Who is really controlling the Bitcoin market. - page 4.

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Quote from: coupable on February 01, 2022, 04:18:07 PM

Quote from: HodlerKing101 on February 01, 2022, 05:56:04 AM

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Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

I don't think it's because of China by any mean. Besides the China ban the use of bitcoin, we saw how many other powerful institutions, governments and big companies adopt the use of bitcoin including India who announced recently the legalization of bitcoin in addition to Chile and El Salvador.
I can understand how people ask about how this market can be controlled, but i know that bitcoin is like to other products can be influenced by the global world economy .

India has recently legalized crypto.. that means you do not go to jail holding some anymore… Chile.. I dont know.. El Salvador.. the experiment is an utter failure, I mean the country is a failure and has not managed to even provide a legal tender to its citizen and my guess is that they will soon undo this move.. they created a “special” btc which is not fungible to normal btc or USD.. so.. it is really not BTC.
I do not feel that BTC is a success story but rather mean it will drift off into a forgotten backwater.

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Quote from: HodlerKing101 on February 01, 2022, 05:56:04 AM

Quote from: CDC AP on January 29, 2022, 12:45:28 PM

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

I don't think it's because of China by any mean. Besides the China ban the use of bitcoin, we saw how many other powerful institutions, governments and big companies adopt the use of bitcoin including India who announced recently the legalization of bitcoin in addition to Chile and El Salvador.
I can understand how people ask about how this market can be controlled, but i know that bitcoin is like to other products can be influenced by the global world economy .

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Quote from: HodlerKing101 on February 01, 2022, 05:56:04 AM

Quote from: CDC AP on January 29, 2022, 12:45:28 PM

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

You not checking about the market condition after announcement by China exactly with bad news like bitcoin banned and make price dump, I think have several whales and billionaire how they can controlling with bitcoin price when have to dump and pump. I know still have investor keep holding bitcoin assets but they always as panic selling whales make bad news and price dump, after they have got chance bitcoin on lower price next as opportunity how to make good news with bitcoin and price pump drastically few days later and keep repeat this strategies on every time.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on January 27, 2022, 07:42:55 AM

Elon Musk can only influence the market with his tweets but he cannot move the market. The real manipulators are exchanges who are just playing with our money. They know all the order books and stop placements and move the market to hunt the stops and/or liquidate the futures traders. Also, there are big whales who move the market according to their will to gain profits.

Exactly. Exchanges are the ones who move the market in their favor. While most people lose money during a bearish market, these big players (exchanges) are the ones who win in the long run. The ups and downs in price, makes a great opportunity for profit. Not like stocks which are much more stable in price. The main problem here is the lack of regulation. If the crypto market was as regulated as the stocks market, do you think there would be heavy manipulation by the aforementioned entities?

At least, the core Blockchain technology is decentralized. It doesn't matter if the market is controlled by a few, as long as crypto/Blockchain tech stays decentralized. With alternative solutions like decentralized exchanges and atomic swaps, we'd have nothing to worry about. Bitcoin is the main mover on the market, so if it goes up, other cryptocurrencies will do the same. Just my thoughts Grin

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Quote from: CDC AP on January 29, 2022, 12:45:28 PM

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

Bro, I really feel I have been controlling the market recently. Every time I buy the price goes down and every time I sell it goes really high. It's not China apparently. LOL I have been buying DAO Maker recently because they release a news that they're more open now, which means everyone can join their token sales with or without staking their token. But then the price continuously goes down, but wth, we'll hodl and never sell

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Quote from: smartaction on January 29, 2022, 10:38:15 PM

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

But the question is, who is controlling the crypto market or the price of bitcoin.
I must say, there are many investors now, big institutional investors and even some governments in a few countries have been investing in bitcoin now because they saw the potential and I think, they are one of the causes who are controlling the market price when they sell, the market will move and when they bough bitcoin the market also has a reaction.

Actually, no one controls the market, when there are also a few people who get FUD and panic selling, they will create a longer bitcoin price movement.

