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October 22, 2015, 04:29:58 AM
#48

If I follow you, when Bitcoin mining will become unenomic, Bitcoin will surely die ? In 2050 or 2060, when there will have not a lot of Bitcoin mined at each block, no one will mine it because everyone, even the one that have free electricity will lose money. But maybe people will mine just to make the Bitcoin network work, like some are already doing by running Bitcoin nodes.

There are miners out there with access to free electricity or very, very cheap electricity. Those will still be in profit just fine whereas other current players will have to throw in the towel unless they can find a similar set up. That's a tough thing to find.

Most assume that transaction fees will make up for the block reward in the far future. That makes sense if it catches on and succeeds and there are far more users than there are now. I think at present fees are often 0.2 BTC per block or less. If it doesn't then mining it will become increasingly thankless as the block reward diminishes further. There'd come a point where it's only mined for altruistic reasons which most people aren't going to consider.



In a really far futur, when the block reward will be less than 1 BTC, no one will profit, since the price of the ASIC will never be recovered, even with free electricity.

Erkallys, you don't think transaction fees will increase enough to compensate for the reduction in the block reward? (Gentlemand, you also seem sceptical - or at least not totally convinced. I've always taken it as a given, without giving it too much thought, that TX fees would be subject to market forces. I'd be interested in having my assumption challenged).
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October 22, 2015, 04:26:11 AM
#47
Are these all the same answers?? ^^

Heh, I noticed that too! All from full members with usernames starting with an "N". Hmmm.
legendary
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October 22, 2015, 04:17:57 AM
#46

If I follow you, when Bitcoin mining will become unenomic, Bitcoin will surely die ? In 2050 or 2060, when there will have not a lot of Bitcoin mined at each block, no one will mine it because everyone, even the one that have free electricity will lose money. But maybe people will mine just to make the Bitcoin network work, like some are already doing by running Bitcoin nodes.

There are miners out there with access to free electricity or very, very cheap electricity. Those will still be in profit just fine whereas other current players will have to throw in the towel unless they can find a similar set up. That's a tough thing to find.

Most assume that transaction fees will make up for the block reward in the far future. That makes sense if it catches on and succeeds and there are far more users than there are now. I think at present fees are often 0.2 BTC per block or less. If it doesn't then mining it will become increasingly thankless as the block reward diminishes further. There'd come a point where it's only mined for altruistic reasons which most people aren't going to consider.



In a really far futur, when the block reward will be less than 1 BTC, no one will profit, since the price of the ASIC will never be recovered, even with free electricity.
legendary
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October 22, 2015, 12:30:09 AM
#45
Are these all the same answers?? ^^
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October 22, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
#44
Wonder future has bitcoin. All new generations will be using in purchasing and sellings.

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October 21, 2015, 11:58:31 PM
#43
I see it ran by a bank, What do you think?

I can see a great future for the bitcoins.
I can see it being used in all parts of the world, used for purchasing or anything.
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October 21, 2015, 10:16:29 PM
#42
I see it ran by a bank, What do you think?

I can picture it being used by many people specially the new generation that is going to be the one that will use it.
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October 21, 2015, 10:04:19 PM
#41
I see it ran by a bank, What do you think?


Yes that would probably happen in the future and I think everyone would be using it in purchasing.
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October 21, 2015, 09:37:55 PM
#40
I see it ran by a bank, What do you think?

Yes I can see established in the future and many people will be using it.
I t is a great advantage that we have known it right now, and we start collecting it right now.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
October 21, 2015, 04:38:22 PM
#39

If I follow you, when Bitcoin mining will become unenomic, Bitcoin will surely die ? In 2050 or 2060, when there will have not a lot of Bitcoin mined at each block, no one will mine it because everyone, even the one that have free electricity will lose money. But maybe people will mine just to make the Bitcoin network work, like some are already doing by running Bitcoin nodes.

There are miners out there with access to free electricity or very, very cheap electricity. Those will still be in profit just fine whereas other current players will have to throw in the towel unless they can find a similar set up. That's a tough thing to find.

Most assume that transaction fees will make up for the block reward in the far future. That makes sense if it catches on and succeeds and there are far more users than there are now. I think at present fees are often 0.2 BTC per block or less. If it doesn't then mining it will become increasingly thankless as the block reward diminishes further. There'd come a point where it's only mined for altruistic reasons which most people aren't going to consider.

legendary
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October 21, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
#38

I have absolutely no idea of the total hashrate at the moment, but let's say it is 100 Ph/s, I don't see possible for someone to raise at least 100,1 Ph/s. This would be absolute too costly ! I don't think (but since 20 minutes I am not a pro yet) that it will be a major problem, since there will have less miner, but that will have more hashrate.

It's a far fetched scenario indeed, but there is a ton of machinery out there and if it did become uneconomic to mine it has zero use for anything else. Someone could buy up a pile and have a go. What possible reason they'd have to do so is beyond me at this moment in time.

