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legendary
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May 13, 2013, 01:35:21 AM
My current theory is this: Satoshi works for some three-letters government agency or massive orgnaization with extremely deep pocket, the reasons are listed below.


1. Intelligence agencies such as NSA are known to employ some of the world's best cryptographists, and the job requires you to consider every possible threat and make things bullet-proof, the kind of meticulousness we saw in the Bitcoin protocol.

2. Satoshi went to such great length to conceal his identity, because if it's made public, he may lose his job. He should have talked to his superiors about what he was doing, and since his pet project involved nothing classified, and even contains something probably useful to the intelligence work, he got a "go ahead", but on the condition that he kept his identity a secret, for obvious reasons. And needless to say, the revelation of his identity would not put Bitcoin in a good light.

3. Since these government agencies are extremely well-funded, they probably would not care too much about if their employers are always hard at work, so Satoshi got plenty of time to pursue his own ventures.

I think he's just a normal guy but with the mind of a genius. He saw bitcoins getting bigger and wanted to distance himself from it and wasn't interested in fame. He didn't want to be the one behind bitcoins, he wanted the community to fill that role which it has.

or rather, he worked under government-funded projects and authority, and his honed skills and expertise through the experience culminated into what Bitcoin is today? maybe he witnessed something that made him realize how badly society needed what he created?
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May 13, 2013, 12:59:37 AM
My current theory is this: Satoshi works for some three-letters government agency or massive orgnaization with extremely deep pocket, the reasons are listed below.


1. Intelligence agencies such as NSA are known to employ some of the world's best cryptographists, and the job requires you to consider every possible threat and make things bullet-proof, the kind of meticulousness we saw in the Bitcoin protocol.

2. Satoshi went to such great length to conceal his identity, because if it's made public, he may lose his job. He should have talked to his superiors about what he was doing, and since his pet project involved nothing classified, and even contains something probably useful to the intelligence work, he got a "go ahead", but on the condition that he kept his identity a secret, for obvious reasons. And needless to say, the revelation of his identity would not put Bitcoin in a good light.

3. Since these government agencies are extremely well-funded, they probably would not care too much about if their employers are always hard at work, so Satoshi got plenty of time to pursue his own ventures.

I think he's just a normal guy but with the mind of a genius. He saw bitcoins getting bigger and wanted to distance himself from it and wasn't interested in fame. He didn't want to be the one behind bitcoins, he wanted the community to fill that role which it has.
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May 12, 2013, 08:55:05 PM
My current theory is this: Satoshi works for some three-letters government agency or massive orgnaization with extremely deep pocket, the reasons are listed below.


1. Intelligence agencies such as NSA are known to employ some of the world's best cryptographists, and the job requires you to consider every possible threat and make things bullet-proof, the kind of meticulousness we saw in the Bitcoin protocol.

2. Satoshi went to such great length to conceal his identity, because if it's made public, he may lose his job. He should have talked to his superiors about what he was doing, and since his pet project involved nothing classified, and even contains something probably useful to the intelligence work, he got a "go ahead", but on the condition that he kept his identity a secret, for obvious reasons. And needless to say, the revelation of his identity would not put Bitcoin in a good light.

3. Since these government agencies are extremely well-funded, they probably would not care too much about if their employers are always hard at work, so Satoshi got plenty of time to pursue his own ventures.
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May 12, 2013, 08:43:01 PM

I would say with the kind of amazingly controlled manner/character/style Satoshi displayed, and the meticulousness of his design, I doubt he is someone careless enough to have lost all his wallet data if he had wished to make a fortune out of it. Maybe he just didn't care enough about the wealth or he was worried that greed may get hold of him, which impacts his neutrality, so he willfully wiped out all the wallet data.

Yes.  These are also possible.
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May 12, 2013, 08:39:57 PM
Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet


Nah, it's a lot easier than that for him to prove it was him. He would just sign a message with his PGP key and that would confirm it.

GPG sig is not proof.

He's fairly recognizable by his writing style and knowledge.  People of Satoshi's genius only come along a few times a generation.

And he still probably knows more about bitcoin than anyone else.

He's either hiding, or was made an offer he could not refuse.

No.

1. Key signing is the closest there is to unimpeachable proof.  That's what it's for.

2. Writing style and knowledge are no more evidence than any other quasi-scientific metric:  galvanic lie-detectors, for example.  Writing style can be faked.  Easily.  There is software that will check your fakery for you.

3. Satoshi manifestly does not know more about bitcoin than anyone else.  At the moment, the person who does would be Gavin.  Satoshi hasn't touched the code for over two years.  Please...

4. There are any number of explanations for why Satoshi left, and for what he is doing right now.  And why.  'Hiding' and 'made an offer he couldn't refuse' are the stuff of wild conspiracies.  Maybe he has a sense of humor?  Or perhaps he's just waiting to cash out responsibly without damaging the value too badly?

4b. What about this:  what if his hard drive totally crashed and the dog ate his paper backups?  What if he lost every bitcoin he ever mined, and is more fucking embarrassed than any human in all of history has ever been?