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manipulation in the crypto world is how you react to it, if you feel cheated then you are cheated, if you don't feel cheated then you should assume this is a normal condition in trading, especially with bitcoin because it is "natural". " fluctuate
when viewed in terms of the influence of price movements, various opinions will be born from every observer or trader because they are part of the analysis.
please wait for the price of bitcoin to fall, and when the price is down to buy and this is also part of the "buy when the price goes down, sell when the price goes up" strategy
digest analysis very wisely

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Quote from: Prosector on February 01, 2022, 01:02:15 AM

It takes a person to be highly intelligent to manipulate the crypto market. While there are chances of the market getting manipulated, we cannot say that there are many. It’s quite secure and not easy for just anyone to make changes to the whole system.

Less intelligent people will have no idea if what is manipulation so they wont try it. They wont risk their millions or billions to buy btc when btc is down because for them it is risky but intelligent people will think of the opposite. They wont feel scared after seeing a huge dump in the market but they will risk more, buying more btc because they know that they can benefit with this better than what the small investors are going to get when the market returns.

When someone sees the market is in green they will then ride it because they expect that it will continue above but they do not know that manipulators are after them. Until now manipulators are growing the more the popular btc is.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on February 01, 2022, 02:12:35 AM

Quote from: smartaction on January 29, 2022, 10:38:15 PM

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

Bitcoin price does move based on supply and demand, so as you said the price of Bitcoin will increase if more people buy it. Then the price of
Bitcoin will decrease even more if more people sell it. So the price of Bitcoin moves naturally according to what is happening in the market,
therefore the price of Bitcoin is very volatile and difficult to predict. The volatile Bitcoin price allows Bitcoin to be used as an asset, different from
fiat whose prices are stable. That's why the popularity of Bitcoin is increasing, because storing Bitcoin is much more profitable than storing fiat.
The conclusion is very difficult if individuals or groups control the price of Bitcoin, because the Bitcoin market is already so large, so need a large
amount of Bitcoin if anyone wants to control the price of Bitcoin.

Supply and demand of bitcoin controlled by billionaire where called by whales and they can make price dump or pump suddenly, I think good when have company adopt bitcoin as legal payment and try to be investor but have bad side when they have thousand bitcoin assets in his wallet, they can controlling bitcoin market what they want to do, if want get profit and bitcoin pump higher price all their assets sold and buy back later when price dump, easy for controlling bitcoin price if have thousand bitcoin assets in his wallet.

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Quote from: smartaction on January 29, 2022, 10:38:15 PM

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

Bitcoin price does move based on supply and demand, so as you said the price of Bitcoin will increase if more people buy it. Then the price of
Bitcoin will decrease even more if more people sell it. So the price of Bitcoin moves naturally according to what is happening in the market,
therefore the price of Bitcoin is very volatile and difficult to predict. The volatile Bitcoin price allows Bitcoin to be used as an asset, different from
fiat whose prices are stable. That's why the popularity of Bitcoin is increasing, because storing Bitcoin is much more profitable than storing fiat.
The conclusion is very difficult if individuals or groups control the price of Bitcoin, because the Bitcoin market is already so large, so need a large
amount of Bitcoin if anyone wants to control the price of Bitcoin.

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It takes a person to be highly intelligent to manipulate the crypto market. While there are chances of the market getting manipulated, we cannot say that there are many. It’s quite secure and not easy for just anyone to make changes to the whole system.

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Quote from: smartaction on January 29, 2022, 10:38:15 PM

Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

I completely agree with your tautologies hehe..
What you say is a like saying: "to become rich, always sell high and buy low"!.. That is also incredibly intelligent.. but totally useless. What I say is, that, in my opinion.. fewer people will hold, buy, get into BTC.. because of these 4 negative points.

