Topic: Which campaign has the most spammers? (Read 1184 times)
I decided to block the thread because I think that the Stake members cooperated to vote against Duelbits. I saw that even a moderator is involved in this campaign, so I have no doubt that the manager of this campaign properly maintains a high level of moderation.
Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;
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♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count
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▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.
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➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.
I'm willing to bet 90% of the users in campaigns would have trouble getting the definition of "semantic load" right without asking chatgpt.
That aside I know a pretty bullet proof way of getting rid of quota spammers, you grab their profile and you check how many times he has broken his usual style of typing either 4 or 6 lines. Just opening that link with the users rated 7 and 9 , lol, and I saw same guys that have 6 pages of constantly 4 lines.
How could you achieve that in a normal discussion?
Seriously, I want to hear from anyone here how in the name of god can you share your truthful and honest opinion on 100 issues and ALWAYS make it in 4 lines, even a robot will crash and spew 2 or 100 lines one time, but some there are more than dedicated to keeping the rhythm going..
The respect must be mutual. Not LoyceV's domineering nature.
Lol. I must have hit a nerve. Who's alt are you? Too afraid to say this from your real account? Figures.Probably, from what I have seen, most spammers are the ones wearing altcoin’s signatures, since most of those managers are newbies with new accounts and red tags, not known or trusted among our community.
The campaigns paying in made-up tokens are a whole different level indeed. I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.
Probably you will stop arguing with the managers now?
I have seen a couple of members who were busting spammers, scammers, alt accounts, and reporting plagiarisms, and suddenly after enrolling in a campaign, they become another average Joe. Some of them ranked up today and they seems like a regular member. But their starting was with exposing alt accounts, and reporting plagiarism. The question always remains, why? Probably they did those job to earn some quick merits and then turned into an average forum member after enrolling the campaign. So, I can see a clear ending of airfinex guy. LOL.
I believe that each member here wearing a signature of any campaign without getting accepted or following the rules set by the campaign manager is mainly representing himself, while when another member is following the rules he wouldn’t be spamming otherwise he would get fired and removed from that campaign. Bitcoin campaigns are not allowing or encouraging spam, quite the opposite they are all against spam.
Probably, from what I have seen, most spammers are the ones wearing altcoin’s signatures, since most of those managers are newbies with new accounts and red tags, not known or trusted among our community.
The campaign managers are not responsible about other members wearing their signature without getting accepted, at the same time you can report any spam post you see in the forum regardless what that member is wearing.
Probably, from what I have seen, most spammers are the ones wearing altcoin’s signatures, since most of those managers are newbies with new accounts and red tags, not known or trusted among our community.
The campaign managers are not responsible about other members wearing their signature without getting accepted, at the same time you can report any spam post you see in the forum regardless what that member is wearing.
Despite OP's trollish intentions, I feel like this turned out to be a pretty good thread. It brought to light an important question of what constitutes "spam." We are still miles away from resolving the question, but this is a healthy discussion to have.
Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;
The rule exists because they don't want participants getting paid to crank out a bunch of shitposts that take 30 seconds to type. Its not logical to infer from it that "long post = good." As a matter of fact, the best posts are those that convey the most information in the fewest amount of words.
Like hell it does. Bitcointalk doesn't need squat from anybody except for theymos, to make sure the lights stay on. You opened yet another account to talk trash so soon? My my...
I think something along these lines sounds reasonable. Paying for such a huge post count each week naturally encourages spam and shitposts. There is no way to mentally cartwheel yourself away from such an easy inference. The more posts paid, the lower quality the posts, and the higher chance they will be viewed as "spam." It's kind of an unavoidable correlation.
We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.
Speak for yourself.Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;
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♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count
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▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.
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➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.
The rule exists because they don't want participants getting paid to crank out a bunch of shitposts that take 30 seconds to type. Its not logical to infer from it that "long post = good." As a matter of fact, the best posts are those that convey the most information in the fewest amount of words.
BTT needs traffic to keep valid.
Like hell it does. Bitcointalk doesn't need squat from anybody except for theymos, to make sure the lights stay on. You opened yet another account to talk trash so soon? My my...
You have 80–90 active participants. Even if you cut your weekly max post count to 50-60, you will still have the most viewed avatar and signature as the campaign with the most participants on the forum.
This way, there is less controversy, the forum is happy, and so are the participants.
This way, there is less controversy, the forum is happy, and so are the participants.
I think something along these lines sounds reasonable. Paying for such a huge post count each week naturally encourages spam and shitposts. There is no way to mentally cartwheel yourself away from such an easy inference. The more posts paid, the lower quality the posts, and the higher chance they will be viewed as "spam." It's kind of an unavoidable correlation.
