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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 11, 2022, 04:31:56 PM

I think that here those who win in the war are those who first provide weapons (their manufacture) and economic entities by nature, those who have the resources such as:

1.-Gas
2.-Oil
3.-Gasoline

In this order, I think they will be the main winners, because it is obvious that all this will explode with a clear lack of almost a continent that will need these resources, and most of them have a high consumption of them, so I think that this war, like any war It will make rich many who have a monopoly or business model, which in this case are the nations with the greatest export capacity.

I think that every country already has a weapon in stock with them in preparation for a surprise attack so they might not need a new weapon from their supplier and for the gas and oil, it was said that Russia has a lot of them but Russia has been put into sanctions right now. They cant export these goods so making money and getting rich is not possible for them, same with other countries, they are also blocked from exporting their goods to Russia.

What some users said here was true that there is no real winner from wars. Aside from the two countries that are now damaged, the other countries are also affected but I think Russia won't care at all about this but they are happy that they did what they want.

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Quote from: Wolfencloud on March 08, 2022, 04:41:47 AM

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Its obvious that weapon manufacturers are the one who gains a lot when there is a war since they are the suppliers of ammo and guns used in war. No one really gets benefits in war beside them, a lot of people loses a family member in a war, a country loses a lot of soldiers, and soldiers loses confidence.

War manufacturing is not worth than the lives of the innocent people. They can't just hope for the war so that their deadly weapon industry booms.
Personally, i would say that no one gains from war.

But the question here is who gain's from war? Obviously the weapon manufacturers because they are the one responsible for the weaponry of the military. Nations pay them for weapon supply for sure, without them maybe the weapons used in wars are still both axes and swords or spears. But I agree, people that is affected by this war will not gain anything.

I have to agree, the manufacturers of these armed weapons have gained from this war, and no one else. Both Ukraine and Russia have their own casualties. Deaths and damages of all infrastructures have become worst as the war continues. I just hope that this war will soon be stop because we can't afford to see lot of children losing their families, the nation will certainly be full of the cries of all victims.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on February 24, 2022, 02:46:39 AM

I'm right here, Argument with my mate about the current invasion by Russia in Ukraine.
He just told me countries make money from war, could it be the journalist alone ? Government who please, I'm juvenile at this.

Different people gain and lose different things from wars, it is extremely fluid. Companies in the defense industry are likely to see a short to medium term spike which benefits them. Politicians who tell their armies to fight at the highest levels are often far beyond wanting any monetary riches from it, certain wars become ideological and are based on power projection, even if they do come across as incompetent they can kill a lot of people in the process. There are plenty of industries that also suffer from war, like we see record oil prices right now (bad for the general consumer) and there may be disruption to certain commodities like wheat or precious metals. In such cases mining companies who can supply from a further limited source may do well.

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I think that here those who win in the war are those who first provide weapons (their manufacture) and economic entities by nature, those who have the resources such as:

1.-Gas
2.-Oil
3.-Gasoline

In this order, I think they will be the main winners, because it is obvious that all this will explode with a clear lack of almost a continent that will need these resources, and most of them have a high consumption of them, so I think that this war, like any war It will make rich many who have a monopoly or business model, which in this case are the nations with the greatest export capacity.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 08, 2022, 03:34:05 AM

Quote from: Furious 7 on March 07, 2022, 11:51:35 AM

Quote from: raidarksword on March 06, 2022, 02:48:27 PM

The government who supplies the equipments will be the one who gain all of these tragic events and it is true that on war it involves money and greed as well. Citizens on both countries are the casualties and the real victims here, they are the most affected, lossing innocent lives.

Because it's apart from money and power then what else. it's not just the state, almost everyone is fighting for it.
But quite agree with what you say when talking about victims of course People on both sides are the real victims.
Don't think that Russian society is not suffering now. Although they were not greatly harmed by the devastating effects of war, the sanctions from countries that are criticizing Russia now will surely have an effect on their citizens as well.

