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Quote from: haasanjui on December 31, 2021, 01:36:18 PM

Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

Really? How would you prove that? Bitcoin can't be controlled by someone since no one owns it but I think what do you mean is China has been manipulating the price of bitcoin since they have 4 bigger investors just like you said. Then, can you explain why they are so against it that they kept throwing fud like banning this and that?

I think this is just the time that people didn't actually fall by their manipulation like releasing the fud dogs that would eventually make the bitcoin market drop or suddenly. Surprisingly, it didn't since people nowadays probably learn their lesson from the past.

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Quote from: ranochigo on December 31, 2021, 11:06:25 PM

Your exchanges. The nature of Bitcoin makes exchanges loosely regulated and that there isn't proper regulations in several jurisdictions. There has been cases of exchanges intentionally influencing Bitcoin's price (MtGox), not that there is really any concurrent manipulation but that isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

I don't think the bitcoin market can regulate it, let alone control it. the bitcoin market can only follow the rhythm of online media which is often done by certain people, be it negative or positive media so that the market often changes due to these issues.

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Quote from: panukurap on January 01, 2022, 09:34:03 AM

It is very difficult to predict the market or even impossible, but at least we have an effort to do it just in case. Or it could be that the analysis we are doing is correct but the probability is small. This is already known to many people but there are still many who are members of it. This shows that there is still a positive side that can be taken, without negative things there will be no positive things and vice versa. Therefore we must be able to make the best use of time and circumstances.

Well, it all has the effort as we take time on it but the question is how close it was to the reality? Coz, I don't think so.
I'm not actually to put blame everything on whales who are suspected to be the one who controls or manipulate the market. That possible be one factor but seeing many instances that the market moves unpredictably, I simply do not.
Apparently, we are aware of the situation that manipulation can be happening in the market at any time. And even the weak hands who pull the trigger for the price to dump is also a big factor, not just anyone who has the influence.

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It is very difficult to predict the market or even impossible, but at least we have an effort to do it just in case. Or it could be that the analysis we are doing is correct but the probability is small. This is already known to many people but there are still many who are members of it. This shows that there is still a positive side that can be taken, without negative things there will be no positive things and vice versa. Therefore we must be able to make the best use of time and circumstances.

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Your exchanges. The nature of Bitcoin makes exchanges loosely regulated and that there isn't proper regulations in several jurisdictions. There has been cases of exchanges intentionally influencing Bitcoin's price (MtGox), not that there is really any concurrent manipulation but that isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

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Actually bitcoin being a free market I don’t think anyone can control it so easily. What I mean is to control the bitcoin one would need huge impact on the society first, and secondly one would need billions of dollars to invest and manipulate (pump method). The second one is straight away not possible as after putting that much money too no one can get any spark in the bitcoin movement. The reason is very simple, bitcoin market is over trillions of dollars thus has no impact. The first reason keeps happening but at lower pace and now a days peeps are very smart enough to not get influenced by anything that come there way. So ultimately controlling is difficult. It’s just go with the flow coin now.

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Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

According to on chain metrics, the exchanges are the biggest holders they have a lot of Power IMO

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Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.

You are correct. No one can "accurately" predict the market. and yep, they are waiting for the price to go down. But for that they don't have to predict anything, they just wait for it to dip and then invest (and most of the people belonging to that group regrets a lot).

Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

Now is the market been manipulated?

There is no market in the world that isn't manipulated. The same goes for the bitcoin and crypto currency market. It gets manipulated too. FUDs are spread throughout the community to cause the price to crash. Whales try to manipulate the market. But all these doesn't have a long term affect on the price. The price eventually recovers and gets back in track within short period of time. As more people starts to use bitcoin and it becomes mainstream, it would become more harder for the market to manipulate.

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Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Initially, I believed that the price of BTC was driven by demand, but over the past few years I have seen that the price of BTC is being manipulated. Who is doing this? First of all, these are large crypto exchanges and funds. I also believe that they do this not of their own free will, but on instructions, but who exactly gives such instructions I cannot say because I don’t know. And it is clear that this information is closed and hardly anyone can know 100% who is the customer of the BTC pumps and dumps. In any case, demand no longer affects the price of BTC, since there are off-the-shelf platforms where you can buy BTC at a fixed price, and not at the exchange price, which means someone can buy BTC at a low price, after which there is a custom pump and a profit is made. These are just my guesses, maybe everything works in a completely different way.

For me, no one is capable to control the market, except for those big whales that are holding significant amount of bitcoin as they are always manipulating the market. Also, bitcoin market can be controlled by its own supply and demand. When you see many investors are buying bitcoin, the supply will lessen but will create a higher value for bitcoin. Now, if many will sell bitcoin especially at a bull run, its value is expected to dump a little but definitely recovers after some time.

Yes, big whales are always in a good position to manipulate the market since they are holding a huge amount of bitcoin. But aside from that, there are those sudden news and events that will also control the market and sometimes when its really affected, it creates price dumps. Also, the biggest factor that i think can control the bitcoin market is the law of supply and demand. Usually, if there are significant number of people who will use bitcoin, then it will create a positive price for bitcoin as its massive adoption also increases.

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Quote from: mindrust on December 31, 2021, 01:42:19 PM

Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Whales are moving the markets. There are many early adopters that hold thousands of bitcoins. They can move the markets in whatever direction they want Big exchange owners probably also own many coins. It is the same in other non-crypto markets. Big money eats small money and gets bigger. Small money tries to take a bite from the big whale and every once in a while they get away with it but then the whale opens its mouth wide open and swallows all he small fish around.

