation before inflation For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?
For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
You really cannot sum up like that every time you earn a profit someone out there is loosing, the people who are selling the coins might be selling them at a profit and then where is the loss comes from, it is a mixture of everything, no one will sell at a loss unless they are very bad at handling their finances.For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.
My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.
Could you specify which coins you have invested and which ones are in profit so that others will have an idea.
For traders or investors, they will not feel loss by buying a few coins that you think when you sell it get a profit because it could be that the coins you sell in the future the price will be higher than when you sell them to the buyer. No one is harmed in terms of trading because there will be no sale and purchase if the seller and buyer do not agree with the price offered.
I think you kind of on the right track with the question but forgetting the fact that "losing" and "not winning enough" is not the same thing. Someone could buy a coin from 100 satoshi and sell at 200 satoshi, you could be the person who bought at 200 satoshi and sell at 1000 satoshi, now here the first person doubled their money but could have done x10 and you bought at his max double profit but you made x5 profits with it, here you both won, he just could have won more but that doesn't make him "lose".
Of course looking at how the mentality of "I could have made so much more" be a loser mindset and instead people should focus on how much they made instead of how much they could have made but all the same you both won profits from that trade and that is why you do not have to have a "loser". Of course there are situations where you buy at 100 and sell at 1000 and buyer at 1000 has to sell it at 200 when it falls so that one could be considered a loser.
Of course looking at how the mentality of "I could have made so much more" be a loser mindset and instead people should focus on how much they made instead of how much they could have made but all the same you both won profits from that trade and that is why you do not have to have a "loser". Of course there are situations where you buy at 100 and sell at 1000 and buyer at 1000 has to sell it at 200 when it falls so that one could be considered a loser.
In the world of trade, especially parts of cryptocurrency such as Altcoin, but the name of the trade certainly expects profits. if it can't be profitable, it means we lose, just two factors no more, to the detriment of others I don't think so, it's already a risk when we buy high-priced altcoins and sell cheap prices.
In the crypto business there are two speculations about it, (between heaven and hell), we don't realize that every risk will exist,
I think it's not us who harm others, this has also been experienced by everyone, when prices go down and rise.
In the crypto business there are two speculations about it, (between heaven and hell), we don't realize that every risk will exist,
I think it's not us who harm others, this has also been experienced by everyone, when prices go down and rise.
In a static or contracting market, YES - for you to win, someone else has to lose. There is only a limited amount of pie to spread around.
In an expanding market, NO. You can both win, because ultimately there is ever more of the proverbial pie to split up. Just because you are getting a bigger piece, that does not necessarily mean that someone else has to get a smaller piece. He may just win less. I guess you could call that a kind-of lose, but I don't. Note: this does not preclude someone losing because you are winning, it just makes it not a requirement.
Ultimately, however, at some point the universe, and along with it humankind will end. So we cannot have a forever expanding market. It will eventually hit a long decline and return to zero. So in the very long run, the answer is probably back to YES.
In the end, we ALL lose
Rather depressing isn't it ?
Sigg
In an expanding market, NO. You can both win, because ultimately there is ever more of the proverbial pie to split up. Just because you are getting a bigger piece, that does not necessarily mean that someone else has to get a smaller piece. He may just win less. I guess you could call that a kind-of lose, but I don't. Note: this does not preclude someone losing because you are winning, it just makes it not a requirement.
Ultimately, however, at some point the universe, and along with it humankind will end. So we cannot have a forever expanding market. It will eventually hit a long decline and return to zero. So in the very long run, the answer is probably back to YES.
In the end, we ALL lose
Rather depressing isn't it ?
Sigg
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