The fact that both countries have their own damages and numerous deaths, so none of them really gains from this war. Putin has certainly made a very wrong decision that even put all his citizens suffer from the aftermath of this war. Sometimes, good leaders do not act as one. They tend to become foolish leaders who will experience severe consequences of their actions. And at the end of the day, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."- George Santayana-1922

On a leader that does have those kind of intents on invasion other places which they do believe that they could able to do so without even thinking on what would be the effects or consequences

and people been saying that War is a business which is somewhat part true but what would be the cost or effect? Its human lives which it isnt really something that shouldnt really be put on risk on.
Hopefully this war would be over because not only economic state is been affected but also wasting up peoples lives.

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Quote from: arwin100 on March 07, 2022, 06:32:32 AM

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Quote from: Vaskiy on March 06, 2022, 06:46:45 PM

The war could happen for different reasons. Most of the time war happen out of border conflicts. This time the war is happening to show power to the world.

Who benefits out of the war? it is always the country that manufactures weapons and necessary things for armed forces. Whenever there happens a war, each country will be backed by more other countries. Same as that this time Ukraine have got good support, and Russia is almost left alone. If I'm not wrong this time the war is made more sensible with the digital attack than armed forces.

Russia received sanctioned from different countries but still pushing forward.

While Ukraine continues getting worse damages, even the support is there, but protecting their homelands is far different,
they are suffering and if this war will continue for much longer time, they will collapse. No one wins aside from those who
manufactured weapons sad but more sufferings for people who only hope to live peacefully.

Russia really prepared all of this before they invaded Ukraine,
so that we can see for ourselves that when many countries in the world impose sanctions on Russia it is not a big problem that can hinder them from carrying out this invasion,
I hope that elite people from both sides can have diplomacy and end this war because after all, humanity is above all else

They impose sanction but Russian doesn't make this a big deal they know they play important role on global economy and look what happen inflation rate got higher because the price of oil soar up because of this war. So its best for this Ukraine should surrender because no other country help them in battle and other country which is their what they called ally just watching them dying in the war. I know they give fire arms or other support to Ukraine but this is not enough to defeat Russia.

Well in the long term russia will effectively win if they take Ukraine as it's about world domination of land for Russia, it always has been. Easy to speculate about the money side, from being in the UK as well as having a base in west Ukraine, it's easy to see to British officials are clearly in the pockets of the Russians and vice versa. Just look at Rees mog who sold all his rubles a week before the war. More noticeable is Chelsea owner who has close ties with Putin liquidated some funds and put his club up for sale, sure he will be well of selling the materials to Russia for the tanks. The uk is stalling now to sort all their oligarch friends out, but yeah war makes the rich richer and the loser? Ukraine Nationalism? We know you can't kill an idea of it's strong enough. But yeah I love Ukraine and will go back soon, don't mind Russia taking Kyiv as long as it's called kievrus again or something along those Viking lines.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 08, 2022, 03:34:05 AM

Quote from: Furious 7 on March 07, 2022, 11:51:35 AM

Because it's apart from money and power then what else. it's not just the state, almost everyone is fighting for it.
But quite agree with what you say when talking about victims of course People on both sides are the real victims.
Don't think that Russian society is not suffering now. Although they were not greatly harmed by the devastating effects of war, the sanctions from countries that are criticizing Russia now will surely have an effect on their citizens as well.

The fact that both countries have their own damages and numerous deaths, so none of them really gains from this war. Putin has certainly made a very wrong decision that even put all his citizens suffer from the aftermath of this war. Sometimes, good leaders do not act as one. They tend to become foolish leaders who will experience severe consequences of their actions. And at the end of the day, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."- George Santayana-1922

But on the other hand we also can't make this stop right now because as long as Putin gives a verdict, it will be an absolute order for his country and for his army.
He has the power and it would be very difficult to make this stop halfway. Because when the drums of war have been said then one of them has to lose if this is to end and of course Ukraine and Russia don't want them to admit defeat now.
Damage on both sides is indeed an effect but no one can prevent it unless there must be one who loses or there is a middle point that is stronger than the two of them but if you look at the current strength there is no one that can be used as a middle point for Russia

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Quote from: Imranbutt44 on March 06, 2022, 12:34:34 PM

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Its obvious that weapon manufacturers are the one who gains a lot when there is a war since they are the suppliers of ammo and guns used in war. No one really gets benefits in war beside them, a lot of people loses a family member in a war, a country loses a lot of soldiers, and soldiers loses confidence.