First of all, my last message was having someone elses in mind so, I apologize for my mistake @LoyceV
As for @mr.smith & @KingsDen, we already have some changes in mind (but we are still open for any new advice you guys want to give) and we will be discussing it with more details late tomorrow (Sunday). Hope these changes can help the forum community in general.
As for @mr.smith & @KingsDen, we already have some changes in mind (but we are still open for any new advice you guys want to give) and we will be discussing it with more details late tomorrow (Sunday). Hope these changes can help the forum community in general.
I mentioned in your thread last year that the Stake signature already has the most participants on the forum; if you reduce the weekly max post counts, you'll still achieve a better result, but this time with quality.
You have 80–90 active participants. Even if you cut your weekly max post count to 50-60, you will still have the most viewed avatar and signature as the campaign with the most participants on the forum.
This way, there is less controversy, the forum is happy, and so are the participants.
@Carollzinha
You kid me. You want the forum to run your campaign for you? Sad. Be yourself, don't be LoyceV or anybody. Run your campaign as you like, just don't scam people. Damn anybody. Your money, your right. You broke no rule. He should point it out if you do. No perfect campaign, you may only try your best.
Stake needs traffic to grow, BTT needs traffic to keep valid. No loser here.
LoyceV should be thankful to Stake. If just 5 casinos like Stake leave due to his arrogance, I wonder the panic it may cause. Mixer was banned, see what happened. LoyceV, Stake is now your target, you shall fail.
No campaign with zero bad posters, not the present campaign of LoyceV. BTT members can call a bad poster out not the entire campaign painted bad.
LoyceV is bad, you are evil. The boy is only intoxicated by his relevance on BTT. Without BTT he is nothing, he is self-centered.
BTT should be grateful to Stake and other active businesses needing mutual cooperation. Without them BTT will struggle. How many campaigns have come and gone? My going close to 4years on BTT points that Stake keeps the relationship well.
@Stake...
You may ease the pressure on your posters for higher quality delivery. Your choice. Limiting it to 70 posts a week can be good. You may review the pay per post upward like most managers do to make it easy for them. We have seen similar campaigns like that by the best managers.
Like I said. Your choice.
Don't forget...
Your money, your right. Just don't break any rule.
The respect must be mutual. Not LoyceV's domineering nature. He is only a user who is trying to turn the forum to his personal shop.
You kid me. You want the forum to run your campaign for you? Sad. Be yourself, don't be LoyceV or anybody. Run your campaign as you like, just don't scam people. Damn anybody. Your money, your right. You broke no rule. He should point it out if you do. No perfect campaign, you may only try your best.
Stake needs traffic to grow, BTT needs traffic to keep valid. No loser here.
LoyceV should be thankful to Stake. If just 5 casinos like Stake leave due to his arrogance, I wonder the panic it may cause. Mixer was banned, see what happened. LoyceV, Stake is now your target, you shall fail.
No campaign with zero bad posters, not the present campaign of LoyceV. BTT members can call a bad poster out not the entire campaign painted bad.
LoyceV is bad, you are evil. The boy is only intoxicated by his relevance on BTT. Without BTT he is nothing, he is self-centered.
BTT should be grateful to Stake and other active businesses needing mutual cooperation. Without them BTT will struggle. How many campaigns have come and gone? My going close to 4years on BTT points that Stake keeps the relationship well.
@Stake...
You may ease the pressure on your posters for higher quality delivery. Your choice. Limiting it to 70 posts a week can be good. You may review the pay per post upward like most managers do to make it easy for them. We have seen similar campaigns like that by the best managers.
Like I said. Your choice.
Don't forget...
Your money, your right. Just don't break any rule.
The respect must be mutual. Not LoyceV's domineering nature. He is only a user who is trying to turn the forum to his personal shop.
We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.
Speak for yourself.Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;
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♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count
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▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.
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➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.
I like how hilariousandco puts it:
A quality/constructive poster will generally have no pattern to their posting history and will have posts ranging from one word to one sentence to several paragraphs and everything in between and this is what you should be aiming for.
If you look at someone's post history, and all you see is endless pages of posts with 2 paragraphs, all with the exact same length, it's obvious they're only posting to reach the spam target. Any natural conversation (real life or on a forum) varies from very short to very long.Ask yourself why CM campaign participants in general were considered to be good posters, and Stake campaign participants are considered to be spammers. It's a direct result of choices made by the campaign manager.
