Topic: Who is really controlling the Bitcoin market. - page 8. (Read 2351 times)

For sure - the biggest holders would hold the biggest market weight compared to other smaller players. That's exactly how it is in crypto as it is with other financial markets. But the point I was trying to make in mye previous posts was that, back in the day we had just a few big guys like Roger ver playing the market game so if there was ever going to be heavy market manipulation, that was the time. Now, alot of firms and big guys have joined the industry so it would take alot more to move the markets compared to the past.

any market that happens will be affected by the biggest holders but the market today is a market that is very likely to experience dumps and pumps faster than in previous years because whales and bears are more numerous and even some companies are playing behind the scenes

There's plenty of market participants these days compared to the early days where just a small fraction of investors and traders had the biggest say on where the next direction of the market would be. Even though there would still be big boys and whales in the market, I suspect that their dominance will keep on reducing as more and more people gets involved with Bitcoin and the crypto space.

Those whales would be always existing whenever or whatever market you've been dealing with which there's nothing we can do because they would really be jumping into something which they could make out  profits

on having those kind of manipulative kind of acts but its somewhat that possible on having  those influence that they could put through on a certain market neither forex or crypto or stocks.
How to deal with them? Better go with the flow and wont be tending on getting against on the trend because you would definitely be losing up money and somehow
letting go with the flow is the hardest thing to be done.

In my opinion, although Bitcoin is impossible to be manipulated, because most Bitcoin holders are composed of retail investors, in terms of congenital conditions, discounted retail investors will follow in the footsteps of some bigwigs, such as the founding of Tesla person.
If he sells a large amount of bitcoin in his hand and sends a tweet during a certain period of time, then you will see that the price of bitcoin will change the next day, which is a disguised manipulation of the market.

There is nothing we can do with those big whales as they will always manipulate the market whenever they want. And as much as possible, the end result will always be for their own advantage, depriving those regular investors from their own chances.

Well, no one can really control the bitcoin market as it cannot be controlled because its decentralized. But, in most of the times, the higher growth of massive adoption  can create positive price for bitcoin. Also, the market trends and sentiments will always affect the price of bitcoin and altcoins in the crypto market.

If that you've said it was fully controlled by whales then it wasn't decentralized anymore. But I guess, not. I tend to agree that whales' participation has a huge influence on the market price, the most common reason for its fluctuation but this never meant they are in the fullest control of the market. They can do things like manipulation as they are incapable of doing it and I understand that, and it is sad to say that we are not at the level where the market is 100% decentralized now, not anymore. And besides, when talking about anonymity, we are also breaching it closely as major crypto exchanges are into the ask of it.

I believe the market is controlled by whales, as they're the ones who can do almost anything with their large stake of coins. With Bitcoin, centralized exchanges can easily manipulate the price as they control a large portion of its supply. The situation is even worse with Proof-of-stake altcoins, as not only the price can be manipulated by whales, by also the underlying blockchain network. It's all about money these days, so those with the most amount of money will be able to move the market in their favor. Consider how Dogecoin went to the moon because of Elon Musk's shilling across social media platforms. The same happens with Bitcoin and any other cryptocurrency on the market.

It's not a matter of who's controlling the market, but rather how decentralized Bitcoin is. As long as Bitcoin remains decentralized and censorship-resistant, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts

the only one that can control the market are those who have big capital or known as whales and they are the main reason why the growth rate suddenly change and chart becomes very hard to analyse.. So if you don't have enough information how to identify them when it comes trading surely you will end losses always. That's why its always recommended to study the market first before doing anything because you cannot protect your capital when those whales is very active in the market. Knowledge is a must so better educate your self more.

You are right, in fact the whales are responsible for doing the things that in the market can flow as they want, the majority of whales are people who know the heads of the news, of many news networks, and for them to ask a favor that speak well or badly of BTC is something that is nothing, so that is a form of manipulation, because most people see news and are aware of what may happen with their money. At the moment there is a huge fundamental, it is the covid-19 and it is one of the most impressive factors that there is so that at any moment it can be used as a fundamental to raise or lower the price.

It's controlled by people like me, crypto is futures, it started as a way to import goods from overseas emerging markets.