War manufacturing is not worth than the lives of the innocent people. They can't just hope for the war so that their deadly weapon industry booms.
Personally, i would say that no one gains from war.

But the question here is who gain's from war? Obviously the weapon manufacturers because they are the one responsible for the weaponry of the military. Nations pay them for weapon supply for sure, without them maybe the weapons used in wars are still both axes and swords or spears. But I agree, people that is affected by this war will not gain anything.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 07, 2022, 11:51:35 AM

Quote from: raidarksword on March 06, 2022, 02:48:27 PM

The government who supplies the equipments will be the one who gain all of these tragic events and it is true that on war it involves money and greed as well. Citizens on both countries are the casualties and the real victims here, they are the most affected, lossing innocent lives.

Because it's apart from money and power then what else. it's not just the state, almost everyone is fighting for it.
But quite agree with what you say when talking about victims of course People on both sides are the real victims.
Don't think that Russian society is not suffering now. Although they were not greatly harmed by the devastating effects of war, the sanctions from countries that are criticizing Russia now will surely have an effect on their citizens as well.

The fact that both countries have their own damages and numerous deaths, so none of them really gains from this war. Putin has certainly made a very wrong decision that even put all his citizens suffer from the aftermath of this war. Sometimes, good leaders do not act as one. They tend to become foolish leaders who will experience severe consequences of their actions. And at the end of the day, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."- George Santayana-1922

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Those who impose sanctions against Russia will have a huge hit on economy also. Those countries and companies have lost huge sales market, as Russia is huge. I dont know to who them will sale all the products they have produced. They can stop productions, but they will have to fire employees and keep only minimum amount of them. If less people buy products, but company expect to get same year profit, then what will they do? Increase price or close down. Example - what happens to a shop if customers dont visit it, or you get 10 customers instead of 30 daily?

I dont understand people who think "we will ban Russian goods and wont import our goods them. We will impose sanction". They will suffer from it also. I am already feeling fuel and product price increase, and it is getting worse.

Increasing the price of the product would lead them to a more loss because there are less or no people will buy the product. Firing some employee sounds harsh because someone will lose a job, stopping the business completely is the worst idea because no more income a company can get but I think the best option, for now, is to reduce the price. They can still sell the products in unaffected countries.

Russia is not the only country in the world, we need to remember that but I think there is another way to punish the people that are involved and push the war, not only in the form of sanctions because its effect is not direct to the people that deserves it.

The Europe, that impose a lot of sanctions is already suffering from a boomerang effect. High petrol prices lead to price increase in all areas. Gas prices in Europe has exceeded $4k. So far Russia supplies Europe with gas at old price (but could have changed it to a current price - but they did not do it). You can expect next winter (or the winter of 2024) to be tough, if countries did not made "cheap" gas reserves.

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Quote from: bakasabo on March 07, 2022, 04:02:49 AM

Those who impose sanctions against Russia will have a huge hit on economy also. Those countries and companies have lost huge sales market, as Russia is huge. I dont know to who them will sale all the products they have produced. They can stop productions, but they will have to fire employees and keep only minimum amount of them. If less people buy products, but company expect to get same year profit, then what will they do? Increase price or close down. Example - what happens to a shop if customers dont visit it, or you get 10 customers instead of 30 daily?

I dont understand people who think "we will ban Russian goods and wont import our goods them. We will impose sanction". They will suffer from it also. I am already feeling fuel and product price increase, and it is getting worse.

Increasing the price of the product would lead them to a more loss because there are less or no people will buy the product. Firing some employee sounds harsh because someone will lose a job, stopping the business completely is the worst idea because no more income a company can get but I think the best option, for now, is to reduce the price. They can still sell the products in unaffected countries.

Russia is not the only country in the world, we need to remember that but I think there is another way to punish the people that are involved and push the war, not only in the form of sanctions because its effect is not direct to the people that deserves it.

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Quote from: raidarksword on March 06, 2022, 02:48:27 PM

The government who supplies the equipments will be the one who gain all of these tragic events and it is true that on war it involves money and greed as well. Citizens on both countries are the casualties and the real victims here, they are the most affected, lossing innocent lives.