I would say I agree with you 100%, but I think the earning potential of the various campaigns plays a huge part in the pool of potential participants the campaign manager can choose from. CM was the highest-paying campaign around if I remember correctly, so it got really competitive and wound up with some of the best posters on the forum.The payment limit is $ 100/week (+$25 if win the bonus) per member of this campaign
Up to 25 posts: $1.75 per post
From 26 posts on: $0.50 per post + 20% extra for posts at Gambling Section
They choose to pay for up to 163 posts per week. That gives a great incentive to spam, and since they don't care about quality, the result is that this campaign fills 80% of the Top 25 users with most posts. And I bet (pun intended) they'd all stop posting the moment they don't get paid for it. Up to 25 posts: $1.75 per post
From 26 posts on: $0.50 per post + 20% extra for posts at Gambling Section
Ask yourself why CM campaign participants in general were considered to be good posters, and Stake campaign participants are considered to be spammers. It's a direct result of choices made by the campaign manager.
I would say I agree with you 100%, but I think the earning potential of the various campaigns plays a huge part in the pool of potential participants the campaign manager can choose from. CM was the highest-paying campaign around if I remember correctly, so it got really competitive and wound up with some of the best posters on the forum. But hey, I could be missing very important and even obvious factors. I won't admit to smoking anything funny, but it's two sunrises past my bedtime and my noodle gets a bit loopy whenever I get like this.
I believe this is the worst thread that the OP created with intention to increase arguments and nothing else.
You're probably right, and I think airfinex has a history of sparking drama. Eh. 
First of all, my last message was having someone elses in mind so, I apologize for my mistake @LoyceV
As for @mr.smith & @KingsDen, we already have some changes in mind (but we are still open for any new advice you guys want to give) and we will be discussing it with more details late tomorrow (Sunday). Hope these changes can help the forum community in general.
As for @mr.smith & @KingsDen, we already have some changes in mind (but we are still open for any new advice you guys want to give) and we will be discussing it with more details late tomorrow (Sunday). Hope these changes can help the forum community in general.
We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.
Speak for yourself.Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;
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♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count
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▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.
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➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.
The title of the thread fully describes the essence of the issue.
I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.
I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.
an interesting topic so you created this thread because you don't want to be part of spammers as if you have the privilege or the luxury to pick the campaign to join, after this thread your chances are not good
@stake is it possible to change the rule to make it a maximum 6 or 7 posts daily with a fixed number of posts and payment, the participants are committed to creating an essay because it's a pay-per-post type of campaign.
I believe this is the worst thread that the OP created with intention to increase arguments and nothing else. The worst thing he did is that he added a poll to it, that's a sure way to create hatred and fight between members with differing opinions. OP created this thread and he himself flew away from the scene like a bird but other members have been continuing it with their posts mostly argumentative ones. I request most of you guys to think that why someone creates a thread like this in first place which is meant for creating fights between members of the forum who belong to different signature campaigns?
If his intention is to join a campaign then he should improve his posting standards and be active on the forum, why to ask a question that could be the cause of so many arguments? All those arguments which aren't necessary are going on due to this thread. If I'm not wrong then signature campaigns and the campaign managers who are managing those signature campaigns are doing quite well on this forum. The signature campaigns of this forum are way better than that of other forums, and I'm sure that gambling board is one of the most active boards of this forum with most active members.
I'm quite sure the OP might be checking this thread after every hour and he might be laughing that how he got success in creating hatred on this forum through this thread. I think we all should think once again and see that who's getting any benefit from all those arguments? The OP's thread is getting shilled each time we are posting on it, and he seems to be enjoying it by hiding behind his system which he uses to handle the account. Thus we all should think and understand that there's no need to points finger towards members of any signature campaigns or their members.
If his intention is to join a campaign then he should improve his posting standards and be active on the forum, why to ask a question that could be the cause of so many arguments? All those arguments which aren't necessary are going on due to this thread. If I'm not wrong then signature campaigns and the campaign managers who are managing those signature campaigns are doing quite well on this forum. The signature campaigns of this forum are way better than that of other forums, and I'm sure that gambling board is one of the most active boards of this forum with most active members.
I'm quite sure the OP might be checking this thread after every hour and he might be laughing that how he got success in creating hatred on this forum through this thread. I think we all should think once again and see that who's getting any benefit from all those arguments? The OP's thread is getting shilled each time we are posting on it, and he seems to be enjoying it by hiding behind his system which he uses to handle the account. Thus we all should think and understand that there's no need to points finger towards members of any signature campaigns or their members.