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Bitcoin is controlled by people like you and me who believe in Bitcoin and want to collect Bitcoin. If we all start selling Bitcoin then it will definitely go down in price. And if we continue to buy Bitcoin without selling it, its price will definitely go up. And it always happens that everything depends on people like us.There is no miracle behind it he he

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Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

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If by "control" we mean the actual ownership and management of a large number of bitcoins - then everyone can see these wallets and their activity. So what's wrong with this "control"? Everyone had a chance, and for some long time after the "birth" of bitcoin, to buy it or get it very simply and cheaply. Few people took advantage of this chance, but they exist and it just so happens that it is a historical fact that their control is the same as the owners of the shares of any digital company.

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Quote from: peterpanda on January 25, 2022, 12:48:51 PM

We know that Bitcoin is a decentralized crypto but sometimes it may be manipulated. We, general people are not able to do that without strong community. Influencers are playing vital role there and making good benefits of it. If I mention other factor and this will be bad news from any raptured country where Bitcoin is available.

Always even though Bitcoin has its own advantages as you say, but some roles can still intervene, although it cannot be directly but can be seen from some of them, which results in Bitcoin can be as controlled.
But indeed that is the reality that happens and we cannot avoid such a thing, it is an economic law that has occurred by itself. Almost all sectors will definitely occur like this is no exception in Crypto, but clearly the role made is by something strong simultaneously not individuals.

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Quote from: taufik123 on January 26, 2022, 04:59:15 PM

Quote from: Slow death on January 26, 2022, 04:55:31 PM

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

a billionaire who has many followers, of course, when he says something, others will follow him. without the need to spend a lot of money can already manipulate the bitcoin market, it is only enough to make 1 tweet about bitcoin then bitcoin will go up in price.
but no one really completely controls the bitcoin market.

You are right, a multimillionaire can only manipulate a certain part of the market, because to move the market billions of dollars are needed to make an important movement, however when it comes to manipulation there is a conglomerate of things that many ignore, such as news, statements by influencers, celebrities, where they make those who are not billionaires move the market to whatever he or the strong hands want, at least I know that this is a type of manipulation, because just manipulating one person is too much money and although if there are people like that, it is somewhat difficult.

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Quote from: Oasisman on January 27, 2022, 07:27:43 AM

Quote from: taufik123 on January 26, 2022, 04:59:15 PM

Quote from: Slow death on January 26, 2022, 04:55:31 PM

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

a billionaire who has many followers, of course, when he says something, others will follow him. without the need to spend a lot of money can already manipulate the bitcoin market, it is only enough to make 1 tweet about bitcoin then bitcoin will go up in price.
but no one really completely controls the bitcoin market.

I assume you're referring to Elon Musk?
I guess his crypto influence has been cool down, as everybody already knew that he's just trying control and manipulate the market, especially those alts that he choose to pump.
I don't think he can do it with Bitcoin. His tweets means nothing now compared before when he pumped Doge and now he's trying it again with Shib, but then again with Bitcoin? I don't think he can.

Elon Musk can only influence the market with his tweets but he cannot move the market. The real manipulators are exchanges who are just playing with our money. They know all the order books and stop placements and move the market to hunt the stops and/or liquidate the futures traders. Also, there are big whales who move the market according to their will to gain profits.

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Quote from: taufik123 on January 26, 2022, 04:59:15 PM

Quote from: Slow death on January 26, 2022, 04:55:31 PM

there is each question stranger than the other every day in this section. why talk about bitcoin market manipulation when we already have a big money market? OP I had already posted here but forgot to add that there was a billionaire who makes cars who managed to manipulate the market, but he managed to manipulate the market without him having spent a lot and a lot of money, he just talked about his company accepting bitcoin as a method of payments that later people rushed to buy bitcoin

a billionaire who has many followers, of course, when he says something, others will follow him. without the need to spend a lot of money can already manipulate the bitcoin market, it is only enough to make 1 tweet about bitcoin then bitcoin will go up in price.
but no one really completely controls the bitcoin market.

I assume you're referring to Elon Musk?
I guess his crypto influence has been cool down, as everybody already knew that he's just trying control and manipulate the market, especially those alts that he choose to pump.
I don't think he can do it with Bitcoin. His tweets means nothing now compared before when he pumped Doge and now he's trying it again with Shib, but then again with Bitcoin? I don't think he can.

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