Because it's apart from money and power then what else. it's not just the state, almost everyone is fighting for it.
But quite agree with what you say when talking about victims of course People on both sides are the real victims.
Don't think that Russian society is not suffering now. Although they were not greatly harmed by the devastating effects of war, the sanctions from countries that are criticizing Russia now will surely have an effect on their citizens as well.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on March 07, 2022, 02:23:37 AM

Quote from: judaspriest on March 06, 2022, 11:26:28 PM

Russia really prepared all of this before they invaded Ukraine,
so that we can see for ourselves that when many countries in the world impose sanctions on Russia it is not a big problem that can hinder them from carrying out this invasion,
I hope that elite people from both sides can have diplomacy and end this war because after all, humanity is above all else

Because Russia knows that Ukraine was just easy for them to win and that is why they still moving in despite the sanctions. If Russia won't stop and won't listen to the other leaders, I don't know what will happen to Ukraine and to their economy. I was expecting an absolute distraction if ever they push it. As this war has no good results, in the end, it only creates anger and hatred. I will think that the next generation will do the same if their issue won't resolve.

The difference is that, Russia has a much much bigger military, but they have two options for winning, either do not care about what people say and the aftermath and go just bomb every single place and just destroy the whole nation and buildings and everything and march right in with every single available soldier (and even reserves) and just completely destroy them but then have those sanctions and hatred for centuries, or just sit down on the table and talk your way into getting Ukraine to accept the demands, which looks difficult.

Since, they can't do both right now, they are just attacking mildly, that may look like a big thing to you, but the "full power" of Russia is much worse than this, and that is why it is not the full power of Russia right now.

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Quote from: judaspriest on March 06, 2022, 11:26:28 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on March 06, 2022, 11:13:32 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on March 06, 2022, 06:46:45 PM

The war could happen for different reasons. Most of the time war happen out of border conflicts. This time the war is happening to show power to the world.

Who benefits out of the war? it is always the country that manufactures weapons and necessary things for armed forces. Whenever there happens a war, each country will be backed by more other countries. Same as that this time Ukraine have got good support, and Russia is almost left alone. If I'm not wrong this time the war is made more sensible with the digital attack than armed forces.

Russia received sanctioned from different countries but still pushing forward.

While Ukraine continues getting worse damages, even the support is there, but protecting their homelands is far different,
they are suffering and if this war will continue for much longer time, they will collapse. No one wins aside from those who
manufactured weapons sad but more sufferings for people who only hope to live peacefully.

Russia really prepared all of this before they invaded Ukraine,
so that we can see for ourselves that when many countries in the world impose sanctions on Russia it is not a big problem that can hinder them from carrying out this invasion,
I hope that elite people from both sides can have diplomacy and end this war because after all, humanity is above all else

They impose sanction but Russian doesn't make this a big deal they know they play important role on global economy and look what happen inflation rate got higher because the price of oil soar up because of this war. So its best for this Ukraine should surrender because no other country help them in battle and other country which is their what they called ally just watching them dying in the war. I know they give fire arms or other support to Ukraine but this is not enough to defeat Russia.

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Quote from: Roy Asher on March 07, 2022, 03:52:37 AM

The economies of both sides of the war will collapse and fall, the Russian economy will be sanctioned by various countries, and the people of Ukraine have stopped working and people will enter the air-raid shelter or be evacuated. The economy will collapse even more, and they can only accept foreign humanitarian donations. The war has not only brought about economic losses and people's lives, but the soldiers of both countries have their own families and their own tasks, and the people between the two countries are innocent.

Those who impose sanctions against Russia will have a huge hit on economy also. Those countries and companies have lost huge sales market, as Russia is huge. I dont know to who them will sale all the products they have produced. They can stop productions, but they will have to fire employees and keep only minimum amount of them. If less people buy products, but company expect to get same year profit, then what will they do? Increase price or close down. Example - what happens to a shop if customers dont visit it, or you get 10 customers instead of 30 daily?

I dont understand people who think "we will ban Russian goods and wont import our goods them. We will impose sanction". They will suffer from it also. I am already feeling fuel and product price increase, and it is getting worse.