That's how it works in every investment/market that exist today not only in Cryptocurrency. However, whales most probably will gain thousands of folds in profit when they successfully manipulate either one of the alts or even Bitcoin than the other investment platform.
Moreover, Bitcoin might not be an easier asset to be manipulated by whales today than most of the alts in the market, that's why most of these influencers and big names in financial industry mostly targeting alts to hype them up to try manipulating the price.

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Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Initially, I believed that the price of BTC was driven by demand, but over the past few years I have seen that the price of BTC is being manipulated. Who is doing this? First of all, these are large crypto exchanges and funds. I also believe that they do this not of their own free will, but on instructions, but who exactly gives such instructions I cannot say because I don’t know. And it is clear that this information is closed and hardly anyone can know 100% who is the customer of the BTC pumps and dumps. In any case, demand no longer affects the price of BTC, since there are off-the-shelf platforms where you can buy BTC at a fixed price, and not at the exchange price, which means someone can buy BTC at a low price, after which there is a custom pump and a profit is made. These are just my guesses, maybe everything works in a completely different way.

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Quote from: mindrust on December 31, 2021, 01:42:19 PM

Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Whales are moving the markets. There are many early adopters that hold thousands of bitcoins. They can move the markets in whatever direction they want Big exchange owners probably also own many coins. It is the same in other non-crypto markets. Big money eats small money and gets bigger. Small money tries to take a bite from the big whale and every once in a while they get away with it but then the whale opens its mouth wide open and swallows all he small fish around.

Whales can move the markets at a certain time when bad or good news rumoring. Otherwise, they don't have much power to control the overall market.

Only supply and demand are the major factors which are lying behind the scene, only supply and demand can move the market in any direction strongly.
Adept can't sell his Bitcoin at unfair pricing, only noobs and miners can do that, When miners have no supply or less supply the price gradually has been grown.
When negative news comes, it makes the market a little uncertain, whales just give a little wind and noobs/miners start selling, the price gradually has been fallen.

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Quote from: Richycryp on December 27, 2021, 08:23:42 AM

People always say that they are are waiting for the price of Bitcoin go down before they go into the market for trading and at the same time nobody can predict the market.
Now is the market been manipulated? Or it all depends on the numbers of investors who invested.
There is something we need to understand about Bitcoin.
The more the demand of Bitcoin the more the increase take place.Can anyone predict the market?
Because people are waiting for the decrease in price and are they predicting the market or not?
I don't think have a better understandingn on how Bitcoins

Whales are moving the markets. There are many early adopters that hold thousands of bitcoins. They can move the markets in whatever direction they want Big exchange owners probably also own many coins. It is the same in other non-crypto markets. Big money eats small money and gets bigger. Small money tries to take a bite from the big whale and every once in a while they get away with it but then the whale opens its mouth wide open and swallows all he small fish around.

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Bitcoin is controlled by china. China is biggest country in the world and there is largest population. China has 4 investors that control 40%+ in Bitcoin.

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Quote from: lalabotax on December 27, 2021, 06:52:52 PM

No people really control the market, but whales or a group of big traders have the power to dump-pump the price. Sometimes the demand can be created by spreading good or bad issues. If people are influenced by the issues, they may be interested to buy more or prefer to hold their capital, depending on what issue it is. Whales or big traders won't do this all the time, that's why I said no people fully control the crypto market.

Whales does have some control over crypto by leveraging the big media to spread some good and bad issues. This will certainly affect the fundamentals that are synchronized with the current market conditions. it is very easy for whales to manipulate the market, because they have a lot of money to do that. never go against the grain, follow the whale and we will be safe.

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Bitcoin market is now a huge financial market and all eyes are on it because of its high volatility. It's easy to make money from a very volatile market, you make money either up or down. I sometimes think there are some level of manipulations, this market is mostly been driven by fundamental analysis, this can render any TA useless. A news become a strong tool of manipulation in the hands of institutions.

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Quote from: Akash1243 on December 28, 2021, 04:08:36 PM

Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

^ Definitely right, as the as other investments when it comes to the market price BTC is also can be manipulated when it comes to the price but if someone who will ask who controlled BTC, there is no single entity who is controlling BTC or even a company behind the BTC because BTC is decentralized and controlled on it. Some reason why whale takes such actions, making fake news that makes traders becomes FUD and FOMO in order to that new investors will be afraid and sell their holding coins that become too lowes the price.

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Bitcoin is decentralized which means no one person or company can control it.Yes, bitcoin can be manipulated by directly or indirectly for example positive or negative news can trigger panic sell or pump, whales also affect bitcoins price like any other investment options.Every investment options can be manipulated. Bitcoin is just too volatile to predict where prices would go.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on December 27, 2021, 03:10:13 PM

Of course, the market is being manipulated, that's what Adam Smith calls the invisible hand of the market

In all seriousness, there are a lot of factors that manipulate the market directly or indirectly. So I'd say that's an integral part of the whole concept. And crypto is no exception. But as for some entity controlling it, that would be impossible due to a multitude of factors that make up the market equasion.

That's my position too if we agree on the accusation of the indirect manipulation of the market. Bitcoin is a decentralised and community driven crypto and what people take to be manipulation is when whales sell off. They say it as if whales should seek anyone's permission before disposing their coins. If whales sell off and micro hodlers decide to go on a panic sale, no one should see that as manipulation or control. Maybe not as direct effect of manipulation. We can take into cognizance the aftermath of their action, even if they decide to rebuy from the crash. That isn't controlling the Bitcoin market at all. I think it should be something along the line of knowing one's business and when to take advantage of it.

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