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legendary
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May 28, 2019, 12:22:08 PM
Gone are the days when whales used to manipulate the markets by pumping in a few millions of USD in short period of time. This method is no longer viable now. There are too many exchanges around us, and the daily volumes are being measured in billions. Even now manipulation is theoretically possible, but it requires huge amount of effort and funds.
hero member
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May 28, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
I think that absence of a single center that controls the world of cryptocurrencies its a not a quite real situation. In reality, all objective processes on the planet that have sufficient weight and power are always controlled by some people. Because this center is not publicly available and there is little information about it - this in fact does not change anything.
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 05:11:35 AM
That's why i said we people has power to control the market, but there are many loopholes in the crypto market.
We the people means the majority of us can control the market, but it will not happen if majority of us are not holding majority of the supply.
The word whales are popular because of the fact that they can control the market, they can move it and it could cause a pump or dump, they are doing that and until now.

It's just impossible that if people have the control of the market, there will be no sudden price movement as it's hard for the majority to make the same decision, usually, we differs on interpretation of interest on the market.

Big investor can change the whole market in a day.


We called them whales, and actually they are in control.
sr. member
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May 28, 2019, 05:00:59 AM
Until now no one knows that anyone controls the market or not, but I think that the market in the cryptocurenncy has control but does not know who is in control, but basically this market is controlled by market participants themselves, but I believe that the digital world market exists  controlled by several groups for personal or group interests, when we are small enough to accept anything
ony large investors and speculators that able to controll price in this crypto market.with huge money in their bag they could do anything they want.for example while jp morgan jamie dimmon said bitcoin is fraud btc price down sharply.and then they take advantages to buy it on low price.
full member
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May 28, 2019, 04:25:46 AM
If we clearly talked about the in economic way market control by two terms demand and supply.
These both terms are depend on us ( We people ). For better understanding take an example for bitcoin after 2017 Fork. I mean after invention of BCH, Demand of bitcoin rose tremendously because new people attached to the community.

That's why i said we people has power to control the market, but there are many loopholes in the crypto market. Big investor can change the whole market in a day.
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May 27, 2019, 05:58:39 PM
Until now no one knows that anyone controls the market or not, but I think that the market in the cryptocurenncy has control but does not know who is in control, but basically this market is controlled by market participants themselves, but I believe that the digital world market exists  controlled by several groups for personal or group interests, when we are small enough to accept anything
full member
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May 27, 2019, 05:44:43 PM
In general, no one can control the cryptocurrency market. However, at certain times, holders of large wallets of cryptocurrencies, which are called whales, can influence it. Especially when some of them agree to hold joint actions to achieve a certain result. However, if a certain cryptocurrency is dispersed in small amounts in wallets, then hardly anyone can influence it, everything will depend on a chain of accidents.
hero member
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May 23, 2019, 02:39:59 PM
I am of the view that market prices are determined by crypto users themselves. but for large traders they have a greater contribution to monopolize market prices
Whales can just make higher waves with their trades, but after a storm nice time come again, and we have calm and normal market again. Like you I believe that each of us affect the market in some way, but even many little people can create some big waves. Crypto market should be decentralized, and in some way it is and in some it isnt, but that kind of market cant have control just from one group.
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May 23, 2019, 02:10:28 PM
I am of the view that market prices are determined by crypto users themselves. but for large traders they have a greater contribution to monopolize market prices
hero member
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May 23, 2019, 11:09:08 AM
The crypto community itself controls the market. Every pumping and dumping is made by the people who is in the market. After all cryptocurrency is decentralized and can not be controlled by one person or organization.
I agree with you. But, I want to be more specific. I think that early adopters controls the market mostly, beside them, on the market are market makers from wall street with inside informations about bakkt, fidelity and sec.
Oh I forgot miners, they are huge factor too.
miners have important influence to bitcoin price.if they stop the operation i am sure all bitcoin transaction could be done.and ofcourse it will make bitcoin investors, traders and holder scared about their assets.and whales from wall street will easily controlled market with their resources in market.

There is no reason to stop the mining operations because as per block for each transaction they will be get paid for sure. There is no way to stop the mining first. Then price manipulation mainly happened due to postive and negative news, whales malfunction and adoption. These three reasons are major factor to decide the marketplace presence for any coin.
sr. member
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May 23, 2019, 10:57:38 AM
The crypto community itself controls the market. Every pumping and dumping is made by the people who is in the market. After all cryptocurrency is decentralized and can not be controlled by one person or organization.
I agree with you. But, I want to be more specific. I think that early adopters controls the market mostly, beside them, on the market are market makers from wall street with inside informations about bakkt, fidelity and sec.
Oh I forgot miners, they are huge factor too.
miners have important influence to bitcoin price.if they stop the operation i am sure all bitcoin transaction could be done.and ofcourse it will make bitcoin investors, traders and holder scared about their assets.and whales from wall street will easily controlled market with their resources in market.
sr. member
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May 23, 2019, 10:36:47 AM
The crypto community itself controls the market. Every pumping and dumping is made by the people who is in the market. After all cryptocurrency is decentralized and can not be controlled by one person or organization.
I agree with you. But, I want to be more specific. I think that early adopters controls the market mostly, beside them, on the market are market makers from wall street with inside informations about bakkt, fidelity and sec.
Oh I forgot miners, they are huge factor too.
sr. member
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May 23, 2019, 09:53:10 AM
The crypto community itself controls the market. Every pumping and dumping is made by the people who is in the market. After all cryptocurrency is decentralized and can not be controlled by one person or organization.
hero member
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May 23, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
I'm not sure that everything is decentralized. I think that big players can influence the market very much. And indicate the direction of the price.