You are insulting a lot of us @LoyceV LOL
I'm okay with that.Check the most active posters. Currently, the top 5-24 is completely filled with only Stake signatures:
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Stake doesn't care who they hire, as long as they post a lot (of BS). Their spam was called out 5 years ago, and it's still going.
They actually do. If they wouldn't then you wouldn't see me, yahoo, ognasty and some others in their campaign.~snip~
Stake doesn't care who they hire, as long as they post a lot (of BS). Their spam was called out 5 years ago, and it's still going.
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For a large campaign like Stake it's not always easy.
So? Nobody said it should be easy, it's a paying job. And if the one doing it can't handle it, he should be replaced.Quote
Their weekly budget can easily be over $5k. With this budget they have mix of good and bad posters.
This is the dumbest thing I've read today. Hiring spammers is a choice, and if anything, it's caused by paying too little money for too many posts.Quote
mix of highly reputed members and average members. Problem with high rep members that they will not chase a certain weekly target, you can not force them to fill up the weekly target even with a very high weekly payment but the average members don't mind to chase the weekly target. So Stake is just balancing between number of posts, cost per week and individual reputation.
That's a long way to describe "spamming".Quote
The cost per posts is the most priority for Stake manager (at least I got the impression when I had a discussion with her) which is why many times you find a lot of spammers but overall I think the campaign is doing fairly well.
You seem to be heavily biased by the fact that they pay you. I'd expect much higher standards from you as a campaign manager.1. The forum
2. His clients
3. His own business reputation
You are right, Stake is paying me for my signature space and considering the current ecosystem, they are paying me a good amount per week, I am in their VIP list with some others. It's a respect and honour. I appreciate the value they see to spend on me and some others. But that does not challenge my integrity even a bit less. When any advertiser is giving you VIP value, they know well about you and your work in the community. People just don't spend money without a reason except may be Foxpup LOL.
Besides, I don't think I have a record to speak only for the clients who pay me, when necessary. There were many incidents in the past where I rejected payments (= loss of money), stopped campaigns (=loss of money), rejected working for projects (= loss of money) because they did not meet my standard. It would look nicer if you were adding some of these too. The argument would look more fair. Obviously money talks but it does not talk the same for everyone.
But let's keep it aside, thing is you are not a campaign manager so it's difficult for you to understand the work of a campaign manager. As an outsider it's easy to tell anything you want. When you are in the job, it's way more difficult than you think, if you tell something then you are telling things from your own experience but you are missing it. I welcome you as one of us managers competitors. How many more years you are going to spend posting for signature payments and merit recycling club? :-P
Anyway, all those you said sounds nice in an ideal world but in a practical world where you are spending hard cash, it is different.
1. When a project is paying money they are looking at their gains, the ROI.
2. When you - as a campaign manager is working in a campaign you are looking at the well being of the forum members, the clients and your business.
If all these were easy to handle then we would see everyone would become campaign managers including you LOL
I respect your views of an ideal campaign management but don't expect a campaign manager needs to see things the way you see. They have their own eyes, they have their own working style and own success stories. It's nice if we respect it.
Stake is not different too in that regards. Yes, they can improve but it does not look good when you are disrespectful towards their works.
Cheers,
~Snip~
@Fivestar4everMVP I think whatever you said is very true and that's the main reason why people consider members of the Stake campaign as spammers. I have personally read posts of many of the members of that campaign and I didn't see any spammers myself. In fact I think some of the best members at gambling board are part of that campaign.
The strange thing I noticed about the users who were part of Stake campaign is that they make very long posts and make so many posts on daily basis. I believe that those members are way more dedicated to share their opinions in those threads and that's why they give proper time to make such long posts. It's not an easy task to write that long posts and only the ones who are highly dedicated would give proper time to write such long and detailed posts.
I think you're also right that if Stake's maximum posts should be limited to 50-70 or I believe 60-80 then that would be much better for the users and for the campaign as well. Most of the participants try their best to earn as much money as they possibly can from Stake's campaign and that's the reason why they make so many posts to earn as much as the campaign allows them to earn. And, I believe nothing is wrong in that approach because if someone is putting more effort and longer hours then that person deserves to get paid for doing that.
We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.
Speak for yourself.I'm going to be bold and blow myself my own horn by suggesting that the rare avatar displaying a certain cycling club membership is almost always a guarantee that a post made by a member with said avatar is well worth one's time.
It's literally the only campaign on the forum that doesn't pay the members to post.
Criticism is allowed, but when you start bashing them and telling them how to do the job the way you would have done it, it is inappropriate. Everyone will not behave/work the same way you did.