If I follow you, when Bitcoin mining will become unenomic, Bitcoin will surely die ? In 2050 or 2060, when there will have not a lot of Bitcoin mined at each block, no one will mine it because everyone, even the one that have free electricity will lose money. But maybe people will mine just to make the Bitcoin network work, like some are already doing by running Bitcoin nodes.
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October 21, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
#37
in 10 years bitcoin will either florish and everyone will start using it, or it will die and everyone will stop using it, lets just hope its not the latter.
legendary
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October 21, 2015, 04:21:46 PM
#36

I have absolutely no idea of the total hashrate at the moment, but let's say it is 100 Ph/s, I don't see possible for someone to raise at least 100,1 Ph/s. This would be absolute too costly ! I don't think (but since 20 minutes I am not a pro yet) that it will be a major problem, since there will have less miner, but that will have more hashrate.

It's a far fetched scenario indeed, but there is a ton of machinery out there and if it did become uneconomic to mine it has zero use for anything else. Someone could buy up a pile and have a go. What possible reason they'd have to do so is beyond me at this moment in time.
legendary
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October 21, 2015, 04:20:10 PM
#35

Ok I see what's you mean. So why was Amph worrying about the number of miner ? There is no difference at all if there is 1 Ph/s or 80 Ph/s ?

There is the security aspect. The more miners there are and the higher the hashrate is, the more difficult it would be for someone to attack the network by overpowering it with their own machinery, although recent events like the spamming and malleability show you can cause inconvenience with far less hassle.

I have absolutely no idea of the total hashrate at the moment, but let's say it is 100 Ph/s, I don't see possible for someone to raise at least 100,1 Ph/s. This would be absolute too costly ! I don't think (but since 20 minutes I am not a pro yet) that it will be a major problem, since there will have less miner, but that will have more hashrate.
legendary
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October 21, 2015, 04:07:35 PM
#34

Ok I see what's you mean. So why was Amph worrying about the number of miner ? There is no difference at all if there is 1 Ph/s or 80 Ph/s ?

There is the security aspect. The more miners there are and the higher the hashrate is, the more difficult it would be for someone to attack the network by overpowering it with their own machinery, although recent events like the spamming and malleability show you can cause inconvenience with far less hassle.
legendary
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October 21, 2015, 03:40:20 PM
#33

In 10 years the numbers of transactions will have more than doubled, but the number of miners will drop, so this is quite worrying. I'm not the pro of how Bitcoin works exactly, but tell me : the more the transactions did each the more hashrate needed ?

Nope. It's the block size that dictates the number of potential transactions which is why everyone's up in arms about it. You could have a far, far lower hashrate and the same number of transactions would go through.

Ok I see what's you mean. So why was Amph worrying about the number of miner ? There is no difference at all if there is 1 Ph/s or 80 Ph/s ?
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
October 21, 2015, 03:37:48 PM
#32

In 10 years the numbers of transactions will have more than doubled, but the number of miners will drop, so this is quite worrying. I'm not the pro of how Bitcoin works exactly, but tell me : the more the transactions did each the more hashrate needed ?

Nope. It's the block size that dictates the number of potential transactions which is why everyone's up in arms about it. You could have a far, far lower hashrate and the same number of transactions would go through.
legendary
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October 21, 2015, 03:35:35 PM
#31
the usually two result will happnen, it will die or it will skyrocket, it must be one of this because of the halving, for every new halving the price must increase or the efficiency must increase otherwise the network will remain unsecure

because every miners will simply leave, and i doubt that the efficiency can double every 4 years, but i may be wrong, if this would be the case, the price can remain where it is, while miners can maintain their today profit

In 10 years the numbers of transactions will have more than doubled, but the number of miners will drop, so this is quite worrying. I'm not the pro of how Bitcoin works exactly, but tell me : the more the transactions did each the more hashrate needed ?
legendary
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October 21, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
#30
Even Satoshi said it that either there will be a lot of transactions in about 10 years or very few transactions. This you can translate to either Bitcoin will be worth a lot or nothing and of course either Bitcoin will be used by many or by nobody.

So this is pretty much your answer OP. I don't see it being somewhere in the middle at all!

Yepp that's it.Either this baby goes moon or higher, or it ends up in oblivion.Let's hope for the first one to happen!
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October 21, 2015, 10:04:04 AM
#29
A "bank" for Bitcoin already exists, it is called Xapo. They will store your Bitcoin for you in secret underground vaults. It seems pretty legit if you ask me. But im a purist, so I think Bitcoin's major points is it allows you to being your own bank, so I would rather trust myself and store them myself, than trust a third party.
It's definitely better than current banks tho.

A bitcoin bank must be an existing bank system who also accepts bitcoin for fund deposit as well as withdraw. Online wallet services are not bitcoin banks. Even Xapo offers debit card to spend bitcoin. All the debit card providers are not banking providers.
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