Topic: Where do you stand on abortion? Let's have a civil debate. - page 5. (Read 2019 times)

^ sounds like a man with no 'see it from the womans' point of view
(im male too but i am open minded)
1. say a fetus is birthed at 20 weeks. it does not survive. OBVIOUSLY
is that then the mother commiting murder because she was unable to kep it healthy for the whole nine months? would you define that as neglect?
at what point do you see the switch from becoming biologically relient on mother to being a self sufficient entity that has life.

2. if a person raped you as a male and gave you aids. and you were told that receiving the virus is life and how you have to put up with the pain and agony and let it play out. with no intervention to stop it. would you agree or would you be asking for any possible way to remove the virus living inside you

3. for emphasis. at what point do you define life.
as being the difference between a  bunch of cells that are reliant on a body for survival. or a sentient life that is self sufficient to survive on its own.
where do you draw the line of when life is life and when something should be treated or just left to grow

4. last point. when life is not worth living where there is no sign of a good lifestyle or happiness and only a life of pain would ending that life (suicide/euphanasia) be acceptable. or just aggressively thought of as murder in all cases
eg
a doctor giving a patent the right to DNR(do not resuscitate)
a person in agony taking an overdose
a family member asking the doctor to turn off the life support when there is no sign of recovery
a doctor informing a family that the person will only know a life of pain and suffering

I'm a pro-life and abortion will never be good for whatever reasons. Killing will never be justified. Killing is mala in se. It is inherently bad whether or not there are laws penalizing it. Every fetus has right to live and no one has the right to take such right to him.
Some will argued, what if that child is not her choice like a product of a crime like rape. Then I will say that a child is not and will never be guilty of such. There are many options other than abortion. If someone is not comfortable seeing that child, then maybe she can always choose an adoption. Those who resort to abortion because they cannot support the child financially then why did they choose to get pregnant in the first place? Nevertheless she has the option to take the child to the orphanage, but not to deprive the child of life because everyone deserves to live.

for me id say morning after pill and stuff ok in the first month. as thats not abortion as such because its still a gooey bubble of cells and a tail.

but the real cut off line is the 23 week area where the fetus becomes viable life. you know, the point where if the mother had a emergency c-section the baby would survive as it would have developed enough to live without its mother sustaining it.

however the 23 week cut off line should b for proper things like the health of the fetus looks like its disabilities wont allow it to have a rewarding life... where life itself would be an agonising punishment

One difficulty is where do you draw the line. If it's acceptable to kill a newly fertilised egg, but unacceptable to kill a newborn baby 9 months later, then where is the cut-off point of acceptability? Is contraception then unacceptable?
I've never been sure where I stand on this, newly fertilised egg, maybe okay, newborn baby obviously not.
But then I'm a man and I'm talking about what happens in a woman's body, so am I even entitled to have an opinion? Probably not.

Here is a Christian/Jewish video from the 1990s.

https://youtu.be/PyQzAgEkJ5o

As an empathetic Christian, you should be pro-choice.

Christians have turned 180 deg on the issue.  Radicalization takes time, I guess.

Abortion should not be legalize, although to some countries it is legal, but as a human and believer in God, still we should be afraid of our creator and have some pity to the lives of babies, give them chance to see the beauty of the world, the chance to live and make a living, let's all be fair and always see the kindness in every situation.

I will hate abortion perpetrators forever!
out there are many women who really miss a baby born from her womb but can't
every child born has the potential to become a potential leader who will change the world in the future
don't kill, it's better to put your child in an orphanage so that the country is taking care of your child.

NO. Big NO. Religiously speaking, it is bad because it's killing other human being. One of the basic rights of a child is the right to live. And obviously, abortion deprives the child from living. It's not enough reason to say that it's your body and you get to decide what you want to do with it. I don't think it's humane at all. Actually, one doesn't have to be religious to see that killing is bad. It's just a matter of conscience and finding your humanity.

If you don't want the child, then just let him/her be adopted by someone. Just let the child live. Or, maybe you should have been very careful in the first place.

I'm against in abortion because we know that is big sin and why do people go to sex if they do abortion. Once you enter in a relationship accept the fact that you may get pregnant. So if you don't like to be pregnant use safety methods so that you can not get pregnant and no abortion.

Abortion is a big no. Life is priceless and it is the highest value that man can attain in this world, without it we are nothing. As human being it is life that makes us who we are now and thus we must respect and protect life. Abortion is murder it is killing a life. The fetus inside the womb has a life, if it has no life how come it can grow and will turn into a human being. Life is a gift that must be treasured be it in a fetus or a grown up man it must be take care well.

The broader scenario would almost eliminate abortions altogether. Why? Because the only legitimate reasons for abortion are the iminent death of the mother if an abortion isn't carried out.

Not all the cases corresponds to your idea, open your mind to a broader scenario. Imagine a young child being raped and became pregnant. In this case, the child is not capable of giving birth and might be the reason of her death. The only thing to do is to choose whether to kill the baby so that the young child will leave or don't kill the baby but the child were died due to incapability to give birth. To conclude, having an abortion is not always a negative thing.

There should be a poll  for this, I'm a Christian so I am against abortion, but in every rule, there is an exception like the mother is going to die if he pushes through with conceiving the baby so the couple has no choice but to go through an abortion, so the mother will be saved, abortion is not good but there are instances that it is accepted, like the example that I've given.

Some religions believe that at conception the fetus has a soul and thus is a human. Others don't think the soul enters until after birth. And then we have agnostics and athiests who don't believe in souls. Until everyone can agree on what makes a human a human as opposed to, oh I don't know, an ape, or "when" they're effectively a human, then there can be no discussion really as to what's right and what isn't.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone should mind their own business and let those that think it's the right choice for them do it up until the fetus can be sentient which is around 18-25 weeks (I do still think that's a bit long but it at least has some science beyond it). Beyond that, once we've reached the point where the fetus can be removed at any time and implanted into a man or woman who can then carry it to term, then change the law and let all those people that think it's murder volunteer to be surrogates.. or better yet, maybe there should be a lottery and they have to be forced to carry it. Let's see if all the pro life people sing a different tune at that point.

If you are going to regurgitate the nicknames I give you back at me, at least try to make it amusing. That is sad, as well as your pathetic attempt to guilt me for not bowing to your insane ideology. People can believe they are whatever they want, they are not entitled to force me to share their delusions.

ok captain conflation gender identity and biological sex are not the same thing.  I asked for your biological sex because that is what determines who can have abortions.  We aren't talking about gender identify which is what you're attempting to ridicule.  You'll have to find another opporutnity to make fun of an already emotionally vulnerable group of people.  

I identify as a military hovercraft.

Male (Lets begin a norm of premising each post in this thread with our sex)

Alright now that I've established that norm, I hope to catch people up on the correct medical terminology because words are being thrown around in contexts where more specificity and/or accuracy is needed.

fetus-an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind
specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

embryo-the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception

I'm also against abortion. People has it’s own views and belief about abortion. Many religious and others obstruct abortion is a murder killing baby inside the womb of a mother. Actually, some cases opt to choose to abort the baby because this might cause the death of a woman. Nonetheless, doing the right thing will give us good karma in life.

Still don't agree with abortion, although I am not perfect and not that much religious, but I believe in bible, and I believe that abortion is like killing a human being as it has already heart even if he's still fetus. So, we need to embrace the consequence of our actions, and that is love our child, even if you like it or not.