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KingsDen

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Quote from: airfinex on February 15, 2024, 05:34:46 PM

I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.

I have these to say;

Spam is an individual based crime and not a campaign based crime
Although some campaign rules can indirectly instigate spamming
Stake has been called out as a spam campaign, but I have these to say about stake

a. Stake minimum post to be paid is 25 posts which is ok. It is the bonus arrangement that makes her campaign participants wants to make upto 100 posts to have maximum pay.
b. Before now we could call stake campaign participants spammers but now they are no more. It seems that the manager made a certain rule that makes these guys post long wall of texts. I mean upto 80% of them write longer texts than myself. We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.

Spamming doesn't necessarily mean making upto 100 posts per week. Someone could make 100 posts without spamming while someone making 20 posts will spam
If anyone makes upto 100 posts without bursting (giving upto 5 mins wait time), and these posts are highly connected, I would not call that spamming
It should be called spamming when it is irrelevant or unsolicited
I do not see stake participants as spammers just like the then 1xbit. But if I were the manager, in order to erase the stake name in the mind of bitcointalk users whenever spam is mentioned. I'll simply rearrange the campaign to pay participants $100 if they make upto 50 posts, and maybe $125 if they can go 70 posts. The result will be same and the campaign will still dominate the gambling section.

Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 04:01:35 AM

As I said in my previous post, I am all open for suggestions.

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Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 01:50:16 AM

The best poster rewards are not given for those with the highest total of posts, as someone mentioned, it is given for the top 2 (based in their final rating) + 2 more members that reached a final rating of at least 7.5. Here you can see our Rating Sheet

To be honest, I think your rating system is complete bullshit. I wasn't going to call out any specific member, but since you made your rating sheet public, let's address the elephant in the room:

This is your top poster? Months in a row, according to your own data. Impressive...

But even more fascinating is the uncanny similarity in scores from your entire team. It's almost like they all share the same brain... Real people don't have hive-mind opinions, especially on subjective matters like this. Your system reeks of manipulation, not genuine evaluation.

LoyceV

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Quote from: ABCbits on February 17, 2024, 04:41:52 AM

That rule already enforced though, although it seems only YoBit signature campaign deemed to violate that rule.

If I remember correctly, I've seen hilariousandco complain about the lack of enforcement. So it's really up to upper management to take action.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 17, 2024, 03:25:41 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on November 17, 2016, 07:46:01 AM

Signature campaigns should be a way to reward users for quality contributions and only those that do should be paid, but at the moment it has become a way for many campaign operators to lazily and cheaply advertise their business by paying greedy users to spam whatever unsubstantial rubbish they can be bothered putting the minimal amount of effort in to and this will no longer be tolerated.
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As a signature campaign operator you will ultimately be held responsible for the quality of posts of users bearing your signature advertisement and you will need to monitor your users closely or it will be quickly abused.
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Running a campaign is not an easy task and it requires someone actively monitoring participants daily ~ If you cannot commit to doing this or do not have someone within your company who can do the job to an acceptable standard then you should either hire someone to do so or close your campaign and look at alternative ways of advertising.

If those rules would be enforced, you'd be banned.

That rule already enforced though, although it seems only YoBit signature campaign deemed to violate that rule.

Apocollapse

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Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 01:50:16 AM

I dont really trust in the current Merit System, tbh. I have seen shitty posters with over 5k merits and I have also seen good posters that barely could reach Sr Member so no, dont ask me to use it as basis to accept or maintain members in the campaign because I wont.

Which users you're talking about? I'm really familiar with all the 5K merits users and I don't see they're spammers, that's why I ask you to enlighten what the real spammer is.

Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 04:01:35 AM

You should first take care of these Chat GPT guys that you have been paying for months. There is no point in being a good poster if you are not the one behind the posts you do.

Isn't that you?

Quote from: LoyceV on February 17, 2024, 03:25:41 AM

This is truely amazing! Those 7 people must be the worst at their job, considering Stake has been paying for useless posts from many spammers for many years!

Have you opened their rating spreadsheet? the users who get high rating are wall of text posters, in order to become best posters in Stake, all you need is to create 2-4 paragraphs posts, even though there's no point of the post. Without those 7 people, everyone can know who post long lol.

Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 01:50:16 AM

The best poster rewards are not given for those with the highest total of posts, as someone mentioned, it is given for the top 2 (based in their final rating) + 2 more members that reached a final rating of at least 7.5. Here you can see our Rating Sheet

LoyceV

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Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 04:01:35 AM

You should first take care of these Chat GPT guys that you have been paying for months.

What are you talking about? I'm not paying chat spammers.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 17, 2024, 03:25:41 AM

~snip~

You should first take care of these Chat GPT guys that you have been paying for months. There is no point in being a good poster if you are not the one behind the posts you do.

As I said in my previous post, I am all open for suggestions.

LoyceV

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 16, 2024, 09:03:38 AM

You are insulting a lot of us @LoyceV LOL

I'm okay with that.

Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2024, 05:07:27 AM

Check the most active posters. Currently, the top 5-24 is completely filled with only Stake signatures:
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Stake doesn't care who they hire, as long as they post a lot (of BS). Their spam was called out 5 years ago, and it's still going.