Alloowing monoplpization of each sector to Walmart enabled consumers to obtain goods cheaper, utilizing brand recognition, clever marketing we leveraged point of sale, return on revenue, sports,, celebrity endorsement, to counter automation and reinvest the expected dividends through Nasdaq, using the scorp (tax loophole) and tech sector. The meta Data was mined, and piggy backed off tax theft, And other financial gains from less reputable sources. It's there to be stolen, so we can trace it, let the stolen funds mature, and a valuation be realized, then law enforcement can seize the funds and use the proceeds to help offset prison reform. Larger gains were used to invest into emerging markets, the economies that produce and ship the goods. To fill the shelves.. our brands maximized Meta Data, marketing
, Hollywood to counter automation and keeps the global supply chain turning.

Misinformation is what you see because is a Ponzi scheme in a way anything you spend must be matched with capital investment directly derived from Direct Roi. And it's set up to fail, eventually replaced by a more broad global trade system.
That's why we used to have to sucker people in with coins that never go like ripple.

it,s depend on big whale and investor because alot whales have manipulate the whole crypto market.so nobody can tells us that how much they will more go more down as that technical analysis becomes fails of ahead. some time market so silent and there is not not coming volume in market so that is why due to low volume whole slow and steadily down and break all strong support. so after all over the situation big whales has controls the crypto market . that is why  we should be place order according to market trend

Nobody is controlling the Bitcoin market.However,there might be some people and entities,who can influence the price.For instance,the crypto whales and the crypto exchange platforms could pump the price by buying more BTC or creating panic selling by selling some of their BTC.I remember that some crypto exchange platforms were artificially pumping their trading volume.
It's debatable about what impact fake trading volumes had over the BTC price.
There were speculations about Tether being the main reason behind the massive Bitcoin price growth in the last 4 years.This is a subject for another discussion.
Influencing the price doesn't necessarily mean that they have control over the market.
Nobody can predict the price.The traders are just waiting for the right moment to buy the dip or to sell at another ATH.

for now, we have no clue if they are holding btc or not. even if they declare they are out of crypto, we can never tell if they are holding their own stash or not. if you know chinese, then, you understand that what they are saying is not the absolute truth. but right now, i don't think china has something to do with bitcoin market. i am more on the actual demand and supply concept here.
no one can actually control the btc market. or at least single out certain government or individuals that can influence the price movement. it is a combination of so many factors.

I think he means china are really good playing with the sentiment and media, thats how china way to control / manipulate the market , an effort that failed all the time.
it's not always about mathematically controling the market such as having 51% total bitcoin supply , i supposed that what he means.

doing the constant and continuous huge hoax like what china did could be considered as part of what so called controlling the market, besides we never know how much china government holding bitcoin , they are a group of nerd techy guy tho, no wonder we never knew.

at first he managed to manipulate the market in his favor, he made the price increase a lot and then he made the price drop a lot, as he spent a lot of time on twitter this strategy started to become obsolete, people stopped believing in him and as a result he no longer can manipulate the price


OP is talking in terms of manipulating the price, the so called pump and dump

No one can predict it's price, if in the past maybe someone did, then it is just a coincidence I tell you. See how feds are continuously printing money? It is non stop, just this factor alone is a solid proof that BTC will go higher as months and years go by. Another is the 2024 halving is near, 2 years at our current time is like months, times flies so fast you wouldn't even feel a year have passed. Well halving does gives positive impact on BTC's price.
If new comers are waiting for BTC's price to go down then they will have to wait for Satoshi Nakamoto's account of 1 Million BTC to go live and trade those coins, and as far as I know, 13 years have passed and still no news about him being found.

If the manipulation would result in an increase of value, then they do care because they are holding with the goal to see a good price so they can sell. Though we cannot pinpoint who really is manipulating the market, it's very obvious that the whales do manipulate based on the price movement of bitcoin, the high volatility is the living proof that manipulation is happening.

Actually, Bitcoin has no influencers that can manipulate the price. I mean that for example in terms of Ethereum it is Vitalik Buterin who can influence a lot on a Bitcoin's price. Nevertheless, there can be different news that have impact on people so they pump or dump it. Of course, some people will say that Elon Musk manipulates the market, but do strong holders really care about his tweets?

Bitcoin being decentralized is very volatile in nature. Anybody can buy and sell howsoever they want.
The freedom to control your own money was clearly shown since bitcoin was created. So nobody else but all of us are controlling the bitcoin market.
Basically, it depends on us. It depends on how much we buy and sell at a given instance.
But there are some influencers who influence other people to buy and sell their coins which triggers a manipulative market these days.
Over time their influence over people will decrease and the market will mature.