I would say with the kind of amazingly controlled manner/character/style Satoshi displayed, and the meticulousness of his design, I doubt he is someone careless enough to have lost all his wallet data if he had wished to make a fortune out of it. Maybe he just didn't care enough about the wealth or he was worried that greed may get hold of him, which impacts his neutrality, so he willfully wiped out all the wallet data.
legendary
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May 12, 2013, 06:55:25 PM
* a group of people

I doubt this ... if you've read through the entire thread of posts by satoshi on this forum there seems very little space for a team of people communicating through one poster .... although he is prolific  Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satoshi-3
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May 12, 2013, 05:49:21 PM
* a group of people
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May 12, 2013, 04:45:48 PM
What if he's dead?
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May 12, 2013, 04:29:33 PM
Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet


Nah, it's a lot easier than that for him to prove it was him. He would just sign a message with his PGP key and that would confirm it.

GPG sig is not proof.

He's fairly recognizable by his writing style and knowledge.  People of Satoshi's genius only come along a few times a generation.

And he still probably knows more about bitcoin than anyone else.

He's either hiding, or was made an offer he could not refuse.

No.

1. Key signing is the closest there is to unimpeachable proof.  That's what it's for.

2. Writing style and knowledge are no more evidence than any other quasi-scientific metric:  galvanic lie-detectors, for example.  Writing style can be faked.  Easily.  There is software that will check your fakery for you.

3. Satoshi manifestly does not know more about bitcoin than anyone else.  At the moment, the person who does would be Gavin.  Satoshi hasn't touched the code for over two years.  Please...

4. There are any number of explanations for why Satoshi left, and for what he is doing right now.  And why.  'Hiding' and 'made an offer he couldn't refuse' are the stuff of wild conspiracies.  Maybe he has a sense of humor?  Or perhaps he's just waiting to cash out responsibly without damaging the value too badly?

4b. What about this:  what if his hard drive totally crashed and the dog ate his paper backups?  What if he lost every bitcoin he ever mined, and is more fucking embarrassed than any human in all of history has ever been?
legendary
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May 12, 2013, 03:40:11 PM
Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet


Nah, it's a lot easier than that for him to prove it was him. He would just sign a message with his PGP key and that would confirm it.

GPG sig is not proof.

He's fairly recognizable by his writing style and knowledge.  People of Satoshi's genius only come along a few times a generation.

And he still probably knows more about bitcoin than anyone else.

He's either hiding, or was made an offer he could not refuse.

Well said, my friend.

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legendary
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May 12, 2013, 03:33:17 PM
I just wonder what he could possibly be working on now...
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April 28, 2013, 09:40:53 AM
Satoshi will never come forward. He has absolutely no incentive and incentives to keep himself anonymous. First, there are legal concerns with his creation that are both complex and difficult to manage. Second, it would hurt the bitcoin by attaching a face to something that shouldn't have one. Third, it would fracture the community into pro-satoshi and anti-satoshi people.

It won't happen guys

Satoshi Nakamoto = Sat.N = Satan.  Cool

Keep playing with those letters.  If there's one thing that mathematicians love more than crypto, it's anagrams and wordplays Wink
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April 28, 2013, 09:38:56 AM
Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet


Nah, it's a lot easier than that for him to prove it was him. He would just sign a message with his PGP key and that would confirm it.

GPG sig is not proof.

He's fairly recognizable by his writing style and knowledge.  People of Satoshi's genius only come along a few times a generation.

And he still probably knows more about bitcoin than anyone else.

He's either hiding, or was made an offer he could not refuse.
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April 25, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
It the guy does not want to be famous, he is smart enough to hide.....
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Finding Satoshi
April 22, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
Satoshi will never come forward. He has absolutely no incentive and incentives to keep himself anonymous. First, there are legal concerns with his creation that are both complex and difficult to manage. Second, it would hurt the bitcoin by attaching a face to something that shouldn't have one. Third, it would fracture the community into pro-satoshi and anti-satoshi people.

It won't happen guys

Satoshi Nakamoto = Sat.N = Satan.  Cool
legendary
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April 22, 2013, 02:20:02 PM
Satoshi will never come forward. He has absolutely no incentive and incentives to keep himself anonymous. First, there are legal concerns with his creation that are both complex and difficult to manage. Second, it would hurt the bitcoin by attaching a face to something that shouldn't have one. Third, it would fracture the community into pro-satoshi and anti-satoshi people.

It won't happen guys
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April 22, 2013, 10:22:20 AM
But the person who designed Bitcoin didn't just pull it out of his ass...
He must of designed something serious in the Real World previously...
And made a lot of mistakes, etc...

I'm a software engineer whose run a business for 15 years.

My point is that Bitcoin was not only brilliant and new technologically...
It was even MORE brilliant as a very devious, Ponzi-like business idea...
The way All Roads Lead To First Adopters Getting Rich.

A business novice could not design Bitcoin.

If "no one" knows who Satoshi is...
Then that is actually scary...
Because then you have to seriously consider "conspiracy" things...
Like the NSA floating this as an experiment that caught fire...
The NSA has more talent than Google or some "grad school".



i found out about bitcoin in 2009 so far i made 2000+ coins.
ist just true who early joined in/mined made good.
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April 22, 2013, 10:17:07 AM
But the person who designed Bitcoin didn't just pull it out of his ass...
He must of designed something serious in the Real World previously...
And made a lot of mistakes, etc...

I'm a software engineer whose run a business for 15 years.

My point is that Bitcoin was not only brilliant and new technologically...
It was even MORE brilliant as a very devious, Ponzi-like business idea...
The way All Roads Lead To First Adopters Getting Rich.

A business novice could not design Bitcoin.

If "no one" knows who Satoshi is...
Then that is actually scary...
Because then you have to seriously consider "conspiracy" things...
Like the NSA floating this as an experiment that caught fire...
The NSA has more talent than Google or some "grad school".
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