They actually do. If they wouldn't then you wouldn't see me, yahoo, ognasty and some others in their campaign.

I'm not impressed. Money talks.

Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 01:50:16 AM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 16, 2024, 09:03:38 AM

For a large campaign like Stake it's not always easy.

Trust me, definitely its not

If running a spam-free campaign is too difficult for you, you shouldn't be managing a campaign at all:

Quote from: hilariousandco on November 17, 2016, 07:46:01 AM

If those rules would be enforced, you'd be banned.

Quote from: Carollzinha on February 17, 2024, 01:50:16 AM

We do not incentive or support spam of any kind. Every post with less than 150 characters, with an interval of less than 5 minutes (between each post) or has no quality is not paid.

Spoken like a true spammer. Good posts can be long or short, spam posts can easily reach the exact target required. Good users don't care about waiting 5 minutes between posts. Spammers can easily jump through those hoops. Long spam posts are even worse than short spam posts, because it takes more time to read and realize it's useless.

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We are a team of 7 paying attention to everyone's post and 5 of them are responsible for rating all of them.

This is truely amazing! Those 7 people must be the worst at their job, considering Stake has been paying for useless posts from many spammers for many years!

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I dont really trust in the current Merit System

It's not perfect, but it's a good indication. Thousands of posts without earning Merit means nobody cares about those posts.

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Lol. If you take any number (>50) of users and rank them in order of quality, there will always be exactly 50 of them in the top 50.

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but a lot of them have a rating of 7.5+ for their quality so definitely not what I would simply call "spam".

Who makes those ratings? Stake?

Running a low-spam campaign is not difficult. But it is a lot of work. It requires reading every post and not just checking the length and time in between.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 16, 2024, 09:03:38 AM

For a large campaign like Stake it's not always easy.

Trust me, definitely its not

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 16, 2024, 09:03:38 AM

I still have not calculated how many members are wearing Stake signature but I can easily assume it's more than 50.

Hero/Legendary Campaign: 99 members for now (as one of the members accepted in the previous week is still to join)
Sr Members Campaign: 25 members

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 16, 2024, 09:03:38 AM

Their weekly budget can easily be over $5k.

Around that Wink

Well, now let me point some things that I see some people are misinterpreting in our campaign

We do not incentive or support spam of any kind. Every post with less than 150 characters, with an interval of less than 5 minutes (between each post) or has no quality is not paid.
AI usage is forbidden in our campaign (and I really wish all the campaign managers would do the same).
We are a team of 7 paying attention to everyone's post and 5 of them are responsible for rating all of them. We know most all the campaigns are focused in old & experienced gamblers but we cant forget that the new generation also uses Bitcointalk to learn about the gambling & cryptos world.. and thats why our team has people like Adrian, with over 8 years of experience, but we also have Tiiks, with less than 6 months inside of it. For us, everyone matters
The best poster rewards are not given for those with the highest total of posts, as someone mentioned, it is given for the top 2 (based in their final rating) + 2 more members that reached a final rating of at least 7.5. Here you can see our Rating Sheet
I dont really trust in the current Merit System, tbh. I have seen shitty posters with over 5k merits and I have also seen good posters that barely could reach Sr Member so no, dont ask me to use it as basis to accept or maintain members in the campaign because I wont.

When you are talking about a brand that runs 2 campaigns, with a total of 124 members, referring to its members, in general, as spammer is just stupid. I also know many of our members are on top 50 in quantity of posts but a lot of them have a rating of 7.5+ for their quality so definitely not what I would simply call "spam".. but I also have to agree that, going further, some of the top 100 are under that rating so we will be working on it by the next week.

Last but not least, I am always open to read your suggestions. This is the first time I am running a campaign (and I like to believe the I am doing well, otherwise the campaign would not be on for so many years) & we always have something to learn.

Have a good one guys.

BabyBandit

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on February 15, 2024, 06:07:09 PM

You can register to this campaign, I see not many spammers join this campaign, even though this campaign is very good

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoincleanupcom-charity-signatureavatarsocial-media-campaign-members-5415550 by NotATether

Thank you for the recommendation.

Regarding what campaign has the most spammers.. no campaign at all! It is individuals that spams or not spam not campaigns.
Blame the individual not the campaign. This is silly.

Rikafip

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 16, 2024, 09:03:38 AM

You will always see in every conversation members have Stake signature. For the point of view from the project owner, it's a great outcome.

You will indeed see them all over the place unless you use ignore option (which is very underused option imho) and I believe many do for many of their members.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 16, 2024, 09:03:38 AM

For the point of view from the project owner, it's a great outcome.

I guess they are satisfied with the results since they are running campaign for so long. Or maybe they just have allocated amount and don't really care.

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Quote from: examplens on February 15, 2024, 06:18:05 PM

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you missed two cheap campaigns that are probably the closest to the title of most spammers at the moment.

Exactly, that's why the poll makes no sense and aims at something completely different from the question it asks. In addition WO should be some campaign or OP means Wall Observer where signatures are not displayed anyway Huh

My vote definitely goes to YoShitBit (regardless of the fact that it ended a long time ago) - those who remember well know what it looked like.

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You are insulting a lot of us @LoyceV LOL

Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2024, 05:07:27 AM

They actually do. If they wouldn't then you wouldn't see me, yahoo, ognasty and some others in their campaign.

For a large campaign like Stake it's not always easy. I still have not calculated how many members are wearing Stake signature but I can easily assume it's more than 50. Their weekly budget can easily be over $5k. With this budget they have mix of good and bad posters., mix of highly reputed members and average members. Problem with high rep members that they will not chase a certain weekly target, you can not force them to fill up the weekly target even with a very high weekly payment but the average members don't mind to chase the weekly target. So Stake is just balancing between number of posts, cost per week and individual reputation.

The cost per posts is the most priority for Stake manager (at least I got the impression when I had a discussion with her) which is why many times you find a lot of spammers but overall I think the campaign is doing fairly well. You will always see in every conversation members have Stake signature. For the point of view from the project owner, it's a great outcome.

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Quote from: airfinex on February 15, 2024, 05:34:46 PM

The title of the thread fully describes the essence of the issue.

I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.

Stake.com has the highest chance to be spammed since they have higher post quota while they have bonus system that rewards users with most post(most of the time).

I encounter some of the participants post in the gambling discussion thread that doesn’t have make sense even though it contains wall of post. Their wall of post is very terrible to read in a discussion thread not only because it’s too long but also there’s no value on it which is not the worth reading it. I’m not generalizing Stake campaign but this is base on what I observe on the gambling discussion board.

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Spamming is always an individual thing, it has nothing to do with which campaign a user is into. Yeah, I perfectly understand that some persons or users may want to, or try to make more number of posts in one day, higher than the number of posts they can coherently put together without over working their brains, hence; spamming, all because of the condition of the campaign they are into, but this is them, they chose not to stick to their capabilities because of more pay.
Such attitude can't and shouldn't be generalized, for we all have our different strengths and capabilities, the fact you can't make five posts in a day without over stressing your brains and hence; spamming, does not mean every other person is the same, it's wrong to judge others based on our own strength, for strength differs.

If you find a user who is spamming, pick out the user and leave the campaign he or she is promoting out of it, as long as campaign is one that is recognized on this forum as reputable.

Besides, what is spam to you?

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2024, 05:07:27 AM

Stake doesn't care who they hire, as long as they post a lot (of BS). Their spam was called out 5 years ago, and it's still going.

You missed one of the biggest spammers and pathetic liars in this forum under number 31 that is also a member of the same spam gang.
Only thing that ruined his percentage is temp ban for making personal threats Cry

LoyceV

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Quote from: FatFork on February 16, 2024, 05:25:26 AM

This is from the last 7 days only?

Yes.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2024, 05:07:27 AM

Check the most active posters. Currently, the top 5-24 is completely filled with only Stake signatures:

This is from the last 7 days only? Bitvest and Elonshitcoin campaigns are currently paused, if I'm not mistaken.

LoyceV

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Check the most active posters. Currently, the top 5-24 is completely filled with only Stake signatures:
5. 126 Hero Member EarnOnVictor (BPIP)
6. 118 Hero Member QueenVera (BPIP)
7. 117 Hero Member Blitzboy (BPIP)
8. 117 Hero Member junder (BPIP)
9. 113 Hero Member Oluwa-btc (BPIP)
10. 109 Hero Member rendravolt (BPIP)
11. 107 Hero Member klidex (BPIP)
12. 104 Hero Member Hirose UK (BPIP)
13. 100 Hero Member maydna (BPIP)
14. 98 Hero Member ethereumhunter (BPIP)
15. 98 Hero Member Docnaster (BPIP)
16. 95 Legendary slapper (BPIP)
17. 92 Hero Member Weawant (BPIP)
18. 91 Legendary piebeyb (BPIP)
19. 90 Hero Member Jody.Drummer (BPIP)
20. 88 Legendary hahay (BPIP)
21. 88 Legendary Hispo (BPIP)
22. 87 Legendary LUCKMCFLY (BPIP)
23. 85 Legendary Dewi Aries (BPIP)
24. 85 Hero Member Fivestar4everMVP (BPIP)
Stake doesn't care who they hire, as long as they post a lot (of BS). Their spam was called out 5 years ago, and it's still going.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 16, 2024, 12:32:29 AM

Why does it matter honestly? What other posters do or don't do has nothing to do with you.

A signature can be a very good first indication whether or not a post is worth reading. If it's Stake, chances are the only thing I do is click Ignore. It's very rare to see one that's worth my time.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on February 16, 2024, 02:38:07 AM

Such topics may increase rivalry among forum members, as the signature campaign with the largest number of spammers means that all its participants are bad and that the campaign manager is lazy.

There are good and bad posters in every campaign under a same campaign manager. You can not generalize things like all campaign participants of a specific campaign are spammers or have excellent post quality that is above other campaigns' participants.

Generalizing like this is too much.

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Merit system was invented to be a solution to the spam problem.

It does not prevent it completely.

It plays its role as barrier against spammers to rank up but when spammers rank up successfully, they can return to spam.