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The economies of both sides of the war will collapse and fall, the Russian economy will be sanctioned by various countries, and the people of Ukraine have stopped working and people will enter the air-raid shelter or be evacuated. The economy will collapse even more, and they can only accept foreign humanitarian donations. The war has not only brought about economic losses and people's lives, but the soldiers of both countries have their own families and their own tasks, and the people between the two countries are innocent.

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Quote from: judaspriest on March 06, 2022, 11:26:28 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on March 06, 2022, 11:13:32 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on March 06, 2022, 06:46:45 PM

The war could happen for different reasons. Most of the time war happen out of border conflicts. This time the war is happening to show power to the world.

Who benefits out of the war? it is always the country that manufactures weapons and necessary things for armed forces. Whenever there happens a war, each country will be backed by more other countries. Same as that this time Ukraine have got good support, and Russia is almost left alone. If I'm not wrong this time the war is made more sensible with the digital attack than armed forces.

Russia received sanctioned from different countries but still pushing forward.

While Ukraine continues getting worse damages, even the support is there, but protecting their homelands is far different,
they are suffering and if this war will continue for much longer time, they will collapse. No one wins aside from those who
manufactured weapons sad but more sufferings for people who only hope to live peacefully.

Russia really prepared all of this before they invaded Ukraine,
so that we can see for ourselves that when many countries in the world impose sanctions on Russia it is not a big problem that can hinder them from carrying out this invasion,
I hope that elite people from both sides can have diplomacy and end this war because after all, humanity is above all else

Because Russia knows that Ukraine was just easy for them to win and that is why they still moving in despite the sanctions. If Russia won't stop and won't listen to the other leaders, I don't know what will happen to Ukraine and to their economy. I was expecting an absolute distraction if ever they push it. As this war has no good results, in the end, it only creates anger and hatred. I will think that the next generation will do the same if their issue won't resolve.

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Quote from: Pamadar on March 06, 2022, 11:13:32 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on March 06, 2022, 06:46:45 PM

The war could happen for different reasons. Most of the time war happen out of border conflicts. This time the war is happening to show power to the world.

Who benefits out of the war? it is always the country that manufactures weapons and necessary things for armed forces. Whenever there happens a war, each country will be backed by more other countries. Same as that this time Ukraine have got good support, and Russia is almost left alone. If I'm not wrong this time the war is made more sensible with the digital attack than armed forces.

Russia received sanctioned from different countries but still pushing forward.

While Ukraine continues getting worse damages, even the support is there, but protecting their homelands is far different,
they are suffering and if this war will continue for much longer time, they will collapse. No one wins aside from those who
manufactured weapons sad but more sufferings for people who only hope to live peacefully.

Russia really prepared all of this before they invaded Ukraine,
so that we can see for ourselves that when many countries in the world impose sanctions on Russia it is not a big problem that can hinder them from carrying out this invasion,
I hope that elite people from both sides can have diplomacy and end this war because after all, humanity is above all else

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Quote from: Vaskiy on March 06, 2022, 06:46:45 PM

The war could happen for different reasons. Most of the time war happen out of border conflicts. This time the war is happening to show power to the world.

Who benefits out of the war? it is always the country that manufactures weapons and necessary things for armed forces. Whenever there happens a war, each country will be backed by more other countries. Same as that this time Ukraine have got good support, and Russia is almost left alone. If I'm not wrong this time the war is made more sensible with the digital attack than armed forces.

Russia received sanctioned from different countries but still pushing forward.

While Ukraine continues getting worse damages, even the support is there, but protecting their homelands is far different,
they are suffering and if this war will continue for much longer time, they will collapse. No one wins aside from those who
manufactured weapons sad but more sufferings for people who only hope to live peacefully.

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Quote from: Bollexz1 on March 06, 2022, 06:27:30 PM

War is bad and it isn't good for any nation. Well of course, Ukraine might get to rebuild their nation with free money after the war comes to an end but that will take them years and for Russia, they will surely pay dearly for theirs.

Russia is self sustaining country and for sure they will get over with it then can came back immediately after those sanctions end.

What I think for now is Ukraine should surrender to Russia since they cannot really win if they go head to head battle with Russia so that there will be no more lives will be waste for this nonsense war. What Putin only want is they shouldn't join NATO so I guess they should do it for peace sake and so that they can end this war.

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