Yes it is true that big players in the market has a big control, they can manipulate and influence others to buy more of the coins depending on their way of how they gonna do it. Especially the market in cryptocurrency when bitcoin bounce its price majority of the altcoins dump and its an opportunity for the investors to buy when the market is deep.
They are not controlling the market but they are playing with the mind of traders which can influence the market as well in the way they want.This could be the problem of decentralized system but it is not going to create anything big in the long term effect all they do is short term changes which can be nullified if the people are clear about what they are doing.
Exactly, they cannot fully control all issues in this market when the market is too big and the resources they have are very limited but a psychological game, a trap to deceive people's psychology is still possible with the resources they have. The manipulation of news, media and some signals, all is enough for the minds of people to get more influence and change decisions in important moments, although this scenario is always very similar but players with large amounts of money still make that plan very successful up to this point
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May 23, 2019, 08:52:20 AM
I'm not sure that everything is decentralized. I think that big players can influence the market very much. And indicate the direction of the price.

Yes it is true that big players in the market has a big control, they can manipulate and influence others to buy more of the coins depending on their way of how they gonna do it. Especially the market in cryptocurrency when bitcoin bounce its price majority of the altcoins dump and its an opportunity for the investors to buy when the market is deep.
They are not controlling the market but they are playing with the mind of traders which can influence the market as well in the way they want.This could be the problem of decentralized system but it is not going to create anything big in the long term effect all they do is short term changes which can be nullified if the people are clear about what they are doing.
Well said, playing with the minds of traders will be done often to get the good profit. When there is some drop in price common users tend to buy, but the mentality will be lead to fluctuate with some form of negative news that price might fall even low to it. Hearing this users tend to invest at a lower price and the same will be used for bulk investing by the whales causing steep growth. This transition in users mind done by the whales is the control of the market.
copper member
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May 23, 2019, 05:47:02 AM
Just said that. Many of these things are not known. It was good to know the new topic for that. However, yes the market is managed or managed. It is not that most people eager to know. Everyone wants to earn profits.
full member
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May 23, 2019, 05:08:38 AM
Some are of the mind that cryptocurrency market is controlled by some group of people or a single body just as any other centralized platform. There is no single body in full control over the cryptocurrency market. Cryptocurrency market is decentralized which means that the affairs are run by the activities of individual traders on the market.

yes it moves because of the high activity or demand in the cryptocurrency market, but we also can still assume that it can still be controlled by people who have a lot of money to make the market pumping and those who hold lots of crypto that will make a big dump if they sell all at the same time
manipulation is not an easy job, and of course they can get a big loss for doing so, especially for now there are so many markets to manipulate, and of course, it is really risky. as far as I'm concerned, they might be able to raise prices by buying it and use the media. it's just that it also requires a lot of money. anyone who can control the market, surely they are big players.
Manipulation is easy and all you need to do is to buy bigger amounts of coins if you want to up the price of a certain coin or the entire market but if you want to dump the price you must do the opposite which is to sell  .

 Yes its risky but i think manipulators dont care if they will loose of not and they are going to be happy as soon as thier manipulation was succesful  .

hero member
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May 23, 2019, 04:33:36 AM
Some are of the mind that cryptocurrency market is controlled by some group of people or a single body just as any other centralized platform. There is no single body in full control over the cryptocurrency market. Cryptocurrency market is decentralized which means that the affairs are run by the activities of individual traders on the market.

yes it moves because of the high activity or demand in the cryptocurrency market, but we also can still assume that it can still be controlled by people who have a lot of money to make the market pumping and those who hold lots of crypto that will make a big dump if they sell all at the same time
manipulation is not an easy job, and of course they can get a big loss for doing so, especially for now there are so many markets to manipulate, and of course, it is really risky. as far as I'm concerned, they might be able to raise prices by buying it and use the media. it's just that it also requires a lot of money. anyone who can control the market, surely they are big players.
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May 23, 2019, 02:29:46 AM
I'm not sure that everything is decentralized. I think that big players can influence the market very much. And indicate the direction of the price.

Yes it is true that big players in the market has a big control, they can manipulate and influence others to buy more of the coins depending on their way of how they gonna do it. Especially the market in cryptocurrency when bitcoin bounce its price majority of the altcoins dump and its an opportunity for the investors to buy when the market is deep.
They are not controlling the market but they are playing with the mind of traders which can influence the market as well in the way they want.This could be the problem of decentralized system but it is not going to create anything big in the long term effect all they do is short term changes which can be nullified if the people are clear about what they are doing.
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May 23, 2019, 01:18:15 AM
Some are of the mind that cryptocurrency market is controlled by some group of people or a single body just as any other centralized platform. There is no single body in full control over the cryptocurrency market. Cryptocurrency market is decentralized which means that the affairs are run by the activities of individual traders on the market.

yes it moves because of the high activity or demand in the cryptocurrency market, but we also can still assume that it can still be controlled by people who have a lot of money to make the market pumping and those who hold lots of crypto that will make a big dump if they sell all at the same time
to be controlled by someone who has large funds, I don't think it will last long and is temporary. this happens because not many people use bitcoin, so it's easier to manipulate
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