I'm active on the gambling board, but I don't see many stake signatures because I mainly post on self-moderated and paid pool threads; yet, the few stake participants I've seen are good posters. As with any other campaign, there are a few good ones and a few shit/average ones.
Swaziland You were not paying for short posts either (you plainly stated in your rules that you would pay for short, high-quality posts, but you did not). It is simple to define what is what, but difficult to put into action.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1XGGC1z7KiyWnqmfuwiRyUEL-7Fn9YGT-GCVyXDML2TM/htmlview
I'm active on the gambling board, but I don't see many stake signatures because I mainly post on self-moderated and paid pool threads; yet, the few stake participants I've seen are good posters. As with any other campaign, there are a few good ones and a few shit/average ones.
Spoken like a true spammer. Good posts can be long or short, spam posts can easily reach the exact target required. Good users don't care about waiting 5 minutes between posts. Spammers can easily jump through those hoops. Long spam posts are even worse than short spam posts, because it takes more time to read and realize it's useless.
Swaziland You were not paying for short posts either (you plainly stated in your rules that you would pay for short, high-quality posts, but you did not). It is simple to define what is what, but difficult to put into action.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1XGGC1z7KiyWnqmfuwiRyUEL-7Fn9YGT-GCVyXDML2TM/htmlview
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I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.
I have these to say;
- Spam is an individual based crime and not a campaign based crime
- Although some campaign rules can indirectly instigate spamming
- Stake has been called out as a spam campaign, but I have these to say about stake
b. Before now we could call stake campaign participants spammers but now they are no more. It seems that the manager made a certain rule that makes these guys post long wall of texts. I mean upto 80% of them write longer texts than myself. We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.
- Spamming doesn't necessarily mean making upto 100 posts per week. Someone could make 100 posts without spamming while someone making 20 posts will spam
- If anyone makes upto 100 posts without bursting (giving upto 5 mins wait time), and these posts are highly connected, I would not call that spamming
- It should be called spamming when it is irrelevant or unsolicited
- I do not see stake participants as spammers just like the then 1xbit. But if I were the manager, in order to erase the stake name in the mind of bitcointalk users whenever spam is mentioned. I'll simply rearrange the campaign to pay participants $100 if they make upto 50 posts, and maybe $125 if they can go 70 posts. The result will be same and the campaign will still dominate the gambling section.
As I said in my previous post, I am all open for suggestions.
Well, I have nothing much to say here that is not already said, but then, I just want to as well support your suggestion, having a fixed number of posts from 50 to 70 posts for max pay would be nice, even though it is understood that participants aren't forced to reach max pay, but then, we all know how desperate most people are for money and more money, it's difficult to find someone who would willingly decide to earn cents when the opportunity to earn in real dollars is also made available to him or her.
Campaign managers have their assessment of the quality of posts that they will count or not count. If the quality of the post does not meet the standards of the campaign manager, it will not be counted. some managers exclude some boards that don't count. as well as the quality of participants' posts.
several other members have shown how many managers select new participants. maybe you can get better if you start to adapt. although each manager has their methods and standards.
Maybe the tags on your account can also be taken into consideration by the campaign manager when they want to see how you really are.
Hmm. Above is a bunch of generic statements, most of which are only tangentially related to the topic at hand. This is what I'd call a shitpost dressed up with so many words in an attempt to make it look like something substantial. I've got avatars and signatures on ignore (OH, the irony!) so I don't know if Awaklara is in a campaign or not--and I haven't peeked at his profile--but if he is in one, I'd not be shocked if there weren't other members doing the same thing in it. Just a guess, though.several other members have shown how many managers select new participants. maybe you can get better if you start to adapt. although each manager has their methods and standards.
Maybe the tags on your account can also be taken into consideration by the campaign manager when they want to see how you really are.
To be honest, I think your rating system is complete bullshit.
But even more fascinating is the uncanny similarity in scores from your entire team. It's almost like they all share the same brain... Real people don't have hive-mind opinions, especially on subjective matters like this. Your system reeks of manipulation, not genuine evaluation.
Your post made me giggle with glee. Let the flamethrower loose, m'boy.But even more fascinating is the uncanny similarity in scores from your entire team. It's almost like they all share the same brain... Real people don't have hive-mind opinions, especially on subjective matters like this. Your system reeks of manipulation, not genuine evaluation.
A signature can be a very good first indication whether or not a post is worth reading. If it's Stake, chances are the only thing I do is click Ignore. It's very rare to see one that's worth my time.
I'm going to be bold and blow Jump to: